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Originally posted by Gazenthia

Originally posted by PureChaos

Actually he picks a very important part. No matter what you may say wow was missing things that was planed, just because it got by without them doesnt mean they didnt lie to us or w/e you want to call.

Continue that and now these features that was suppose to be in at launch are now a xpac but we forget since it was a long while ago.

Take that same logic and apply to WAR. Quests are in and work , PQ's work , technicly they didnt have all their planed classes cause hero classes was up on there, and we are just now seeing them. They changed their mind for balancing reasons remember .We have siege weapons, we have RVR we have a capital to attack we have the mechanics.

 

I'm sorry guys, but WoW released way better than this.

For one, It was not missing half of it classes.

Second, it was not missing any cities.

Third, what it was missing was not core to the game.

 

This eclipses WoWs release.

 

The part you are missing is this.  They may have had all that crap in the game, but it wasn't finished.  Some classes did not have talents and most of the classes that had talents had crap.  Remember Hunters with no talents?  How about Druids with only resto?
 

Cities were in, but they were pointless.  A couple quests, some trainers, they all didn't even have Auction Houses in them.  Just because you feel that was finished doesnt mean it wasnt crap.

It had no pvp system and no completed raid content at launch.  I call that core to the game, especially at launch when there was no such thing as heroics or alternate gear advancement.

I played WoW from beta up until about 2 months ago.  No one is going to pull the wool over my eyes with what was or was not in at release.  Sorry.

Originally posted by ProfRed

It isn't finished.  They are releasing it early just like every MMO that has ever been released besides to some degree WoW.

They should push it back me thinks, but if they can pull it off bravo.  Otherwise they will get exactly what they put in.

LOL:

  2.4 
  Sunwell Plateau 
  Sunwell Isle 
  New Daily Quests 
  And much more 
 
 
 You have traveled through the Dark Portal and braved the perils of Outland; you faced off against the might of the Burning Legion itself, and you prevailed. Now the journey that began with the arrival of the draenei on Azeroth and the blood elves' inclusion into the Horde is about to come full circle as a mighty army gathers to purge evil from one of Azeroth's most important loci of power: the ancient, magical Sunwell.  
 
 

  2.3 
  Zul’Aman 
  Guild Banks 
  Faster Leveling to 60 
  And much more 
 
 
 The stronghold of Zul'Aman has stood for millennia as the Amani trolls' seat of power and bastion of the fearless, cunning warlord Zul'jin.
Zul'jin has spent several years plotting behind Zul'Aman's walls. Furious at the Horde for allowing his hated enemies, the blood elves, to join its ranks, he eagerly embraced a scheme that the witch doctor Malacrass recently proposed: to seal the power of the animal gods within the bodies of the Amani's strongest warriors.

Now Zul'Aman's army grows more powerful by the day, hungry to exact vengeance in the name of its fearless leader, Zul'jin.
 
 
 

  2.2
  Voice Chat 
  Mac Movie Capture 
 
 
 Azeroth is alive with the sound of voices. For the first time, players are able to talk to each other in game with the use of the new Voice Chat feature. Also in this patch, aspiring moviemakers can now use their Mac to capture all the in-game action and share it with their friends.
 
 
 

  2.1
  The Black Temple 
  Druid Epic Flight Form 
  Nether Drake 
  And much more 
 
 
 The Temple of Karabor was the center of draenei worship until its priests were slaughtered by demonically corrupted orcs. In the massacre's aftermath the warlocks of the Shadow Council seized the structure and gave it a new name: The Black Temple.
When the Alliance invaded Draenor after the Second War, the orc shaman Ner'zhul hastily opened several dimensional portals in order to escape. The resulting magical backlash ripped the world apart. Drawn by these portals, the pit lord Magtheridon arrived in what had come to be known as Outland and took the temple as his seat of power.

His dominion over Outland remained unchallenged until the arrival of Illidan the Betrayer. The pit lord proved no match for the wielder of the Twin Blades of Azzinoth. Today Illidan occupies the temple, awaiting any and all who would challenge his rule.
 
 

  2.0.1
  New PvP Honor System 
  New PvP Arena System 
  New Talents 
  And much more 
 
 
 The biggest storms are often preceded by a sudden calm, as if the whole world stands still for a moment while the winds gather all their strength. This patch includes many important changes and improvements leading up to the release of World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade, including the new PvP Honor and Arena systems. Prove your worth on the Battlegrounds and earn new, powerful PvP Honor rewards, or take the ultimate test of your team PvP skills in the new Arena System. Also, you can already learn the new class talents that will help you brave the many challenges awaiting you in Outland and beyond.
There are many new, groundbreaking features to be found in this patch, but always remember ? this is nothing but the calm... before the storm.
 
 
 

  1.12
  Cross-Realm Battlegrounds 
  World PvP 
  Rogue Talent Review 
  And much more 
 
 
 For the first time in the history of World of Warcraft, you can take on players from other realms in the battlegrounds. Replenish your mana, sharpen your blades, and get ready for some brand-new challengers! Also, this patch introduces world PvP objectives to Silithus and the Eastern Plaguelands. The stage is set for intense, objective-based land battles as Horde and Alliance vie for control over important strategic positions and resources around Azeroth.  
 
 

  1.11
  Naxxramas 
  New Tier 3 Armor Sets 
  Keyrings 
  And much more 
 
 
 Floating above the Plaguelands, the necropolis known as Naxxramas serves as the seat of one of the Lich King's most powerful officers, the dreaded lich Kel'Thuzad. Horrors of the past and new terrors yet to be unleashed are gathering inside the necropolis as the Lich King's servants prepare their assault. The Scourge marches again... Naxxramas is the new 40-man raid dungeon that will present even the most experienced and powerful players with an epic challenge.  
 
 

  1.10
  Weather Effects 
  Priest Talents 
  New High-Level Armor Set 
  And much more 
 
 
 Weather has at last arrived across the continents of the land. Priests' abilities have been further tuned, and many high-level raid instances have undergone significant changes, with adjustments to difficulty, rewards, and the number of players allowed to venture together into the depths of the darkest, most dangerous places of Azeroth. Prepare yourselves for the coming storm!  
 
 

  1.09
  Ahn'Qiraj 
  Linked Auction Houses 
  Paladin Talent Update 
  New Armor Models 
 
 
 The Gates of Ahn'Qiraj will house two massive. unique dungeons - the Ruins of Ahn'Qiraj. a 20 -man raid dungeon. and the Temple of Ahn'Qiraj. a 40-man raid dungeon. As players delve deeper into the mysteries of Ahn'Qiraj. they will discover revelations of the Silithid infestation and their shadowy masters. the Qiraji. Players will have to complete a world event of massive proportions before they can open the Gates of Ahn'Qiraj on their realm.  
 
 

  1.08
  Dragons of Nightmare 
  Silithus 
  Hallow's End 
  Druid Talent Improvement 
  High Level Items 
 
 
 The Great Trees of the world have been shaken to their roots; a new menace has come from the portals to the Emerald Dream. Four green dragons. once proud lieutenants of Ysera now corrupted by the Emerald Nightmare. have appeared in Azeroth to destroy the life they once dearly protected. Adventurers must ride forth and defend the land from this new threat. . .
Meanwhile in Silithus. the Cenarion Circle gathers at its Hold to research the strange goings-on both above and underneath the shifting sands. Something dangerous is stirring beyond the Scarab Wall. The Twilight's Hammer are extremely active in the area. working to uncover some unnamed evil. Can you uncover the mysteries therein?
 
 
 

  1.07
  New Dungeon: Zul'Gurub 
  New Battleground: Arathi Basin 
  Hunter Talents 
  Stranglethorn Fishing Extravaganza 
 
 
 Venture into Zul'Gurub. ancient city of the Gurubashi trolls. and do battle against the minions of the Blood God Hakkar. Aid the Zandalar tribe in restoring the proper order to the world. for they will reward your efforts with both knowledge and armor to help you in your quest.
In the Arathi Highlands. a resource-rich vale lies nestled within the mountains. There. the League of Arathor fights against the undead Defilers to gather these vital supplies for their armies. Join the battle in the name of the Horde or Alliance and take control over the Basin!
 
 
 

  1.06
  New Dungeon: Blackwing Lair 
  Darkmoon Faire 
  Class Improvements 
  Battlemasters 
  Honor System Improvements 
 
 
 Lord Victor Nefarius has long taunted the defenders of the land during their adventures in Blackrock Spire - now. at last. his lair lies open. awaiting those daring enough to set foot within. Do battle against the black dragonflight and face off against Nefarian himself within the treacherous Blackwing Lair.
For those less inclined to do battle with dragons. the mysterious. mischievous Darkmoon Faire has been sighted around the areas of Elwynn Forest and the plains of Mulgore. Indulge in less-than-healthy faire food. enjoy the strange and wonderful games. get your fortune told by a gnoll. and imbibe cheap booze. Who could ask for more?
 
 
 

  1.05
  Player-vs-Player Battlegrounds 
  New Mid-Level Content 
  New Quests to Gain Reputation 
 
 
 The troops again lusting for battle. all eyes now turn to two prime spots in Azeroth. In the formerly pristine Alterac Valley. the Stormpike dwarves and the Frostwolf clan of orcs fight over the rights to the strategic piece of land. Huge armies clash upon the slopes of the snowy vale. Over in Kalimdor. the Silverwing Sentinels of Ashenvale and the Warsong orcs battle for the forest - the night elves to save their ancestral land. the orcs to chop it down for valuable war supplies. Both battles require the most stalwart of soldiers; it is time to fight for lord and land!  
 
 

  1.04
  Player vs Player Honor System 
  Gurubashi Arena Event 
  Elemental Invasions 
 
 
 There was no help for it; the seasoned troops on both the Horde and Alliance were becoming beleaguered. The fierce light of battle was fading from their eyes. Leaders feared retaliation by their enemy. assured that they would strike any day. Something had to be done to rekindle that fire. to return vigor to their valiant soldiers. The cities of Azeroth now grant ranks to their fighters. and the craftsmen of both sides have been working feverishly to provide their armies with new items for use in the war effort. Fight on. brave and noble adventurers. and achieve glory!  
 
 

  1.03
  New Dungeon: Dire Maul 
  UI Improvements 
  Class Improvements 
  Meeting Stones 
  Outdoor Raid Encounters 
 
 
 Built long ago by Queen Azshara's followers. the ancient. magical city of Eldre'Thalas was the center for the highborne's arcane research. Thousands of years have passed since the destruction of the Well of Eternity. and the broken city's three wings have been overrun by ghostly Highborne. satyr and ogres. Now known as the Dire Maul. only the most daring party of adventurers can enter this dungeon and face the ancient evils within.  
 
 

  1.02
  Maraudon 
  Gurubashi Arena Event 
  Cloak / Helm Graphics 
  Feast of Great-Winter Event 
 
 
 Intrepid adventurers first discovered the depths of Maraudon, a dungeon that revealed much of the mystery behind the marauding centaur clans. Denizens of Azeroth also celebrated the Feast of Winter Veil. Trading gifts, munching on cookies and eggnog, and chatting with Greatfather Winter kept both Alliance and Horde in high spirits throughout the holiday.  
 
 

Sure looks like everything was in WoW at launch...

You also don't recall they promised siege weapons, a pvp system, multiple raids, and all classes to have completed talents.  Well none of that happened at launch so get over yourself.

Not to be an ass, but you are like the tenth person I have seen using the incorrect spelling of the word "CANCEL".  There is no H in it.  Sorry, but it had to be said.

I am vote #200. Hurray...

I am in it for the IP.  The fact the gameplay sounds great and I like the way the game looks so far just means I will (hopefully) be subscribing after the first month.  I generally give all Warhammer games a shot.

TT player for 15 years, devotee of Slaanesh for 12 years.

I think the anticipation and all the nagative chatter that is vomitting forth from the internet just got to Browncoat.  Lets just hope he changes his tune once more information is out.  Simple case of being unable to see the forest because all the trees are in the way.

Great reply by Jeff.

These are the only things you ever need to post in order to participate in the stagnant wasteland that is a MMO forum.  Any alteration of these guidelines is fine, especially if you can make yourself believe what you wrote is original:

"The game I like is better than the game you like because I say so."

"I choose not to see any of the flaws my game has but I will quickly point out the flaws in yours."

"If your game has more subscribers than mine it is only because the people playing your game are dumb. "

"If my game has more subscribers than yours it is because my game is good."

"I want a game that will beat WoW because I can not enjoy my game unless WoW fails."

"EVE is the digital manifestation of Christ.  Only the true believers can understand its greatness."

"There are only three different types of posters on any forums.  Trolls, Fanbois, and Yourself."

"I am the only one on the forum without an agenda."

"I do not care about what you are saying, so I will reply to your post."

"Developers who hide all the information about their games are doing it to help development.  It has nothing to do with them being horrible game designers trying to spin PR."

I leave anything out?

If AoC is steak and wine, than the steak is raw and the wine is a bag of grapes.  The idea is there, but the end product does not exist yet.

Out of curiousity what is more important to you?  When you buy an MMO do you want a great game or a great world?  Let me clarify since thats a broad question.

Game: Gameplay.  The mechanics of the game, the flow of combat, crafting, aquisition of gear, leveling or skills...basically everything that the developers are in direct control of and equates to mathmatical values and coding.

World: Envirenments. The architecture, the landscapes, the visuals.  The ability to essentially "live" in this alternate reality.  Roleplaying, the ability to own a piece of said world or alter it, and stuff like city building. A sandbox basically..

I am not saying you can not have a little of both in a game or even a balance.  You may like them both evenly or wish to see them both fleshed out perfectly in your ideal game.

What the question is, given the choice between one or the other.  What would you choose?

Logic will never reach the close-minded.  Everyone who has been around the block knows that WoW coppied the EQ formula and improved it.  The also have alot of ex-EQ staff working for them now.  The original WoW staff is all but gone.  If you did not play EQ back when it was released you will not understand the blatent similarities between both EQ and WoW.

Anyone who is willing to put in the time will see that Warcraft got most of its ideas and lore from Warhammer.  It is common knowledge.  It is not some huge conspiracy.  Blizzard presented Games Workshop with two ideas.  One was for a Fantasy RTS based on Warhammer lore and the other was a Sci-fi RTS based on Warhammer 40k lore.  Games Workshop turned down the deal so Blizzard decided to self publish since the already had alot of the game mechanics in place.  The put the Sci-fi game on the back burner since they did not haev the money to fund both games.  The altered the art work for the game enough not to be infronging on copyrights and then they came up with some quick lore ( about 20 pages).  They released the game Warcraft: Orcs vs Humans and it was a success.  The Sci-fi game on the back burner was eventually altered and what was originally Space Marines vs Eldar vs Tyranids became Starcraft with Terrans vs Protoss vs Zerg. The rest is history.

WoW's UI is not original, look at games that came out prior.  It coppied them.  If you check out the UI for AC you can see huge similarities.  WoW's combat system is not unique, again it coppied from other games.  The combat animations in WoW are not robust.  Melee have one animation with varrying particle effects for their special attacks.  Casters are the same with one casting animation for offense and one for defense, they just change the particle effect colors.

The blatant stupidity coming from people who say WAR is a clone of WoW is just irritating.  I do not care what game you like or dislike.  What I am tired of is all the liars and uninformed sheep who say what other idiots before them have said in an attempt to either sound profound or make WoW look like the second coming of Christ.

The question is a bit odd.  Think of the reason why shields were invented in the first place.  Now think about what you are trying to do as a tank. 

Can you tank with a greatsword?  Sure.  Will a guy tanking with a shield be better at mitigating damage than you?  You can bet on it.  Which one do you think a group is more likely to pick up?

It is your choice, but you can not expect to be good at everything just because you want to use a certain weapon.  Thats like using your arrows as melee weapons because you like the way they look.  Weapons and tools were created for a reason.  This may be a fantasy game, but alot of the mechanics are based on real life.

Originally posted by todeswulf

No not everything it was cracked up to be still the Number 1 selling PC game, still has tons of new subs every day still has WoW like Sub numbers for the time it has been out.  Avery's right there is an agenda of hate and it has nothing to do with AoC's issues, it has everything to do with Precious WoW losing hundreds of thousands of subs to AoC . Thing is the hate machine isn’t working  aside from a handful of zealots posting their daily BS here...AoC continues to kick ass sales wise.

Sales do not make a game great.  You assume that everyone who buys the game continues to play it.  You also buy into Funcom's PR spin.  Seriously "One Million units shipped" and "700,000 accounts created" does not equal "One Million copies sold" or "700,000 active accounts".

I also like your last line "AoC continues to kick ass sales wise".   There is a bit of admition on your part that the game isn't kicking ass in every sense of the word.  Just sales wise.

Succede or fail I do not care.  The lack of foresight on these forums is mind blowing.

Originally posted by shadenis .

Anyway. Cloning WOW/EQ formula doesn't make that mmo successful, the opposite infact. I think allot of people want something different. Not games lke AOC or LOTRO but something different, something more like EVE but with a easier learning curve and a balance between linear storytelling and sandbox game play /virtual world content and the possibility to affect the world.

If this statement were true, more people would be playing EVE.  The truth is, more people want to play a game like WoW.  That is why it is selling more.  Does that mean WoW is better?  No at all.  It just means that more people are interested in it.

When EVE has numbers that are anything near what WoW has you will see developers put serious effort into improving that formula.  Until then, sandbox type games will remain a niche market.

More people want to play a "game" then play in a "world".  Proven by sales.

What is the point of PvE for that matter?  When you break down anything eventually you realize it is pointless, so stop worrying about it.

PvE = You vs. the Programer.  No matter what you do you are playing against a person.  The only difference is that PvE targets have a set routine you can learn and exploit.  PvP targets are able to learn and adapt at a moments notice.  It is more challenging.  Not better, just more challenging.

I recently started playing LotRO.  Played for about 5 days and decided to buy it and get a 3 month subscription.  There is grouping all over the place.  Yes you can level to cap solo, but why?  If your whole goal in the game is just to hit the level cap then you are not enjoying it.  Slow down, read the quests, spend the time to get a group (takes me no longer than 30min tops), and enjoy the world.

If you are into RP I highly recomend Landroval (server), tons of stuff to do that doesn't involve leveling.  The problem with most games is that people feel the need to rocket through the levels to get to the end game.  In LotRO I am thoroughly enjoying myself by slowing down and actually looking at what I am doing.  LotRO is more of a world than a game like many MMOs. 

If you are looking for a good community and an interesting storyline, I recommend LotRO.

Thanks for the update!

How long has darkfall been in development?  How long has Stargate been in development?  Then go sit in a corner and think about it for a bit.

Btw I dont care about either game, but your topic is retarded.

You need to realize, as it was stated earlier, they SHIPPED 1 million copies.  Does not say they SOLD 1 million copies.  Find out how many they sold, without guessing or pulling numbers out of the air, and then post about how successfull it is.

The comparison to LotRO is perfect as far as sub numbers go.  I can easily see them maintaining between 100-200k subs for the long haul.