Originally posted by Angelbound

Basicly I want to know if I have to invest loads of time to enjoy the pve in this game, I understand the dangers of a player killing me while I am trying to enjoy pve, but I cannot find a good mmo with pve anymore, this seems to be my last option, and I love twitch based combat, also is there allot of grouping/pugs in this game? And is the melee and archer visually appealing? From some of the vids the armor and weapons look kind of ugly but I could be wrong of course thanks all.

Fallen Earth is twitch combat, massive open world, predominately PvE.  However lots of PvP if you want

Very good question.  I played the Star Trek Online MMO for about 2 weeks and quit.  It was very pretty and glossy but really just a poor copy of what's gone before. 

I have thought about this a bit as well and wonder if a Star Trek game is possible.  My initial reaction is that EvE Online's persistent world is probably the closest mould I can think of.   Players could play 6 major races (3 aligned on both sides) and basically fight for space, explore and set up stations.  Throw in a lot of missions that allow morale choices e.g. federation player being offered a lot of cash to transport drugs.  

Ships could work the same as they are supposed to be so big and keep the officer slots the same.  

The way it is now, its just a glorified arcade game. 

well I downloaded the EU version of WAR and I thought that restricts me to the EU.

I have now moved to Australia and would like to play in this time zone, so I need to somehow get on this zone.  So do I need to download again or trigger something?

dont care if i lose character, I am only playing free version

dont hate wow, stil have an unopened box i bought 3 years ago. 

play Fallen Earth with a tiny bit of WAR 

No one else play warhammer and move countries before? :/

I am sure this has happened to other people. I have been in the EU for years and recently moved to a new time zone..

(Australia). Can I access the time zone Australia is in and start a new character on their servers? Or do I need to do a new install for the new time zone?

Thanks

To be fair I can imagine the game coming into its own with mass PvP and if a guild was organised you could have some form of strategy.  New patch seems interesting with flight and skaven.  I haven't been on for about 2 weeks now, I will continue to drop in and out but although it seems pretty polished, there is some kind of soul missing for me.  Maybe playing the table top for too long, in a way, has ruined the experience.  In table top if you win you feel like you have really crushed your enemies.  In this game its kinda, death doesnt really matter, winning or losing is only temporary.  Just like most MMO's but some do it a little better.

I can understand why they do it from a technical point of view but I personally hate scenarios.  I tend to play for a day or so to see what its like then don't bother any more.  Every MMO I have ever played with this model fails.  The scenarios are used a lot at the start then end up being a ghost town and only occassionally visited by a noob.  If and I mean only if they incorporated it really well so that it had meaning.  e.g. winner opens up dungeon for their side etc.  Then I may be swayed but the entire time I find myself playing a scenario inside an MMO, all I can think about is, 'why not play a game like Modern Warfare 2 that is specifically built for this? Why suffer sub standard combat with auto aim or whatever when its done a 1000 times better in other genre's.  An MMO needs to be big, little or no instances and actions mean something on a whole.  Not queued up waiting to have a cartoon like whacking fest. 

WAR going same way then?  Looks a little empty and I KNOW Xfire is not guide but its quite ridiculously low.  Something like 2500 hours.

Wow that is really cool.  Going to check that out later at home.  Just thinking that if E&B was out now, they would never cancel it but probably make it go F2P.  EA must know that they could just turn the servers on and they would have 1000's of subs, that would just be the fans going back. 

Some thoughts after trying the game again.

Putting this thread into perspective

• I am a massive table top WAR fan from the very beginning going back to the early 90’s
• I watched and waited for this game to come out and was thinking this is my MMO for life.
• Played from launch day and lasted 2 weeks before cancelling and leaving.

After leaving back then I decided to try out the endless trial.  Some thoughts.

Pro’s

• Before I hated the graphics, not sure if its just smoother/cleaner but it looks pretty polished
• The interface is pretty slick and all the menu options, character sheet etc. Are very well done.
• Less people doing scenarios and more RvR. From what I can see anyway.
• More people in chat, lot of helping and at least conversation. 
• Performance as expected has improved massively.  No issues at all.
• Actually had some kind of fun in RvR

Cons

If I ask myself should I subscribe to the game due to some very cool elements I am not sure there is enough to warrant it for the following reasons.

·         Combat is just so vanilla, it doesn’t require much at all, just push button and you use skill to hit.  I worry about any game where I can just hit 1-3 common skills and pretty much that is combat. 

·         I know there are trees later on but its very rigid on levelling.  I feel like my character is too similar to every other person playing the same kind. 

·         Once again I find myself asking, ‘what is the point?’ Even though I had fun I just wonder how long I can go with a simple combat mechanic and pretty much the rinse and repeat RvR combat.  I just wished back then and I still wish now that WAR added a lot more RPG elements that gave it some depth.  Generally speaking it’s a game that focus’s entirely on combat but the combat is too simple.  It reminds me of a pinball machine.  I really love playing it but how long can I go before I get bored?

Overall I can say that I am not a ‘hater’ anymore.  There are some very slick elements to the game which I saw in other MMO’s and I think did a very good job.  However I am not sure how a person can be subscribed long term with this game as it just seems  a little hollow on ‘point’.  I am going to continue to play the endless trial for short bursts of fun but I still can’t see the value in subscribing.  If it was a D&D type setup then I would play and they may even make a little money out of me.  Plus it would bring in the masses and this game badly needs it. 

Just some of my thoughts.

MMO that was built gradually by players. 

e.g. bare minimum buildings and each race had their own building reconstruction projects going on.  Every single mission, tax paid, death toll, went into rebuilding the race's capital, towns, villages etc.  Enemy races can attack these and destroy the buildings back to the last 'fixed' building point. 

So MMO starts off after a global catastrophe, war, famine whatever.  And the game play is about rebuilding your race.  At each stage the building will show improvements.  (complete building is obviously finished before launch)

Once a building is finished then vendors occupy it and players can use the service etc. 

Missions would be a mix of PvE and also sending out players to destroy enemy cities. 

Clans can dedicate themselves to one of the sides and pitch up a front line piece of land and try and develop their base there.  etc etc etc...

I wish I could have taken out some odds on that result.  Its like betting on Mike Tyson v.s. Britney Spears.  I would put my house on EvE. 

Still I like to watch a slaughter now and then.  STO had so much promise, just look at the instant fan base. I even knew people who don't play MMO's but were going to for STO.  It just turned out to be eye candy in very tight, restrictive space. More like an STO postcard than MMO.  sad. 

I am currently on trial myself but I am not sure of the grind argument.  I just look at DFO as another Oblivion. I just play through what I have to do and the skills gradually creep up.  Not sure the game is best played trying to grind up your skill as fast as possible.  If you think like that then its the same argument with any other MMO if you try and power level through.  People moan about having to kill 1000 mobs to hit level 50 etc.  I thought the whole point of DFO is that you don't have to camp a zone to gring up levels, because there isnt any!

Originally posted by Strap

 

This has been a nice thread to follow. I've just finished my 2 week trial and decided to sub even though I am a carebear at heart.

 

As someone else said if you are tired of the usual MMO fare, then Darkfall may be for you. That has been the case for me. It has put the ZING back into playing. The level of immersion can be seriously heart thumping even when it is just PvE.

 

I managed to escape a ganking tonight, and as a very small victory of sorts it felt damn good. As does getting back to a town safely (as you said Chryses) with a nice pile of loot/resources.

 

I'm a very casual player - in the two week trial I wouldn't have played 12 hours. I lost my newbie protection deliberately so I could try the dungeon below Sanguine. I fear it will be 4-6 months before defending myself leads to victory more often than not. As long as I am having fun in the meantime though, no problem. :)