Originally posted by Rpro

 

Originally posted by Netspook

 

Originally posted by Rpro

And when you get to 75 and start to merit, if there' a paladin and a ninja seeking, the ninja will get the invite 99% of the time. 

 

Nope. Doesn't quite add up with my experiences. People I've been meriting with, seems to just choose any of those, and a little majority has seemed to prefer PAL. Imo, both jobs works great at any lvl.

(For those who don't understand merits: "exp" parties when you are at max lvl, to earn points to increase stats)

About the SAM comments:

As a WHM I really hate having a SAM in the party. The reason is simple. Far too often they pull hate away from the tank, and they always take more damage than the tank. More healing = more mp consumption = more downtime. As WHM, I don't join parties anymore, if they have a SAM as main tank. In such parties it's common with full mp rests after each and every battle, which of course means damn slow progress.

Ninjas are not just tanks, they are decent DD as well. A good merit pt will invite a ninja as tank anyday before a PLD. Of course pld can fill the role too. But the fact that merit mobs die in 20secs kinda make pld tanks obsolete in merit pts.

 

Nin = decent DD

Pld = Below avg DD

I've merited a ton and have prob partied with 1 pld for every 30 merit pts i get into. It's either a ninja tank or multiple warriors(subbing nin of course) bouncing hate.

 

That's the thing, a lot of jobs get left behind when it comes to merit parties. So, the whole tank thing goes out the window anyway. Since all they want are DMG with /NIN, RDM,  and possibly a WHM, any other job just slows them down. As a BLM, I stopped getting invites after 71 and my wife who leveled BRD with me of course would almost always get melee burn invites. She of course had to turn them down cause, why would they want a stupid BLM? That would certainly only slow them down. Of course they're needed for endgame stuff, but they can just solo their 75 and merits before they can do that, since they cause too much downtime right?

NIN is a great DD, but I don't want a DD, I want a tank. I'll take my PLD.

Good to see you're enjoying it. Happy Adventuring!

You're gonna have to buy it. Although, they sell the bundle with FFXI and all the expansions for 20 bucks. I had to get that after I lost my manual that had the key codes for my original box for XI.

Originally posted by Rpro

 

Originally posted by WSIMike

 

Originally posted by Rpro

Originally posted by WSIMike

 

Originally posted by Rpro

Originally posted by WSIMike

 

Originally posted by Darkseth12

is Ninja good cause i heard that they suck

 

Ninjas are very good - esp. when played well. They're one of the more "busy" jobs in a battle - especially when tanking, what with having to keep blink up, enfeebling, etc. etc..

After a certain point, around level 50, they're not as effective as tanks. But I certainly wouldn't say they suck.

I'm curious why you think ninjas aren't as effective as tanks past level 50. A lousy ninja is just a horrible tank. But there's nothing better than a ninja that knows what he's doing and does it good. From level 37-75 a skilled ninja will tank better than a skilled paladin. Paladins have been getting a lot of buffs because of it, but ninjas are still better. Paladins do have the advantage of better hate control though, and that's where thieves help ninja tanks a lot.

 

Well the context of the conversation had been about tanks.. or at least part of it... so I was speaking in that context.

But to be clear, a good Ninja is always a good Ninja. However, after 50 or so, they seem to lose their efficacy as tanks.

 

Give me a good ninja from 37-75 over a good paladin any day. Most people would agree.

 

Well, your first statement is fine - your personal opinion/preference. I personally don't care which they are, as long as they're playing their job well. I don't get hung up on "what's the best party setup", because I've been in parties with very unconventional setups that have racked in xp faster than the "standard" ones I've been in.

Your second statement, though, is a generalization.

Most people I've met in the dunes lately would also agree that you need a powerleveler to get through the Dunes and Qufim and the Jungles even Garlaige - some to the point that they wouldn't pull a single mob unless/until a PL arrived. Fact is, you don't need a PL, ever, in this game... and never have.

Most people believed for a long time that Monk was a useless job - it isn't.

Hell.. most people believe NIN is intended to be a tank - by SE's own say-so, it isn't. NIN tanking is something created entirely by the players.

Most people believe SAM wasn't designed to be a tank - by SE's own say-so, it was. I guess a SAM's ability to take hate so easily wasn't an accident.

Point is... what most people believe has turned out to be wrong in the past, so saying "most people would agree" isn't necessarily saying much. Especially when, in my experience, many of  those "most people" I've asked why they thought that way couldn't give me an informed answer - they're just repeating what they read/heard.

 And by the by... I've heard and read many times that post 50, NIN aren't as useful a tank... they would certainly disagree with you. So what does that mean? They have a different opinion and have probably had better experiences with PALs post-50 than they did NINs; the experience(s) have formed their opinion.

My experience is both NIN and PAL are good tanks if played well, however, NINs I've partied with seemed to have a harder time keeping hate post-50 than the PALs I've pt'd with.

 

 

 

This is the first time I've ever read or heard of someone saying ninja tanks aren't as useful post 50. Myself being a 75 NIN, WHM, RDM, WAR, RNG and many other jobs past 50 I can tell you, that saying ninjas get less effective past 50, is flat out wrong.

 

Yes, SE has said that ninja's weren't designed to be tanks, but that was a long time ago. SE has since embraced the idea that ninja's are considered tanks by the population. They have been given alot enmity+ gear over the years to help them hold hate better, as well as a few nerfs to help lower their 'awesomness'  IE: Utsusemi nerf, Enmity loss when mob takes a shadow etc...

If you've partied with mainly lousy ninjas post  50, then i can see why you'd think paladins are better, and why you'd have this opinion. But there's no basis to saying they lose their effectiveness 50+.

And when you get to 75 and start to merit, if there' a paladin and a ninja seeking, the ninja will get the invite 99% of the time.

 

This'll be the second time you see it then. I prefer PLD to NIN, any day.

Originally posted by Lexington

Its graphics are defintly Top Notch, but Its been out since 2003 , honestly whenever i get on it now, its mostly a dead game, anyone who still does play has a maxed level character.  I dont recommend getting this if you havnt yet.  Becuase everyone has a high level character(mostly maxed), youll spend hours trying to find your first exp party.  as you get higher in level, youll spend more hours trying to find a party. dont play it dude, im sorry, it was a great game when it came out, but now it sucks.

I don't see any problems with the server I'm on. I see plenty of new people running around leveling up when I'm fishing. It's still a good game and plenty of people still play it. You do not need a maxed character to enjoy the game and get parties. If that were the case, how  would anyone be able to level another job?  It's still a good game.

Elvaan arms are sexy, just like everything else they do. But yeah, the arms stay that way. Basically I guess it's so that they just aren't Humes with pointy ears.

Yes, WAR are tanks, and also damage dealers. You tank more in the earlier levels. Then basically it's all damage dealing from then on. WAR's are a very versatile job. I'm on Kujata, which has a little bit of everything when it comes to nationality.

Nope, shouldn't be a problem to use the same card for different accounts. My wife and I have it that way.

Yep.

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For fishing, just buy a rod and some little worms for bait. Cast your line and fish moat carps. They are the great for selling. You will also catch other fish that will skill up your fishing skill. So, you can level fishing quite high just from a starting city.

I guess you could say that race matters to a certain degree. But when I started XI, I picked an Elvaan and picked Black Mage as it's job. Little did I know that it was one of the worst choices I could have made. That didn't stop me from leveling it anyway. I probably would have regretted remaking a Hume or something just so my stats would be better suited for that job.  If that's how you like to be. Then by all means, go ahead.

Originally posted by deshment

ok with this game IMO all you do is lvl in groups until your lvl 75 somtimes you do quest to get a cool item or skill but then you back to lvling and once you hit 75 you go and fight gods and end games mobs to get items to sell so you can eventually after years of work end up with a 20mil item that makes you look awsome but then what... uh  you change jobs and lvl to 75 killing the exact same mobs you killed before. its very repetitive and the sole purpose is getting the best items and highest lvl there isnt a very good story line and if you try to explore you will die but... i love this game and cant stop playing

I resent the part about the story. It's got a good story! Well, it has more than one. It is about looking cool of course. You don't need to spend your life savings to look cool though. I don't even play end game and I have fun with it still. It is a great game though.

With crafting, you could make that your career if you felt like it. Instead of leveling a job. If you are smart and do your homework, it's not really that expensive to level the different crafts. Fishing, although a craft. It's kind of it's own thing. But, it's definitely the cheapest to level and easiest to make money off of.

Originally posted by Netspook

 

Originally posted by Satimasu

 

Originally posted by Netspook

 

Originally posted by Satimasu

 Race never matters. You can make any job work with any race.

 

Wrong.

The second sentense isn't completely wrong, but race DO matter.

OP, if you wanna have a mix of different types of jobs (melee, mages, etc), play as Hume, or Elvaan as second choice. Humes are not best in anything, it's the "average in everything" race. If you wanna play any mage jobs, don't roll as Galka.

 

The player matters. Not the race. Using a race that has weaknesses in that job just means, that it takes more skill. Elvaan are basically the worst choice for Black Mages. Somehow, I have it at max level. Their lake of MP can make them difficult to use in mage jobs. But that doesn't mean you should go to another race to suit your job. You will be leveling more than one job. You pick what race you like best. Not by stats. It's you that has to look at that character all the time.

 

Quote from http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Races :

If you want to be the strongest melee and plan to stack Strength gear you'd choose Elvaan. If you want the most intelligence and largest MP pool for your black mage, choose Tarutaru. Finally, if you want the most rounded stats because you plan on leveling several different types jobs, Hume is a good choice.

Race does matter - period! It can be argued how much it matters, but saying it doesn't matter at all, is a pure lie, nothing less.

Originally posted by Netspook

 

Originally posted by Satimasu

 Race never matters. You can make any job work with any race.

 

Wrong.

The second sentense isn't completely wrong, but race DO matter.

OP, if you wanna have a mix of different types of jobs (melee, mages, etc), play as Hume, or Elvaan as second choice. Humes are not best in anything, it's the "average in everything" race. If you wanna play any mage jobs, don't roll as Galka.

The player matters. Not the race. Using a race that has weaknesses in that job just means, that it takes more skill. Elvaan are basically the worst choice for Black Mages. Somehow, I have it at max level. Their lake of MP can make them difficult to use in mage jobs. But that doesn't mean you should go to another race to suit your job. You will be leveling more than one job. You pick what race you like best. Not by stats. It's you that has to look at that character all the time.

Originally posted by Daedalus732

 

Originally posted by PkhBasko

So how exactly do the sub job work?

 

When you get to level 20, you are eligible for the sub-job quest. Sub-jobs let you pick a second job that's one-half your main job level.

For example, a 20 Black mange can have a level 10 White mage at maximum.

I would recommend playing as a White mage though. Every group needs white mages.

Actually, it's 18 for the subjob quest. Level 20 is for the chocobo quest.

Race never matters. You can make any job work with any race.

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Now you're just provoking him. I myself don't see how it's shady. If you ran a business, and someone who isn't paying for the space they are taking up. If you let them know that , before they started taking up your space, that they could clear out that space. Anyway, if you're gonna, just take it to PM's. It's not even fun to read anymore.

Originally posted by ASmith84

if your not having fun in 5minutes why should you continue to play? why couldnt they make the whole game fun instead of when you hit max lvl or whatever?

i didnt want to have to do this but heres the more in depth reason of why i dont like this game.

looks boring.  if the characters themselves look bored why should you care? when a warrior swings his sword he looks bored out of his mind and his swing is all sloppy.

slow combat.  its too slow for me.  it takes 5 seconds to swing a weapon. 

lifesucker.  just hearing how long it takes to do stuff in this game makes me not want to play. i met someone who played this game for awhile and after hearing how you get a summon or whatever i just wanted to forget this game existed.  i dont want to spend that long just to get one summon. 

boring races.  they used elves.  EVERYONE uses elves. the little guys look retarded. the big one looks like a weird ape. the cat thing is only female. they should of  made moogles playable.  that would of been cool.

should of made it in ilvalice.  that would of been alot better.  plus it would have better races to. viera, seeq, bangaa, how cool would it be to be them?

i could talk about it more but im tired.