All Posts by Amstel

This thread is 100% true.

They baited everyone with "this will be a good pvp game" and with specifically saying death would have a consequence. Now the game is live, there is NO pvp death penalty, and it's exactly the same old boring crap we have had for the last 5 years.

Thought I would share this with you all

http://www.voig.com/media/2008/May/29/WiiFitprettymuchwins.html

An AOC damage meter app. has been created. Download it here:

http://www.voig.com/voice/downloads.html

It's very cool. It doesn't even run in AOC it just analyzes saved combat text outside the game. Very useful for a lot of things.

What do you guys think:

http://www.voig.com/media/2008/May/19/ArenaPlus.html

I mixed in lots of crazy movie scenes. I think it adds a nice effect.

Could this be it?

http://www.voig.com/media/2008/Apr/23/LifeofWorldPVP.html

That is what MMOs are all about. Not this consensual "instanced" pvp battleground crap they have moved towards.

That "movie clip" WoW machinima just released their first episode. The original clip was a trailer for the movie

http://mmovie.voig.com

Thats some high quality video capture ... OMG how is that streaming through flash???

OMG yeah, I thought you were going to be talking about Voig.com. They made that MMOVIE thing that pretty much owned. http://mmovie.voig.com

They said there may be item looting servers on this game.

No one is going to be a "hardcore raider" in a game on a PVP server with item looting. You raid 10 hours a night, wipe wipe wipe, then get your RARE drop loot and if someone kills you in PVP they can take it. Grats.

People on item loot servers are forced to use crafted gear or lower quality gear than raid gear. Gear that is pretty easily to acquire and can be passed around between the PvPers as they kill each other.

This is why AOC still has tons of hope no matter WHAT system they implement.

Hardcore raids for those folks who like it.  Item loot servers for people who don't .

This is the ultimate way to run an MMORPG. People on the item loot server WILL raid too sometimes. People are freaking crazy. These items will be floating around being passed around as trophies and it will OWN.

The stupid writers of that commercial should be shot

"I've gone ahead and equipped my epic axe"

WTF ? Is the sum total of their experience in WoW watching the South Park episode?

Add Asheron's Call 1 to the win list , and Asheron's Call 2 to the FAIL list

The downfall of this game is that it offers nothing else besides hardcore arena style PVP.

In a game with an actual world, quests, and and other things to do besides PVP you CAN still just do nothing but pvp all day and night. Many players choose to do this in WoW for example by just doing arenas and battlegrounds. That option is completely covered.

WoW also happens to have a huge PVE side of things, which isn't appealing to many "hardcore" pvpers IS something that gets experienced by the LARGE majority of the players at some time or another.

So essentially all fury does is completely limit the game play options to one tiny narrow aspect of what any normal game offers.

In my opinion instanced PVP and arena style PvP isn't even real PVP. I would much rather play counterstrike. The entire point of PVP in an MMORPG in my view is to fight over resources such as monster spawns, towns, and further your guilds name. In Asherons Call on darktide for example all we really did was PVP all day, but we could  go out into the world server looking for people who were doing PVE to slaughter. This is a form of PVP that is exceptionally fun and only available in MMORPGs. There were 9 dungeons. 3 low level ones (lugian citadels) 3 mid level ones (olthoi horde nests) and 3 high level ones (black spawn dens) and they were literally "owned" by guilds that constantly had full time PVPers defending them. Other players who enjoyed PVE went deeper inside and hunted while being protected by the PVPers. The guilds also all had towns they owned and re-spawn points (lifestones) that other guilds would try to camp.

Thus we had a massive guild vs guld war with POLITICS involved. MMORPGS are all about politics. If my guild pissed me off I might leave and join the enemy and then begin to fight against my guild instead of with them. If I went around slaughtering innocent players I would be labeled as a "PK" and shunned by "anti-pk" players. The point is it HAD the whole "pvp to your hearts content" aspect like fury, but in addition to this there was a whole HUGE game with politics, crafting, PVE, a random loot system, and resources worth fighting over.

Fury fails as a game because they assume PVPers would prefer to play in a much more limited game that doesn't offer them a single extra benefit for giving all that other stuff up. This was clearly a very false assumption. They looked at it and said "omg pvpers hate PVE lets just make a game with none" but doing PVE or not is an OPTION in most games. There was once a guy who saw kids wearing their hats backwards and he just assumed they didn't like the brim....... so he made hats with no brim. He failed in exactly the same was as Fury.  Taking away an option no one wanted adds ZERO utility. For a PVP player who wasn't going to do PVE anyways all it does it alienate anyone that isn't 100% focused on NOTHING but PVPwhich is the large large large majority of players.

I could write about this all day, but on AC 1 on darktide they put housing barriers up ...... they only really wanted to include them on the NON-PVP servers. The barriers destroyed darktide. if you are "still kicking around" on darktide you are enjoying a game that is a crappy shade of it's former glory. Guilds used to have lifestones that they would use to meet and defend. This was before housing got put into the game where you can just all recall to a guild house. Now.... other guilds could come surround your lifestone.... and when anyone in your guild recalled there or died they would just get jumped again by a huge group of PVPers. This was amazing. YOu could have a guild vs guild war.

Guild on Guild warfare is something distinctly lacking from todays MMORPGs (except eve)

So they added these barriers just for the o.O servers and they put them on the PVP server too..... then they said they could not remove them on the PVP server even tho no Guild vs Guild wars were impossible..... players recalled to housing that was fully protected. Guilds started having "buff bots" that stood behind the barrier all day and did buffs for noobies.....

it's darktardville now. Have fun there.

The thing is the numbers are not officially released, so it's up to journalists to dig up that type of data. I assure you, it is extremely interesting and valuable data for financial companies like trading houses and other competing game companies.

Since the information is not officially released it's up to sites like Mmogdata.com to do research and come up with the best numbers they can. They don't have affiliation or influence from any of the game companies. The only thing that is going to make a site like that successful is being accurate and honest in the long run, so that is what they are obviously trying to do.

With an intellectual property like Lord of the Rings I could make a game in my basement with 3 friends that would have 800,000 accounts. It doesn't matter if the game is garbage with no PVP, it's Lord of the Rings. People from around the world are going to log on just to run around and see Tom Bombadil.

That being said, if anyone could screw it up it would be Turbine. They had a PVP server in AC and they put up housing barriers that protected the guild housing in the game. There was a flourishing amazing guild vs guild war going on and land control system and they threw invincible barriers around every guilds house FOR THE NON PVP SERVERS, and then they refused to remove them on the PVP server. Thus every player quit and found a game that wasn't run by total morons. Never play a turbine game. Playing a turbine game is like being in one of those REALLY dirty japanese prons where they take a dump on you. Turbine took a dump on their paying customers on AC Darktide. That is the only legacy they will ever leave.

The thing that makes WoW unplayable is that I can't talk to alliance ......my guild also can't possibly go "raid" another guild and PVP against them......

There is no world pvp, there are no politics, and thus there is no fun. There is no land control, there are no resources to control / fight over, and there is no penalty for dying other than a short run.......

It's not an MMORPG. It's a chat room.

Yeah,

I like player looting because then I don't have to PVE to get gear ...... no one bothers to do it. I remember in AC when new content would come out no one on Darktide would do it, because the items tended to be to high value to hold onto and thus the PVE was completely pointless on that server.

I refuse to play a PVP game where I have to PVE a ton to compete.  Item loot is the only real way around this. I hate PvE , thus I want item loot off players to ensure that I never am forced to do any type of PVE I don't want to do.

I would be perfectly happy with anti-ganking rules , like "unable to attack people 10 levels lower or more"

I find it funny that you feel the need to attack my desire to play a game that way. It won't effect you if there is an item loot server. You are not forced to play on it. But morons like you who disregard item loot as a desire that can only be had by a ganker impact the likely hood of such a server coming out. I wish I could FORCE you to play on an item loot server like you are trying to force me to not have one available. Then you would know what it really feels like to be the victim of a "griefer" such as yourself who just goes around trying to ruin other peoples fun , even when it won't impact you at all either way.

Hypocrite

Remali, you are absolutely wrong.

You can add it as an afterthought as long as it's only on a few servers, no all of them. Then people who prefer that server over a regular one can play it. Trust me, the server will be full..... even if YOU personally think the game is worse that way. I would never choose a non-item loot server if there was a loot option, no matter how much the game wasn't designed for it.

The reason is because the players and the game rules will eventually settle into a state of equilibrium. I don't care if there are half as many fights per day, or three times as many, and I don't care if people are wearing armor that is considered "trash" on the other servers. What I care about is knowing for SURE that I can attain any item in the game without having to do PVE ....... and to know for sure that my enemies are not gaining advantages over me by doing more PVE with a more organized PVE group.

I don't want people raiding PVE and getting permanent gear upgrades over me. I'm not into PVE.... but I would basically be "forced" into doing it if i wanted to play a game that didn't have item loot...... PVP item loot makes PVE into a punishment for dying in PVP , which is perfect. I hate PVE like I said. It makes a very good punishment for death.

Don't you just love how, in WOW for example, an expansion came out and everyone had to start from scratch with a whole nother huge PVE grind? that is all non-loot MMOs are; farming treadmills. Looting based servers on the other hand are all about player driven content, which is a billion times more fun than PVE . The fact that we are all players and all in the exact same boat is the reason the game is automatically balanced for PVP looting ...... we are all equals. Who cares WHAT it does to PVE..... PVE is for morons.

Just to clarify my point. Look at WoW.... it's CLEARLY not designed for item loot. But if they did make a server where you could loot the items off other players it would be a ton more fun than the current game model. Your theory contends that it's impossible to make a version of a wow server with a more hardcore rules set and some form of item loot that would be fun and popular......
In reality if a WoW server came out with item loot EVEN THO ITS AN AFTERTHOUGHT the server would have well over a 10k queue at all times for the next 6 months (if they only made 1 server like that)......... IMO this is why they don't actually go ahead and do it. It would be too popular!!!!!!! They would HAVE to make like 20+ servers with this rules set just to keep them online as they were flooded with people trying to re-roll there.

It's pretty freaking OBVIOUS that not every single RPVP server aught to have item loot ..........

It also seems extremely obvious that SOME of them should......

I can't imagine them making anyone who wants to roleplay forced to play on an item loot server. I also can't imagine them not including item loot, because it's supposed to be the ultimate PVP game and a lot of PVPers enjoy item loot. Item loot keeps us out of the PVE content , which we hate... but often feel the "need' to do if the items are perma-rewards and that is the only way to attain them.

Thus its CLEAR there will be RPVP server with item loot AND RPVP server without item loot. Unless the people making this game are freaking stupid.....

This is by the guy who made Ultima Online right? So please tell me there is item looting in PVP , at least on a server or two!

I won't play an MMO that doesn't have item looting, because I seriously miss it and I refuse to sink that much time into a game that isn't run the way I want to play.  I wasted way to much time with non-item loot MMOs, it's time for my next game to be a game I really enjoy as much as possible.

People who write things like this are the reason suicide exists.

"I don't find that the PvP in WoW sucks, what I think sucks are the people out there that feel that to have a good time they have to be able to steal something from someone else ie: Looting the vanquished of items. There is a fundamental flaw in the character of an individual that feels the need to deprive something from someone else just to have fun. If you're in the park and knock out a passerby and then take his wallet what does that make you? To put the same kind of activity into a game setting is wrong thinking and caters to the opponents of online gaming.