Originally posted by oubers

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Yeah, it's down and that blows. That said, it's only 4 hours, not 6 or 8. Watch a movie or two , make yourself something to eat and before you know it the servers will be back up.

For the folks who only have this particular time frame to play due to your job, well, 1) I'd hate to have your job and 2) this is something you'd have to deal with with any new MMO that has launched in recent times.

It's all about prioritizing your time. I know the vast majority of people don't put gaming near the top of that list of their leisure activities. They tend to be the most upset when a MMO is getting maintenance and the 2-3 hour block that they have set aside out of a 168 hour week falls within that time frame.

Bioware is learning how to do this whole MMO thing. This is their first time at the dance. In their second month. If anyone in this genre (MMOs) deserves a break to get their feet under them for at least the first 6 months it's them.

That's not to say not to maintain expecting them to follow through and make things better. It is saying give them a chance to get some "live" experience withthe game and learn and fine tune their internal practices.

Oh, and if it honestly bothers/angers anyone that much, quit. Cause hollow meaningless threats on random forums (or even the BW) don't scare or mean anything to anyone other than the person who writes them. And with this title being this new, they are probably still getting an equal or slightly greater number of new subscriptions than thouse that are leaving.

Anyway, I'm gonna go make some food and watch some movies. Then I'll log back in in now, what, 3 hours and 17 minutes.*

 

*Provided they have the servers up

Dont get me wrong m8.....i think they do deserve a break, they are new at this (altough EA isnt).

It realy isnt that hard to seperate your US servers from your EU servers you know (i am an ICT nerd too.....for a living even :) )

If it was the first time this happend i would not realy mind....but as i stated b4, this is the 4th time i am unable to logon during my free hours.......planning my hours better you say?? there is just 24 hours in a day (10 of those i work) the other hours primeraly go to my GF, friends, sports and in the last spot gaming.

But i do pay 15$ a month to login to this server that isnt available.....would you keep on paying? (if yes plz send me 10$ a month for my offline server here at home....i thank u very much :)

 

 

Well, I have a wife and a 6 month old, I follow NFL (SF 49ers), MLB (Texas Rangers) and English Soccer (Man U) and World Cup (Germany!!) religiously. So do my group of close friends. That said, I put aside hours of my time to game. My friends do too.

Now, I'm not judging how you juggle your freetime. That is not my place. I'm just saying if you want to ensure you'll get more "uptime" playing, then you might want to allocate more time to gaming. That's all.

As for separating US and EU servers, if EA/BW has the manpower to do it, I got no issue with it.

I'm just saying give them time to get their "live" processes down. No one here has started something brand new and done it perfect within the first month or two.

Originally posted by Humphrie

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by Shivam

Originally posted by Complication

bioware brings down the game at the worst times ever. midnight on a friday? REALLY!!!!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

 

and they also disabled any posting on the forums at all!!! REALLY??!!! Now i cant even complain in all caps there?!!!

Midnight of Friday and day time for others on Saturday. So what is the best time for maintenance?

I know, right. Cause it's the middle of the freaking night where the BW Austin folks are which means they are up in the middle of normal sleeping periods to try to make a "COMPUTER GAME" better for people to play.

And people are pissing and maoning all over them.

Tells where people's priorities are in life and alot of other things about them too. *shrug*

It's like bringing a man dying of thirst in the middle of the desert a canteen of water and them yelling at you because it isn't Perrier(tm). smh

Closing down their own forums is an admission of guilt. It is tantamount to saying 'yeah, we did just drop that in your collective laps with no warning for no reason, but since we don't care about you, or care to hear your (justified) frustration, we'll be closing down the forums now, mmkay?'

 

Bioware sucks. We should have known this was coming when DA:2 turned out to be a total joke. I hope, when EA announces that the game is going F2P in 6 months, that they quietly fold all Bioware operations into their own, and fire 90% of the former programmers, laying waste to this company forever.

Yeah, because listening to all those people cry and moan is really going to expediate them doing their jobs. Sorry, the only thing letting people cry and moan does is slow down their network, which makes it harder to get things done.

If you don't think they don't already know that people are upset about not being able to play a game, wow...well, I don't know what to say. And based on your last paragragh I'm wondering 1) why you are even still playing and 2) why do you even follow and comment since it angers you so.

You could be writing the world's next great novel or something. You know, spending time doing something positive that that you enjoy?

Originally posted by Shivam

Originally posted by Complication

bioware brings down the game at the worst times ever. midnight on a friday? REALLY!!!!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

 

and they also disabled any posting on the forums at all!!! REALLY??!!! Now i cant even complain in all caps there?!!!

Midnight of Friday and day time for others on Saturday. So what is the best time for maintenance?

I know, right. Cause it's the middle of the freaking night where the BW Austin folks are which means they are up in the middle of normal sleeping periods to try to make a "COMPUTER GAME" better for people to play.

And people are pissing and maoning all over them.

Tells where people's priorities are in life and alot of other things about them too. *shrug*

It's like bringing a man dying of thirst in the middle of the desert a canteen of water and them yelling at you because it isn't Perrier(tm). smh

Yeah, it's down and that blows. That said, it's only 4 hours, not 6 or 8. Watch a movie or two , make yourself something to eat and before you know it the servers will be back up.

For the folks who only have this particular time frame to play due to your job, well, 1) I'd hate to have your job and 2) this is something you'd have to deal with with any new MMO that has launched in recent times.

It's all about prioritizing your time. I know the vast majority of people don't put gaming near the top of that list of their leisure activities. They tend to be the most upset when a MMO is getting maintenance and the 2-3 hour block that they have set aside out of a 168 hour week falls within that time frame.

Bioware is learning how to do this whole MMO thing. This is their first time at the dance. In their second month. If anyone in this genre (MMOs) deserves a break to get their feet under them for at least the first 6 months it's them.

That's not to say not to maintain expecting them to follow through and make things better. It is saying give them a chance to get some "live" experience withthe game and learn and fine tune their internal practices.

Oh, and if it honestly bothers/angers anyone that much, quit. Cause hollow meaningless threats on random forums (or even the BW) don't scare or mean anything to anyone other than the person who writes them. And with this title being this new, they are probably still getting an equal or slightly greater number of new subscriptions than thouse that are leaving.

Anyway, I'm gonna go make some food and watch some movies. Then I'll log back in in now, what, 3 hours and 17 minutes.*

*Provided they have the servers up

Originally posted by Tyvolus4

Originally posted by Khalathwyr
 

"Granted I couldn't care less about other people on the server and have interacted with a grand total or TWO other people that I didn't know from real life (my guild is made up of 7 other people, all that are real life people I've known for years) and that was only because we were waiting on the balloon in DUne sea to get the datacrons on that sandcrawler" 

 

Why are you playing an MMO game again ?

Because I enjoyed the heck out of them before WoW made this PnP gamer genre "popular" and appealed to all the "It's just a game" and "I shouldn't be penalized or punished" crowd.

Just because I don't really like the point of the whims of most modern MMO gamers have directed the genre doesn't mean I can't play. Granted, I won't play the majority (99%) of the thempark tripe out there now. The only reason I'm playing TOR is for the class stories which I find entertaining. Indeed the stories behind most of the missions I find entertaining. As long as BW can keep story based content, both class and generic, coming out such that I haven't reached "endgame" (finished all missions/story) with the 3 classes I like, then I'll keep playing.

If they ever let it get to a point to where I've fininshed the "story" on those three chars, then I'll unsubscribe.

That and I don't need to interact with others. If I don't need to, then I won't want to. In games like UO and SWG...sandbox games, there was a need to interact and as such I wanted to as it felt rewarding.

Originally posted by Berikai

Originally posted by Khalathwyr  One thing that I know alot of those complaining about low pop aren't considering is that the given instance they are in may be the smallest of a few instances going. I ahven't seen one person yet mention that they hopped to all the instances for fleet or a given planet to check.

 

Honestly I'm pretty sure people knew how to check all the instances and change to them within the 1st few days of playing and also wouldn't you actually need to have multiple instances to see them in the bottom right of the map?Thus have a chance to change?Funny the server I quit as I quit the game didn't have any multi instances and all zones I went to including Ilum had less then 30 people,Ilum had 3 and fleet 15 so yeah go multi non existant instances.

Well, based on my experience I disagree with you. Taking a moment and looking at the questions being asked in general chat proves that on a relative level.

As for you example there are alot of factors being left out here. Many are ones I mentioned above. Such as server locale, time of day. Don't bother responding though as I'm sure it'll be at "peak time" on a server in a time zone in which you live and not during a holiday or other event for which people may not be on.

Good question. If I know the people at Paizo (and subsequently Goblinworks) it's to show what they plan to start with and how much more they will have to exapand into. Sure, I'd like them to start with all of the known world, but that would probably mean they would be working on the game until 2025 or so, lol!

Granted I couldn't care less about other people on the server and have interacted with a grand total or TWO other people that I didn't know from real life (my guild is made up of 7 other people, all that are real life people I've known for years) and that was only because we were waiting on the balloon in DUne sea to get the datacrons on that sandcrawler, I have noticed the populations on our server and they seem good to me.

One thing that I know alot of those complaining about low pop aren't considering is that the given instance they are in may be the smallest of a few instances going. I ahven't seen one person yet mention that they hopped to all the instances for fleet or a given planet to check.

The second, and I'm not picking on Elikal just using his very obvious example, is that he is in Germany (I presume, maybe wrong?) playing on a West Coast US server...at peak time for East Coast US. That's a 3 hour time difference just in the US. Add to that the server being unofficial Oceanic which means the majority of it's players are on 8 to 10 hours after East Coast Peak Time. No wonder it may seem Low pop to Elikal. It is because most of the people on his server are either at work or sleep.

And I'm sure there are many vocal others who don't look at such considerations. Add to that other factors going on behind the scenes that only EA/BW folks know for facts (such as their paramenters for labeling server load and what the related metrics)...just saying the game is most likely doing just fine.

Lastly, as to the person who quit at the 1 month mark just because there weren't enough people at level cap (50)...okay ***really personal opinion incoming, stop reading if you can't handle others opinions***

That's what's wrong with the most of these themepark games in the first place!!! More entertaining time sinks need to make it back into game development amongst other things to dissuade the thought that "endgame is where a game starts". Indeed, the idea of "endgame" should die as it is like a cancer when it comes MMORPGs. Just saying.

Until I get my Imperial Agent, Sith Inquisitor, Bounty Hunter and maybe Sith Warrior and Smuggler to level 50 and have completed their class stories. If Bioware has added more to the class stories by then then I will continue to play. If not...since crafting isn't important then I'll have to evaluate the situation (which most likely means stop subscribing).

Well, I hope it isn't contaigious. I've got a 37 IA, a 28 SI and a 17 BH and don't experience ability delay as some people say they do.

I'd say that was fair to say. Based on my own test group of around 15 people and having full knowledge of what they have "under the hood" I think that's fair to say. This group has machines ranging in age from about a month old (mine and my wife's) to 4 or 5 years old and having spoken with all 15 as recently as yesterday, none of them are having performance issues. They all also know to take in consideration what machine they have and don't expect to run the game on highest settings if their machine is 4 years or older.

Too funny.

I've been saying this for years now about this game. Back when they announced they would "have crafting because that's what MMO gamers expect to be in an MMO" and when they stated "we didn't want crafting to interefere with players being heroic".

Those were your tell tale statements folks. Don't try to act like it is a surprise the crafting system has as much use as it does. There have only been a handful of crafting systems that actually had merit and made the crafter useful in modern MMOs:

Ultima Online, Ryzom, SWG (pre NGE), Horizons(Istaria), EvE and ATITD. I'd even give honorable mention to Darkfall and Mortal Online despite them (imo) being horrid in most other gameplay aspects.

Once developers stop believing the LIE that player crafters making the best will stunt game subscriptions and once some very vocal players stop beliving and propigating the LIE that playing in such a condition limits their play in anyway, then, only then will we start to see meaningful crafting systems return.

It's Funcom...and my past history with them (a long battle about how crafting should be a larger focus in AOC during the pre launch era...then them subsequently caving in to my point (not necessarily me, just my point) months/years after launch) which prevents me from pre-ordering TSW or really following it at all.

That said I wish it a ton of success and it may be a game I pick up a few months to a year after launch if it hasn't gone F2P. I wish it grand success if only to prove the folks who aren't capable of playing anything that isn't a level/class based, structured hand-holding progression system that classless, skill based systems do work...again.

Again, during their time, UO and SWG(pre CU/NGE) were very successful games subscription wise.

So you play with My Little Ponies. Cool story.

The Russian Airforce did well enough to establish air superiority over their own battlefields such that their tank busting aircraft could go to work and influcence land battles.

I wouldn't dismiss them so nonchalantly. In addition to the Yak-9 mentioned above, the La-5 (particularly the Fn version) and the La-7 were very respectable fightercraft. Equals to the German bf 109s sans the methanol/water mixture they used especially at low altitude.

Gave it an somewhere between 81 and 85. I'm enjoying it for what it is even though it doesn't fit my personal wants for an MMO. That said, that's my personal view which shouldn't influence any one else's view on the game.

If you let other people's opinions of it influence your own, especially if you haven't played it to at least level 20, then you are apart of the problem, not the solution. That's not to say you have to play something a tortuous amount of hours to not like it. It IS saying that if you want to condemn it publicly in a well informed way, well, you gotta spend time using the software.

8/29

Got email just now.

August 29.

Just got my email.

So according to this they plan to add folks from well beyond July today. "Well beyond" is of course relative and to me that hints at moving into September or maybe the 1st week(s) of October. To only cover the next month seems to be an overzealous use of the phrase "well beyond".

Staggered was/is the way to go.

I'm not in yet, also. Maybe today.

The "tradition" of being in first is overrated. Especially since it comes with all the queues and server crashes and such. Either way players would be denied playtime. I'd much rather know that the servers are working as intended and "there" as opposed to wondering how badly a server crashed and how long it will be before they get it back up.

Some "traditions" are worth dropping/getting over/let die. I'd much rather start a new tradition of MMO companies launching MMOs that work and that are actually up. I undertand the "Me, me, me" and "I want it right now" generations are dying inside because they can't have it "yesterday!!!!11!!!1!". Fortunately for me I was born before them and was taught patience.