part of me is glad cryptic is " ignoring" the " fanbase". Perpetual spet an inordinate amount of time trying to pacify whom they thought would in the end play the game and it killed them.  I think in all actuality cryptic is maiing a mistake discussing game mechanics at this point with anyone.  I don't have high hopes  for the game in general but I have a positive vibe given cryptics track record.  As long as ship combat feels  immersive I don't care about the overall  mechanics

there is always going to be somebody who thinks they know what everybody wants out of a mmo.  In the current economic climate and the history of games attached to the trek ip floundering no matter how good they actually are, do you blame cryptic for being somewhat cautious in how far developed the initial release is.  Perpetual spent a butt load of money conceptualizing and building things like ship interiors that in the end they kinda realized noone had all that much interest in if the core of the game was bland.  I just recently installed the ultimate universe mod for star trek legacy, a game which sat on my pc for almost a year gathering dust,  and with just the introduction of new ships and maps and a little graphical tweek it breathed new life into the game, I played it a whole weekend straight.   Cryptic has always been adept at gauging what consumers want.  Just because what they are offering doesn't appeal to a few hardcord fanboys ( and make no mistake I am an avid trek fan) or mmo " professionals" doesn't mean the game itself won't be a success.  It's time that for once the trek community stops taking itself so seriously and allows new blood and ideas into its fold. After all what would tng have become without the borg?  Ds9 without the jem hadar .  I loved gene roddenberrys vision  but even he admitted that no establishment like UFP is without its flaws....so why not explore them and make the world of trek nmore relatable to everyone aside from tech geeks?  Ron Moore did an amazing job turning battlestar galactica from a campy 80's soap opera to a show rooted in relevant issues and relatable stories.  It time someone does something different with the ip not only as a movie but as a game otherwise it's going to die.

what oerplexes me is if you hate the game so much why bother commenting on it at all.  let others learn from their mistakes and let them see supposedly what a bad mmo looks like.  not everybody has the same concept of what a great mmo is thats why there are so many different games. sheesh

not for nothing eve is a lackluster game and I love sci fi and mmos but eve never really captured my interest.  Fantastic econmy and clans aside the game itself is bleh

i think everyone in here needs to get a perspective as to why the world is in the econmic state it is. Everyone was living beyond their means and it caught up to them.  Everyone in america based their livelyhood on inflated home purchases spurned on by laxed finacial regulation and frankly pure ignorance.  The rest of the world jumped on americas insatiable spending and bet their livelyhood on it. Now that we're tightening our belts the rest of the world has a reality check.  Funcom suffered from the same american business idea that you can shovel any kinda crap at someone and they will buy it.  it worls for a while but in the end everyone suffers.  The mmo market will survive the econmic problems in the world.  So will we as gamers. 

yeabelh 3 weeks and the shows over I can't  believe it either and it feels like they are trying to cram way too much into the end of the show I hope they stick to their guns and get us a few dvd movies from bsg like they did with stargate.  Now onto darkfall, what exactly is the hype about this game?  It's another hack slash elf bleh game.  I'd kill for a bsg mmo.  Actually I'm in line for jumpgate and star ttrek :)

if you want a socail mmo in trek clothing make one in secondlife.  honestly the gaming market has changed...people no longer have hours to devote to online game playing and frankly, the days of big guild making are fallin by the side too.  I hate games with huge gaps in xp...noobs being constantly snuffed by " experts".  trek was more about exploring, about ship combat  and just the general air of a sci fi atmosphere.  cryptic is taking a risk even doing a sci fi mmo, how many of them have failed in the last 5 yrs?  Personally, I'm holding my breath till I either get a beta key or trial access to the beta game.  I was one of those people who trashed star trek legacy till I got a better computer, now  I love it.  Only time will tell.

this is  the future of mmos?  i've seen better graphics on ps1 games.....that has to have been the most pathetic looking beta I've ever seen eeks

ok not for nothing yes i was bitter about what soe did with swg, but even I can set aside my vile disdain and actually try to enjoy soemthing. free realms looks like a better  There.com. Even art wise it looks similar. I just want a casual game I don't have to spend hours grinding on...as a 32 yr old full time employee i just don't have the time anymore.  I'm eager to see how this game runs and how fresh they keep it

what i dont understand is why promote a game which will be gutted of its used base once old republic launches..even if old republic looks like a slightly better swg.  the game was a failure from laucnh, both the trek and star wars ip are long in the tooth, both need a 10 yr hiatus.

1.) planetside: as soon as the introdouced that stupid core combat it went to terds

2.) LOTR:  i trialed it for 5 days and cried at its inflexability and stale combat

3>) sta wars: delivering space combat a year after launch didn't hide the obvious lack of dev and interest in soe's part, it was all a test bed for their greed

4.) tabula rasa: do i have to explain

5.) matrix....i'd gather keanu revves tastes better than this mmo

underrated? ur joking right>? there is full of middle aged redneck house wives with nothign better to do than suck up to staff members and spend their husbands well earned money. There sucks

what I find hillarious about the whole tone of this thread is we're bickering over the small variences in games that just rehash the same old sword and sorcery boredom. They just take the genre, throw some spalshy new graphics on it and feed it to the masses ever 2-3 years over and over and people jump.  Frankly there's a total lack of imagination in mmo's as of late, they all seem to try to best something already done.  I trialed lotr and frankly was intensely disappointed.  The combat, the enviroments, the lack of any sense of meaningful direction.  

Witht eh immenent death of trek online I'm left wondering what an american recession is going to do to the mmo landscape

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with this buddy key is there a dl link for the client as well or do I still have to buy the game?

there is not currently compatible with vista...they are working on it, just a word to the wise you may want to make your pc double bootable with winxp since alot of places still have problems  with vista :)

sl suffers greatly from a lack of control of what is created and used in world. sl's vehicles suck, you have to buy alot of scripts to get sl avatars to remorely lookor act human.  There gives you alot more right out of the box, and contrary to what you read here, you don't have to spend a penny in there to have fun....just visit one of the loaners zones where you can borrow a paint gun or vehicle for free.....sl is full of porn and child molesters

just a word to the wise, there has it's faults, it's neighborhood system is bad..and they don't sell the neighborhoods outright, you have to bid on them, the average going price is around 400 us dollars.  Unless you plan on being really agressive courting renters and being inw orld to run events or knwo how to design in gmax to make exclusive content your hood will inevitably fail. The best thing to do in there is just own a there house...they are cheap and very customizable. Also don't waste alot of money in there, the less you spend oddly the better your experience is....and avoid the whole established player clique..they are trouble....especially bluegrasstiggs, zachc, and a few other who post heavily in the forums of that game