Originally posted by HardcoreHero

The only people who say this didn't get a preorder.  Cry more?

I would call this the most competitive preorder of all time.

Yeah most 'hardcore' you gota lolz when not only is the game better 'played' by macro but so is navigating the order server.

You must have forgoten D&L SoG then? Far more competative.

Originally posted by Synika

... but leave off on the incorrect and outright dumb comparisons with bloody Roma Victor.

 

Could have been worse he could have compared them to Farlan/NP3 and Dark and Light (as some are). Actually though they are a ways ahead of D&L as it was when SoG was released there are similarities.

Originally posted by GeniusSage

I've played the game since Nov 2008. I absolutely love it, and already have some hilarious memories that I won't soon forget. I agree it isn't a highly polished game, but I'd MUCH rather play Darkfall than yet another clone MMO. I'm very happy an indie developer like Aventurine have put everything they've got into creating a game that they would like to see on the market. It's a pretty brave thing to do. They may not live up to the standards of the hordes of console-kids and MMO'ers introduced to the genre through WoW, but there is an active school of gamers that enjoy dog-eat-dog gaming environments and freedom, with very little care for absolute perfection. I fall into this school, and make no apologies for it.

Critisism of the game is always welcome, as long as it's constructive. I just find it a tad frustrating that so many MMORPG.com users seem to have nothing better to do than attempt to put the game down in every way they can possibly think of. I'm just assuming it's some form pent-up frustration from real-life social shortfalling.

My advice would be to sit back, relax, and go into the game with an open mind. If you have fun, then great. If not, then you can easily cancel your subscription and never play again.

Nice post. Rare to get a genuine fan's view rather than a vapid fanbois. I am certainly not a console kid (though of course have played the 'classics') but despite really really liking what DF stood for and what there mandate was I feel they have come up short.........so far at least.

It  is just kind of a shopping list of features. Some are on back order some things have been substituded and some are just plain out of stock. Thats not the issue.... a basket of ingriedients is not a meal let alone a gourmet meal. It takes more than a bunch of good ideas to make a good game. It takes real flair to take any ideas and design a game from them. Gameplay in DF can be fun but all those skills don't dovetail into a really well designed game experience. They have made some pretty naive mistakes too....I'd say at any time over half the players online are afk macroing, probabbly more.

I dunno it just dosent have charm, a soul if you like. If you are happy to macro to get you skills...city...xxxx (fill in any blank you like for xxx) and then play a few hours as if the world is a big arena ....well great. It's just for there to be consequences things have to matter. To have meaningful  choices doing things differently has to have differentg outcomes. I suppose 'shall I macro gathering or LM' is a choice of sorts.

Sad really = however Fallen Earth & Earthrise both potentially might offer that really beautifully designed and crafted game. 

Originally posted by Blindchance

I suppose on the same machine they used before they rented a cluster in Germany for the beta server.

That dosen't bode well I would guss they managed to keep those servers yp what an average of about 4 hours a day over the last month? I kind of assumed it was because they where doing internal tests and development on them. If that was not the case.....well oh dear.

Originally posted by jimsmith08

Originally posted by Gorilla

  protip 11 - remember it is best to macro in an enemy or deep red camp. Raising defensive skills is tough unless kindly players beat on you for macroing!

 

Simply find a leafblade equipped friend and vanish off into a quiet corner for some macro swing fun! boost your defensive skill the easy way. Make sure to have your own macro set to heal self and pots just incase you are unlucky enough to die.

Im afraid youre going to get eaten alive with such a lack of professionalism,Gorilla.

I prefer my way as it does not rely on a friends macros being up to snuff.  You will die many times whilst macroing that is also the quick way to get your mana back newb!! and I am certainly not going to multibox this &^^%$££@ (though no doubt some will).

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by Gorilla

 I wonder whether they will be able to keep the severs up for longer than they did in beta? Guess we'll find out shortly.

they kept server sup at times for 6-12 horus straight easy... most times the devs tookt he server down it was jsut there way of patching and fixing things

Yes they did though 2-4 hours was more common. Lets hope they have a whole new cluster for launch as they will not have the luxury of being able to test on production servers once they go live. Of course they didn't have 10k concurrent but thats anther issue. 

  protip 11 - remember it is best to macro in an enemy or deep red camp. Raising defensive skills is tough unless kindly players beat on you for macroing!

Originally posted by bongloads

 Texures, Clip Range, and Antialiasing are all Low, Low, and Off during the debug beta.

 

All of these "darkfall graphics vs. cookie-cutter-game graphics" are retarded.

Oh and are they going to upgrade that Hexen texture pack too?

Originally posted by bongloads

 

Texures, Clip Range, and Antialiasing are all Low, Low, and Off during the debug beta.

 

 Be intresting if  a) they get turned on tonight and b) how much performance goes through the floor.

 Actually my concern is they only have one cluster (which is why it was down or admin only for the most part of the last month). I wonder how running live will effect there development cycle?

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by Polarization

Is the gap in the walls so you can park your hover tanks?

Seriously though, that must of been an atrocious grind to get the resources to build, how many full time macro'ers does this guild have?

I suppose it does not bother anyone that the first player built city with walls and a harbor is only being tested by a few players a few days before launch, I'm sure that will work out well.

most of us just used something too click for us and we stayed on the pcs tho

That's one of the many problems I have with the game. At least make it hard to macro to deter all the script kiidies. Whats the point of having mad scripting skilz if any dimwit can come up eith a clicker.

None of the game systems are anything but trivial to macro (including combat actually).  24/7 macroed clicking does not a fun game make. 

 I, too, have no comment to make.

 Well with WARI applied late (days late) so hit up a couple of fansites. Ended up with keys coming out my arse :D Basically if you wanted a key and where prepared to look they where available. I think it was wireplay who brought an extra 70,000 or so on line at the last minute for any who had been un succesful.

I have never had a problem trying a game since the days of UO & M59. (including Darkfall). Darkfall was clearly luck though.

 Pro tip 6 - Macro - Macro early, macro often, macro everything. That's if you want to have skills comparable to that dog man hitting on you.

Pro tip 8 - 'sploit - The top 'hardcore' guilds are and will continue to you are either agead of the curve or behind it.

Pro tip 8 - Buy a decent hack subscription - You want speed buff so you can run at sprint speeds (or faster) without using stamina. Radar is a nice luxury too.

No - seriously -  get 'geared' up or get ganked.

 I wonder whether they will be able to keep the severs up for longer than they did in beta? Guess we'll find out shortly.

Originally posted by warpp 

Are you deluded or just a rabid fanboy? thoses screens make DF draw distance look pathetic and out of date. If you want the best draw distance then look no further than Vanguard.

 

Ill let the vid do the talking rather than screenshots..

forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m

 Are the two not synonomous? In fact isn't that really what distinguishes a fanboi from a rational human being ?

Originally posted by Gyrus

If enemy players look like ants at 100m then either you have your distances wrong or the scaling is wrong.

Bingo.

Originally posted by Borkotron

Don't be ignorant. None of those games had free trials upon release. NOT A SINGLE ONE. Sure, they might have had trials later on during their release but you're being totally biased here for blaming Darkfall for not having a free trial upon release. I am sure a free trial will come along soon but when demand for the game has already far exceeded expectations, the release of Darkfall will primarily be focused on getting paying customers into the game first. Nobody is forcing you to buy the game upon release. If you don't want to pay, you can wait for a free trial just like you've had to wait for every game you mentioned on your list to also have their own free trial. But, sorry, not a single one had a free trial upon release.

No. But they had an open beta phase pretty much for whoever wanted to participate.

Originally posted by TheHavok

Also to the OP: Dark and Light is the worst rated game on this site.  I know thats not saying much because people like you post on it, but it still means that simple based off of beta player feedback, Darkfall is leaps and bounds above dark and light.

Trouble is that DF shares more with D&L than is dis similar. The main differenceis that DF is technologically more robust however game systems wise it feels similar.

Oh and the fanbois where just as enthusiastic about D&L (more so perhaps) despite having played it. People do bend thier perception of reality so there hopes and dreams are not shattered.

Originally posted by downtoearth

i only macro at my keyboard when i harvest and its just simplified atm so they can get most of thef eatures in im sure improvemeants will be made like the devs have said they will allt hat matters is it works and thats all it counts for

 Actually technology wise they seem to have things reasonably nailed. (Though I suspect when they have 10k concurrent users issues might appear). Looks like they have the 'placeholders' for lots of skills it's just I feel the gameplay needs quite a lot of work. Of course polish and balance are always ongoing but there are levels beyone which you have to say well xxx is functionaly broken. Time will tell.