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Someone apparently can't read. That is that announcement of the PSP2 which is rather just okay. Only thing I thought was cool is it does have quad cores in it. Sadly the store it's going to use isn't going to be fully launched till most likely Q3, same with the PS Phone. Nintendo's 3DS will do fine and I'm not sure why you mentioned the IPhone as they are marketing a different crowd. I'm sure you meant the IPod Touch, which is more of thier gaming platform, but they are in talks about possibly making a console. Sad thing is, just like with Apple and Windows, Apple will always fall off, it's just a matter of when. If you want to talk about gaming on phones, then look toward Andriod and Tegra2-Tegra2.5-Tegra3. All of which blow any Apple GPU out the water. Qualcomm also has a GPU coming out at the end of this year which they say compares to the PS3 graphics wise. OP, before you make titles with a bunch of CAPS, do your homework, it helps.

btw, this does work. cheers!

No reason for a game yet to be released to be on that list. Maybe someone needs to read over the term in the dictionary! :P You can't appreciate something that has no substance, or better yet nobody has played.

You can find your answer here! Also located at the bottom of this site.


Does it meet our requirements?

  1. Make sure that the game isn't already on our list. We know that this sounds simple, but there are a lot of them and sometimes they get overlooked.
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  3. The game must include some form of common area where players can interact with one another inside of the persistent game world. This excludes lobby and chat room based interaction. Exceptions are made where logical (such as sports MMOs) that still fit within the spirit of what an MMO is.
  4. The game must make use of persistent characters. This means that you should be able to log in after logging out and find your character as advanced as you left them (or more).
  5. The game must contain some form of advancement.
how is rift?
General Discussion « Rift
1/03/11 3:14:45 PM
Originally posted by Zekiah
Originally posted by Rabenwolf
Originally posted by kingtommyboy

This thread is only for people who play rift in beta. I've never been a rift fanboy. I also never really followed it. But I'm getting curious about this game when I see the screenshots. So my question is, what is rift like? Is it a good game? Did you liked it while you were playing the beta? What are the pro's and con's? What do you think about the game? Please only answer when you actually played the beta, I want to read real opinions.


Rift is like playing the most sub par and generic mmorpg in existence and having a small twist to give the illusion its deep.

The illusion pays off with its class system. 


Here's what you need to know:


Class System:  It is not a real multi-class system. Very few people actually look at it and see what they did. There are really only 4 independent classes in the game. Each class has 8 skill trees (excluding the pvp tree, which isnt really a full on tree). These trees are called souls to help cover up the fact they are just skill trees. So where WoW has 10 classes and 3 trees per class.... Rift does something similar but changes it to 4 classes with 8 trees, though only 3 trees at any given build. In essence they are not much different. 

Furthermore, Rift's skill trees are not really deep and or varied. Many skills in one tree will be nearly identical to another tree, just with a different name and perhaps different element attached to it. 

In addition to that, 60% of the trees are DPS oriented. Most have dps, but 60% are more "high end" & "constant" dps oriented. 

A developer posted this awhile back in the Beta forums. (NDA has been lifted) It shows the trees and their focus in case anyone wanted to protest my "60% claim". 

So far the over all opinion on the forums is that the trees and classes are way too imbalanced at the moment. Right now theres no reason to not play a cleric who can dish out massive dps, heal, get a pet, tank and be a caster (both aoe, cc and direct damage). Cleric will be the most played class, playing anything else in a PvP and even PvE environment will be silly unless they make changes.


Rifts: Despite what some try to claim, Rifts are not random. Not in the sense you are thinking. They all have the same spawn points. This means Rifts will only appear at pre-set spawn points. Eventually you can start seeing  where they will spawn before hand, and thus make your rounds. Invasions and NPC scouting parties are really just mobs spawned that run along a preset path. Thus you will know where they are going to go, in addition the map tells you where they will go. Kind of defeats the purpose. During rifts, players rush to "tag" as many mobs as possible in order to get the loot and points for the leader board, thus cheapening the effect of "working together."


Quests: Take the word "generic" to a whole new level. They absolutely suck. Even many f2p games have better quests. I had to argue with some numb nut over on the beta forums about this issue. He defended quests as being great because the "quest text box was interesting". He actually tried to call the generic text in the text box as being the quest game play. Quests are a constant Kill 10 wolves, and collect 10 mushrooms.  There is very little scripting at all in the quest system, its as if they just copied and pasted the quests over and over and over and just changed the mob to kill or the item to pick up.  PvE quests are just bad!  To make matters worse, you dont even need the text box as the moment you "accept a quest" from a generic NPC standing in one spot with an little icon above their head, you get a large yellow circle on your map telling you exactly where to go and what to kill. Its a fairly brainless ordeal.


Crafting: So minimal and badly done, it makes WoW's crafting system look genius and deep. The general feedback on the beta forums is that crafting is dumb, boring, and essentially pointless at this point and time. Unless they redesign the entire process, I doubt it will be better later on.


Leveling: You spend more than 1/3 of the entire leveling process in one small linear zone. Yes, over 1/3!  The max level is 55 and you finally leave the starter zone (not tutorial zone) at lvl 20.  Each side will have their linear progression of zones after that. Defiant with the southern zones, Guardians with the northern zones, and the contested zones around Port Scion which is in the very middle.


Dungeons: Not nearly as well made as dungeons found in other games. They are mostly uninspired, pointlessly hard generic npcs. Very little is done in the way of scripting.  Currently if you die on a generically placed boss after a tunnel filled with elite mobs just standing around, you can rez and come back to the boss and their damage taken will still be the same. There is no real penalty right now for dying in a dungeon. 


Conclusion & Final Thoughts: After playing in all 3 beta events as well as being present at their E3 booth and seeing it first hand.... I find the game underwhelming, uninspired and really sloppy. Its as though they had a great concept but couldnt actually execute it in a manner that would really impress. 

For starters they went with the GameBryo engine, which is just bad. It has the GameBryo visual feel to it as well, which is why its getting a lot of "warhammer" comparisons. They clearly didnt invest their time and money into designing a well rounded game.  This means, crafting, PvE, Quests... everything not part of their "npc rifts" was just slopped together. It feels like they didnt even try to do a better job than the competition. This wouldnt surprise me since they are also developing another mmorpg at the same time. My hypothesis is that Rifts is just a means to get some early revenue while they work on something they probably care more about. The mmorpg in question is the SyFy channel mmo they have licensed.

Keep in mind Rifts are just Player Quests ala WAR, though without much of the well crafted scripted events. Tabula Rasa did a lot of the things Rifts do, and they came across as doing a better job at it. Games like Dark and Light had mobs who actually migrated and dwindled dynamically based on player involvement. So dynamic gameplay isnt all that "new", we are just waiting for someone to do a really good job at it.

The world is full of hostile mobs. You cannot take two steps without running into another generic mob that for some reason has a grudge against you. Get within its radius and it will make its sound fx and charge at you. This not only helps break what little immersion might be present, but really makes riding around on a mount a pain in the arse. Freemarch (defiant starter)  is a lot more open and slightly better to navigate than say Silverwood (guardian starter). Cities really were a let down. They are a couple of huts with a few NPCs standing around them and perhaps one big building in the center. You will be disappointed in the size and scope of your faction city, as its more of a faction hut.

I believe Rift is trying to sell itself on being a next gen AAA title without actually adding next gen AAA content across the board. Their marketing department is running in over time really trying to sell the image of the game and hide its simplistic and below average design. Right now, this game wont be able to keep a large player base past the 3 and then 6th month mark. It will have its small niche of loyal fanatics but it will be hard pressed to do better than Aion much less WAR. 

The good is that the dev team seems responsive and they come across as a very likable bunch. I just wish I could say the same for their product.

I actually loved what I saw at E3 and followed the game closely. This response is completely neutral, and comes from playing all 3 beta's extensively. Conclusions are neutral and fair. Just being honest.

My best advice is, dont hype yourself up over this game. Sadly, it is not worth it.

^ Truth

Well said, pretty much sums up my thoughts from beta.

Sadly, once I got to were he stated they used the gamebyro engine I stopped reading. Do people not know what the gamebyro toolset is? Clearly some people don't and think this is a problem with rift. Here is a little insight straight from wiki:

A Gamebryo license can be purchased as either binary (headers, libraries and tools) or with full source code, so developers can debug the engine (and use it as reference for any customizations).

RIFT uses the toolset, not the engine and have stated they used it for clientside things and most of it has been written out. Even still the engine is a good engine if they were to use it. Game engines get updated all the time, look at crysis and hero engine and even AOC's engine. Just because they were made light years ago doesn't mean they are aged. The rest of what he stated is pure opinion in my eyes. I like RIFT, I enjoy the quests, and enjoy the multi class system. What people need to stop doing is this though:

My best advice is, dont hype yourself up over this game. Sadly, it is not worth it.

Quit invoking your opinion on others, just debate the subject at hand. It's fine to be negative about something and debate that or post it. But theres simply no need to over do it and start telling your readers what they should or shouldn't do. So my best advice is to not give my advice and just debate. I'm not god, you want advice, seek out a counsler.

Also once you pick your first soul, it shows you at the bottom in green what souls work better with. One thing I can't stand though is balance. I think there shouldn't be balance in any class at all, period. Balance to me only dumbs down the gameplay and effects to many classes overall. So what if some builds are to powerful, in the end some skills will be involved. And if you want to base it off reality, no single fight has ever been balanced. Fightning and War's have always been about how to get an advantage over an opponent. When you, lets say, prepare for a UFC fight, you try to find advantages like does the person have ground game? Does the person have injuries? And what not and use that against your opponent. Why people think everything should be fair and balanced kinda shocks me. I don't need nor want to go into a fight thats going to last 6-8 hrs because we are equally balanced. I go into fights wanting to finish you instantly, if I can. I do understand that we are playing a game though so reality doesn't exist nor should it. But balance to me just sounds to equal. And if people want true balance, then your going to end up having every class have the same talents and skills, meaning generic. If you don't then you will always have imbalance. And do we all really want to be the same, or do people actually want to be different. Can't really have it both ways.

Put it this way, if you want true balance your going to end up with a game where your always fighting a clone of yourself. Does that sound even remotely fun? Me, I like suprises. If you beat me, im going to do one of two things.

A. Find a way to beat you if possible or

B. Move on to the next opponent.

What I won't do is complain why your more powerful then me, mostly because it's not a bad thing. You had something I don't and you were the better man on that given day. If anything I may congratulate you.

Sadly this thread has been derailed again by a few people who don't know how to stay on topic. This is about the business side of things, and it was a good read for me. To you others, stay on topic or post your opinions in the right thread, nuff said.

Wow, what a nice CE! A USB drive and a mousepad plus all that other stuff, definitely the way to do CE's. =)

Heh, I still don't get it. I understand people are familar with World of Warcraft and all. But why do people keep saying this game is just another clone. Lets put it this way, what RIFT has most other games also have. Questing, the grind, instances, crafting and the like. All these things are what make up almost any mmo you see now, and will see in the future. Every game is going to try to bring something new. It's not a clone, it's called the traditional RPG model for mmorpg's. World of Warcraft didn't make this model, they just refined it. And it's really not a bad thing. This is how mmorpgs are going to continue to be created and played, its a model that works. People looking for dynamic's are going to be hurt. While the technology is there, it's just not feasible in an online environment. Well it is, but your talking about having servers capped at the bare minimum. I'm talking at most probably like 100 people per server for it to work right and run right while allowing even the most aged computers to run the game. Thats the thing right there also. People like us are what hold games back from being really dynamic. And no game company or investor would put 300 million into a game just to watch 100 people play it.

People need to quit being couch developers and start being consumers and realize that it's going to take a long time before you see the standerd model change. SWTOR, RIFT, GW2 and any other game isn't going to change it. You won't see a drastic change for quite sometime. Like I stated, the tech is there, we just aren't. Not everyone has 3 grand to drop on a top of the line computer. And developers don't have one global system they design for like consoles do. You want innovation, your 360 or PS3 is it. I know it's hard to swallow, but once you get past that, maybe you can start to enjoy what you have. And if what you have is not good enough for you, then maybe its time to move on. I enjoy RIFT very much so, not because it's a clone but because the world has some life in it. It may not be the most dynamic game, but it does things right by giving me the standerd model plus some and offering me some dynamic events on top of it. I also enjoy the storyline and what it has to offer. Cheers and Merry Xmas!!!

Sounds good, and I wish the best for you guys too.

I voted for Gods and Heroes for one simple reason. It was voted best game at show at a certain event a couple years back and got cancelled soon after. Then out of nowhere some unnamed company who made a Iphone/Andriod app picks it up and re-develops it. Unusual to say the least but nevertheless surprising.

Originally posted by lunatis
Originally posted by DevilXaphan
Originally posted by ianicus

I honestly dont understand this guys gripe, it just doesnt make sense.

His gripe is that he has to buy all expansions plus vanilla in order to play instead of just buying the new expansion which should have had all previous stuff included.

I totaly understand the point of view.

Why would you want to purchase all the games and expansions just to enjoy the final product, and still pay 15$/month, plain stupid!

Guild Wars 2 has the perfect model. You pay JUST for the content you get, no monthlee fee. Makes more sense to me! (ONE OR THE OTHER)

Exactly what Blizzard needs to do. Whenever they come out with an Xpac it should be priced at 49.99 and include all previous content. Why they dont switch to this model is beyond ridiculous. I guess they love churning out game boxes and serial codes, because in the end all you need is the 4 keys + the newest client.

I will take a key also, shameless request! :)

I think people tend to forget we are playing fantasy driven games, where things you dream of should be possible. Even if you try to make a game seem realistic, you can't. Because let's face it, realistic is boring hence the reason we play games in the first place. Seriously, if I had to play a game where I went to work, drove home, woke up, fed my kids and what not. I would freaking cry, seriously shed tears. I doubt anyone would code a game that way because that's just plain boring. Look at how slow we walk. Would you really want that in a game. I'd take bunny hopping any day, because it fits.

First off Diablo 3 is Diablo 3, not WoW. Gameplay is alot different that what you will get with WoW. That being said, people need to understand this game semi-resembles WoW and pretty much every game Blizzard does because of one huge thing, it's called low-poly count. Blizzard does this so all there games are compatible across almost all systems. If you were expecting something else like high end graphics etc., you will not get that from Blizzard. And to be honest, I think it's a good thing. Blizzard is a business, and business's like to make money and profit. You can't profit from a MMO if your selling yourself short by reducing your playerbase because of computer specs. Take a step back and see it from that perspective, and you will see why every game Blizzard churns out looks similar. And it will never change, so are we done here? Or shall we make more posts about how much Diablo is like WoW. Also, just for giggles. When Blizzard made WoW, they did use alot of the systems Diablo uses such as sets, skills, and skill trees. It's pretty common for game companies to share systems across multiple games. Cheers!

Originally posted by Ceridith


Doesn't surprised me. I've long since lost faith in Blizzard as being a competant developer.

Besides, every single developer who contributed to the first two Diablo games haven't worked for Blizzard in a long while. Why people are convinced Diablo 3 is going to be as great as the first two is beyond me.

Torchlight will likely remain to be more entertaining, especially with Torchlight 2 coming down the pipe. With good reason too... it's made by the developers who worked on Diablo 1 and 2.

Not every developer is gone from the old Blizzard North. But the main ones did leave and go to One of the main developers also tried starting up the failed company who produced Hellgate/Mythos. Seriously though, just because they left doesn't mean crap. Blizzard has some of thee best talent in the world in developers. If they didn't, then every time one of them leaves they wouldn't be instantly grabbed up by another. Shoot, there has been times were they tried to scout there developers which was against the law at one point in time. Diablo 3 will be a great game and I will be purchasing it. I've played since d1 and still play d2 to this day. Let's quit with the whole, "Nobody is left from the old team!" though, because there is. And the one's who left were replaced by the same if not better talent. Here's an idea though, get into development if you think you have the chops.

I don't play much anymore due to time constraints with work and personal life but ... It seem's people are made at the wrong people. GPotato did nothing wrong to the game. Astrum is the one's who tore this game apart. Even some GPotato staff didn't neccesarily like the changes, but they have a contract that they have to live upto or no game. This is why I don't enjoy f2p games. Not because they are bad, but because changes come from some other company and the publishers have to deal with it. At the very most they can send them emails about what the community thinks. But that really doesn't change much. GPotato did get some things changed slightly such as prices, and incense being added to a daily quest. Also allowing tradeable bags. The thing is the process is slow and can take months. So in essence, if you want to hate, go to the Russian boards where the developers chat it up and send them some pm's. I think GPotato is doing alot to please the crowd especially with the giveaway they had. They are atleast attempting to alleviate a bad situation. Now as for Astrum, since they took over development with help from, they have litterly took a great game and made it just like every other f2p game out there, which is heavily dependant on a cash shop. They mind as well make it p2p and forgo the shop. Anyways, CHEERS!

I have never played this game nor cared to try it, but after the constant reading about it and this system. It seem's like a system that is very restrictive. I'm not sure why a developer would put a system in place that controls the xp gain regardless of playing one main class or 2 sub classes. Kind of shocked people are okay that a developer is telling you how to play your character and your okay with. I kind of get why a system like this would help everyone progress at the same level, but shouldn't it be up to the player as to how they want to develop there character? If they want to gimp themselves, they should be allowed to. This whole scenario sounds very Castero'ish if you know what I mean. Live this way, do this, eat that, spend here, dont buy there. Whatever floats your boat tho. Enjoy! :)

Originally posted by Farrox

Yeah the early names on the list may have given up. Slackers! Updated :











Heres 2 keys, name removed! Enjoy and dont forget to post your keys if you got them.



Still looking for a key..... :) Can pm me if you want to!

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