All Posts by Mathos

/sign but i turned down the offer of a lifetime sub in swg :) for signing lol

OMG the skys falling lol

cool man enjoy

I payed for new content but then got my money back as it was under handed how it was sold then changed

Originally posted by ummax

Originally posted by depain

The times have changed mate. All of these new games, the popular ones, are pvp centric. The AoC devs even stated that PvP server populations dominate the PvE ones. Moreover, Warhammer is designed around PvP.

Take a look at the WoW crowd; the young dominate the old. PvP is getting bigger and bigger with each MMO, thus, companies would be rather dumb not to include at least 1 server with "real" style PvP. I'm sure they will include the carebear servers (not calling you a carebear).

 

Bioware wants to compete with large entities such as WoW. If they expect players to front a monthly fee, they cannot release anything that is half-assed. It's going to have to have it all: PvE, PvP, & Economy

 

I dont play aoc its wow with pvp.    However if you look at aoc its not doing so well :)

WoW last time I checked had like 75% pve servers and 25% PVP servers or something the fact remains though that the CORE game in WoW is in fact pretty darned consentual and only on the PVP servers can you get the gankfests that are open pvp.     A lot of people hate that inf act more do then dont and times have not changed that much in that more and more casual gamers are coming to the table who have never experienced mmorpg's.   

As I said there will probably be pvp servers but the CORE will be in fact consentual in that you aren't flagged everywhere the moment you enter the game on every server.    Only on a portion of servers will this be turned on.   WoW is in fact a consentual game with pvp servers in the mix.    That is what I would expect to see in KOTOR because the hardcore pvp does nto draw a large audience and they have already placed themselves in the space niche.  It makes little sense to divide that population up further.  I would bet good money on that one. 

I have to agree with this.
 

there are a lot of Raiding guilds in wow and by raiding I'm talking about the end game instances.

If they don't get the sub numbers they want watch out lol.

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

Well I suppose it's important to define which complaints we're talking about.  Here are a few examples:

-you guys marketted profession revamps and then deleted those professions, that's not right;

-you guys marketted features for creature handlers and others in a new expansion, and then deleted those professions, that's not right;

-you didn't tell us about the NGE until after you took our money for the expansion that the NGE then gutted;

-you told us you'd fix collision detection, the day after the NGE went live, and it's still broken;

-you wiped out 2 years worth of your entire playerbase's ingame accomplishments;

-you promised to fast track server mergers, then didn't do it, and now there are still many servers that are virtually dead;

-you took fun things out of the game like camps for no reason, and we'd really appreciate if you put them back.

O.k., there's a list of complaints.  Has anything happened in connection with them?  Well let's look:

-Everyone who paid for the expansion that was then ruined by the NGE surprise was offered a refund.  Nice.

-Some people, myself included, received subscription refunds because we felt misled by SOE and LEC's marketting prior to the NGE.  Also nice.

-People that wanted camps in the game actually got them back.  I'm happy for my friends who still play;

-the NGE scam failed to net a revenue increase, and will therefore not likely be tried by other MMO companies;

-another StarWars MMO is now in development by the company that made Knights of the Old Republic.  This company has the trust and respect of a lot more StarWars fans than SOE.

Are player complaints responsible for all of these developments?  There isn't a yes or no answer to this question.  I believe that player complaints are one factor among many related to these positive outcomes.  If you're mistreated by a service provider, does it make any difference whatsoever to stand up for yourself?  I think the evidence in the case suggests, yes it does.  You won't be the "only reason" that positive change takes place, but your voice can make a difference.

I like to think my 30$ not going to $OE some how makes a difference.

oops was 30$ a month 2 accounts lol.

but soon on my next trial I think my toons are going the way of my wow toons deleted and games disks tossed in the trash where they belong.

if the next one don't get the numbers they want, watch out lol

Originally posted by Jatwhal

 

Well let's blame it on the players, Lucas Arts and accountants. 

 

I honestly have to say that somewhere someone or a group of "non designers" were calling the shots.

Anyone who knows George Lucas' history of his tight grip on everything "Star Wars" (rightly so) can easily understand that he was more than likely "at the helm" of SWG.  

 

SWG started off with some of the greatest MMORPG "minds and talent" in the industry.   If anyone ever read some of their original plans/goals they can see where they completely compromised or had their design compromised after they left.

 

The leaving of these devs and the continual in and out of others makes one think of the possible conflicts that were ongoing with LA.

 

I've played since launch and I could probably find some of the posts from Devs about how rare Jedi were going to be and how hard it was going to be to play them. 

 

Can anyone say character perma-death!!

 

I think some bean counters went onto the SWG forums and without MMORPG game forum experience saw all the "whiners" posts.

 

Anyone who has been around knows game forums attract the whiny people who have more forum time than game time. 

 

I honestly believe that SWG attracted a large portion of Star Wars fans that weren't "gamers".

 

These gamers came to SWG to play Jedi and yes other professions but let's face it the "Master Replicas" is in the lightsaber memorabilia business, WalMart sold tons of lightsabers with the new movies, not blasters and power hammers.

 

Everyone remember "I want Jedi to be rare ,except for my account?"  Sure you do, you all claim to be glorious SWG vets.

 

That post held so true for the SW fans and even some of the gamer "elitists" who relish accomplishments over other players.

 

That was the first pressure from the players base....

 

Most of those posts were about how hard it was to figure out how to become a Jedi. 

Even though all the press had told them it would be hard they still complained and wanted it "rare, except for their account" while the rest of us were ingame working on it.  

 

Shoot, the game population(me included) was so slow that the devs had to give us hints. That was my first clue they were giving into the whiners. 

 

Then when those people got their Jedi they whined about the finality of their characters life. So there went perma death, then visibility, then open pvp!

 

Now who's to blame for that?  Think rationally now.  It started with the player base.  " I want Jedi, Jedi is too hard, stop the forced pvp."  While we "gamers" were in game trying to avoid perma death, visibility, loving the rarity and hardcoreness of our profession those others were the very vocal populace on the SOE forums getting listened to by ???? The devs? Lucas Arts? SOE?   

 

All the press told us what it was going to be like to play a Jedi yet those types got into the game and then flooded the forums till Jedi got nerfed to crap. 

Imagine what this game would be like if just those things had stayed in place with Jedi.  

 

Jedi was designed for the "hardcore" and only the hardcore would have stuck with it. 

 

As for the arguement of timeline- give me a break. First off lose your console mentality.  This is an MMORPG there is no "end game" there is no time "lock".   It's a forward moving world.

 

I once posted to those same whiners, then delete your Jedi if you are so thoroughly convicted to "canon".

Guess how many did?

 

Well somewhere some non gamer geek said all our models from Everquest and Everquest2 show that players like to have things handed to them. WoW's success proves these theories to be true so we need to change SWG to those styles.  

 

Well we all know how wrong they were now. 

It sure did drive subscriptions....away

 

I recently read somewhere on a forum about someone complaining about some game's interface and the reply was "it's the basic WoW interface, the industry standard. It's what all MMORPG's will use.

 

How boring is that?

 

Well I tried to play WoW at launch and 2 more times since. I never lasted more than a couple of weeks. 

 

I'm an mmorpg player, not a "console player online"

 

I've played Ultima online since launch and the only other mmorpg that I've kept playing in 10 years is SWG.    *EQ2 doesn't count since I only play that because my wife likes it* rolleyes:

no offence but it will be the death of all starwars mmo's
 

I my self will not be there as LA will be pulling the strings on it also.

stargate worlds is what im waiting on.

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by Mathos

I'd call it one last grab for cash untill they shut it down, then what are you going to do with your cards lol.

they will be gone.

and your cash. you payed for them.

 

Ah yes, the ever popular "the game is shutting down" reply...

I really dont care what it does as I come back for the trials only.....

at some point all games shut down.....

defend them all you want...... you like the game i do not....................................................

I'd call it one last grab for cash untill they shut it down, then what are you going to do with your cards lol.

they will be gone.

and your cash. you payed for them.

nope

bet they have known for some time and just wanted to milk teh cash as long as they can.

cookie cutter

Originally posted by Tenebroso

/signed in blood

 

i m so tired of these guys complaining and clogging the foruns with their tears and broken dreams. choose another game and move on people!

 

 

 

/Yawn

/wait

/nothing new to see here

/moves on to new posts

Nah they have been droping in to say hi for a long time now lol

As always a great report

Originally posted by Gutboy

So being inaccurate is ok, it's all to just get your warped viewpoint  across. What a joke.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story. Words to live by for some I guess.

Isn't that $OE's Moto Doh my bad

theres is Sell it then change it lol

Originally posted by Raizeen

Originally posted by someforumguy

Yes, dont play. Otherwise we should have to write that the population is rising. Btw, ever heard of a self fullfilling prophecy?

 

 

i would play swg right away if the devs actualy tried fixing ALL of the 100s of bugs that have been in the game without 1 fix for a half of a year but since the devs them self said the game is broken and no plan on fixing whats the point in playing this game anymore

lol in the vet trial i log in and rubber band back to my log in spot for maybe 5 min lol then i can move lol

Originally posted by Gerec

Originally posted by Obraik

It would seem, from an interview with Smed, that Hoth will also bring vehicle combat to SWG after all these years...

I think people have the wrong impression about Star Wars Galaxies. We still have a very active live team. We have a bunch of new content just out, and a bunch of new content in the pipe. Have they talked to you about what's coming? Vehicles in battles on Hoth? It's amazing. It is expansion-pack level content, and it's going to be included for free as part of the release. We could have done a straight-up expansion pack but we decided not to do it that way because of the history with the game and expansions. We want to focus on the content. I think it's a really good game now. We think the content is there, the polish is way up.

The whole (which is kinda short for an interview...) thing is here, http://www.massively.com/2008/07/16/john-smedley-on-star-wars-galaxies-reconnecting-with-players/

 

Did no one else notice that? Seriously?

the NNGE 2 lol

NO way Wait I'll be able to finaly have a night elf in the game LAWL rofl lol lol lol lol lol
 

the most fun for me was the cancel button lol