One day before they announce their Q1 results... a self described "hardcore player" just bought about 11% of their company stock in a private offering.

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aktietorget.se%2FNewsItem.aspx%3FID_News%3D65744%26Language%3D2&act=url

FYI-  After this sale henrick will own about 4% of the stock if my math is correct... (mostly Class A so he will still have about 25% of the votes)

Interesting...wonder what guild he runs with.

Originally posted by Lahuzer

No. What I don't understand is why you and others that play a bugged game like DFUW. Just as buggy as MO, and in a worse state then MO right now.

Obviously most people still playing do not agree with you or we would be playing MO.  Does DF have problems... sure.. same as other games launched for a month.  Some worse and some less.  Feel free to discuss those issues on the DF forums.  After all that is why they exist.  Just like THIS forum exists to discuss MO, of which you are the only fan to post in weeks and even you spend more time talking about DF than MO.. :-)

If AV stole your money or scammed you I really strongly URGE you to go make those claims public in the appropriate spot.  This is not that spot.  THIS spot, and this thread in particular is to discuss the invisible siege from a few days ago in Mortal Online.  Unfortunately SV has once again locked a thread and cut off discussion so this is the best place for such a discussion.

Originally posted by Jakdstripper

ah yes....the ever refreshing thread of "which turd stinks less"....

 

 

 He, and other Mortal Fans just never understand that "some other game sucks more" is not a valid defense.  They are so hung up they think that other folks feel the same way and will get upset if they insult a game you are playing.  I couldn't care less if they attack any game..  Heck here is my list of games I will be playing so they can go get a head start:

Elder Scrolls Online

Pathfinder Online

Camelot Unchained

Shroud of the Avatar

Think that's it, but if I remember another I'll be sure to let Lahuzer know :-)

Originally posted by Lahuzer

 

Well, you wanted me to raise my issues with DFUW at their forums and I said I've done that. I said you should do the same. And the way you act here, with all your 3000+ posts on MO/SV makes me ofc wonder to what lengths you are willing to go to discredit SV. Sry, if I hurt your feelings, but that's just how I see things.

And you seem to be the only one that don't have issues with crashes, server downtime, rollbacks, load lags, ping spikes etc. All the shit that has gone down in DFUW makes MO look like a polished game in comparison the last month, and that's including the happening with the invisible players in MO.

And there IS a difference between unlimitied trial to the new f2p. And that is 500 more skill points!!!

 500 skills pints does not make something a F2P vs an unlimited trial.  You could have it with 500 skills points, 1000, 50, whatever.  The amount of skill points is irrelevant. 

I have a consistent 60 people in my alliance mumble.  More at peak hours.  Obviously we are all enjoying the game.  If you would like to see for yourself I will PM you the Mumble details and you can come look.  You wont have access to hop through channels but you can scroll and see how many people are in there.  And my alliance is small for DF.  Just 3 clans.  If you would return the favor I would be happy to hop into the mumble/vent/TS for your alliance and see how robust the population is.

Originally posted by Lahuzer

 

No. I could care less bout your personal pain or whatever. Get over yourself.

I said this time and time again, and you don't answer it. You play DFUW. The game has issues. Just as much as MO. But you don't get vocal about DFUW issues. Only bout MO. When you play DFUW. Shouldn't you focus on getting AV to sort their shit out, cause that the game you play you know?

And I've raised my issues with DFUW on their forum. Go there and look for it. It's there. It's all bout what I'VE experienced with ping issues and load lag. Your welcome to go to MO forums and raise the issues you have with that game as well. But are you? Nope. At least not under this alias. I at least am open with who I am on both places.

And I've answered bout MO on the review part of the game among other things. You never got back to me there with all the difference of a unlimited trial and what they have now for example.

 To me, DF:UW obviously has nowhere near the issues as Mortal Online did or I would feel the same way.  My issues have always been with the COMPANY.  The ones that used shady tactics (that is how their own official forum moderater described them) and never delivered physical products that they sold.  I have been playing DF with very little problem except for the DDOS attacks over the last few nights.  And for you to blatantly accuse me of making fake account is really low, unworthy, and speaks volumes to the state of your argument.  Even those who most ardently defend StarVault acknowledge that I don't hide behind fake accounts.  MY MO forum account was banned as "persona non-grata" years ago, thus I post here and not there.  As I said previously, I find it very telling that the only MO fan to post here in weeks spends more time talking about some other game than the one he is trying to defend.  It speaks VOLUMES about the state of Mortal Online. 

And there is no difference between what they are calling F2P and an unlimited trial. That was exactly MY point but that was a conversation 4 months ago which you necroed the day the DF:UW review came out...

Originally posted by Toferio

Originally posted by Lahuzer

Originally posted by Toferio

Originally posted by Lahuzer

Originally posted by Toferio

So hey Lahuzer, shall we come back to the topic of MO finally polishing things up with latest patches? Sure, DFUW has its problems but here we see three year old bugs coming back.. It is also interesting to see the thread discussing the issue locked without explanation. Shall we also come back to the topic of censorship? 

P.S. I am also curious to why did OP edit his post, did he get PMs from fans asking to take it down?

Hey. Guess what. The FPS was good for the peeps in that fight. 

Um.. Considering bunch of invisible enemies, no wonder FPS was good. Look at the video posted. The guy must have graphics on bare minimum, there is no foliage except for two bushes on the ground, textures are blurry. And MOs current problems are not FPS, it is the network issues with nodelines, invisible enemies and hits not registering. 

I already answered this. But keep on playing that broken record over and over. The FPS wwas good for the peeps in that fight. And I'm not only reffering to the video. I'm reffering to the thread on MO forums and to what was being said on IRC. And again. Fact remains. The FPS has gone up, and is better for the players after the last performance patch. What you are talking about are bugs, and noone denies there are bugs in MO. Wanna keep on playing that record now?

The one sounding like broken record is you, as I've just explained why FPS was good - the game is ran on minimal graphics to be able to fight. 

He seems to struggle with the very basic concept that FPS goes down when lots of characters are on screen, because most games DRAW those characters.  He seems incapable of making the link that NOT DRAWING the characters (thus invisible) would not impact FPS... Heck, I bet if all characters and environments were invisible his machine could get 400 FPS instead of 40!

Originally posted by Lahuzer

 

 

And you keep missing my points I bring up when I keep on comparing to DFUW. Since you've been here forever, just for "the fun read" and then have over 3000 posts on a game(MO) that your only visiting for "the fun read". When any1 that reads your post clearly sees you have issues with the game and with SV. You then play DFUW, that is the competitor to MO, and they act just as fishy as SV once did, I'm not saying SV did wrong before. Never have. But AV is just as bad and they keep on screwing up their servers, with load lag, ping spikes, rollbacks, crashes, and ofc lie to their players. Last little lie was bout the patch with the first dungeons that would come this week. No patch in sight, and wanna bet they don't release it today? With all this shit in your own game, it's funny that you keep on bashing MO for the same issues, and not do it on DFUW forums here or on their official forums. Nope. You put all your effort in to bad mouthing MO and SV. You say the good review for MO was biased and not reliable, and then go on to praise the review for DFUW when the guy spent most his time ingame with DFUW biggest fanboi RipperX. Yeah, that one wasn't biased at all. Derp.

That's where I brought up the saying "A person living in a glass house shouldn't throw stones". And your not throwing stones, your throwing rocks. If you have these issues with MO, and spend so much time expressing it here. When DFUW clearly has just as much issues. Why not devide the focus. Or rather focus more on DFUW cause that's the game YOU ARE PLAYING, and not focus so much on a game that your not playing, and got your money back from etc. I... just... don't... get...it...

You still don't get it.  DF:UW isn't "MY GAME"... It is an almost certainty that I won't be playing it 6 months from now. You seem to think that by attacking DF:UW you will cause me some sort of personal pain.  I can assure you that is far from the case as I do not draw any sort of self-worth from playing the game.  It could close tomorrow and I would be just fine.. You are welcome to go on their forum and unload whatever you want.  You seem more than slightly obsessed with the situation so I really think you might benefit from hopping into the DF:UW forums and getting it off your chest.  For the past few weeks you have been the only MO fan around these parts... and even YOU don't want to talk about MO... I think that pretty much sums up the sad state of the game after which THIS forum is named.

Originally posted by Toferio

Originally posted by Lahuzer

Originally posted by Toferio

So hey Lahuzer, shall we come back to the topic of MO finally polishing things up with latest patches? Sure, DFUW has its problems but here we see three year old bugs coming back.. It is also interesting to see the thread discussing the issue locked without explanation. Shall we also come back to the topic of censorship? 

P.S. I am also curious to why did OP edit his post, did he get PMs from fans asking to take it down?

Hey. Guess what. The FPS was good for the peeps in that fight. 

Um.. Considering bunch of invisible enemies, no wonder FPS was good. Look at the video posted. The guy must have graphics on bare minimum, there is no foliage except for two bushes on the ground, textures are blurry. And MOs current problems are not FPS, it is the network issues with nodelines, invisible enemies and hits not registering. 

 That is exactly my point.  The guy is bragging about good FPS in a video where the players are invisible.  And somehow does not see the irony of that...

And Lahuezer if you really feel strongly that AV has acted anywhere near as ethically or legally wrong as SV has in the past then I suggest you go address those issues with THEM.  Posting these misguided rants on the MO forum is just silly. You seem obsessed with getting my personal approval of your rants and then get upset when I point out the obvious differences.  I got a full chargeback with interest from Starvault because of their behavior with Mortal Online and their non-compliance with actual laws. I purchased a physical boxed copy of the game and was told not once, but multiple times that they would send out actual working copies of the discs before launch, then after launch, then there would be special in game rewards for people they screwed. None of which happened. If you feel similarly wronged "GO FOR IT"!  But for the last time, this is NOT the place for your discussion and it's really becoming absurd.

Originally posted by Lahuzer

Originally posted by Slapshot1188

Originally posted by Lahuzer

 

Hey. Guess what. The FPS was good for the peeps in that fight. This was a old bug reapearing. Ofc it's not good. Noone said that. But Sebastian said he would look into it come monday. What more is it to say? We will have to wait and see what he finds. He was pretty straight forward with it. Saying it was The worst case scenario. But they didn't censor it. He responded to the thread. Now MO players will have to wait and see. 

And yeah. Sapper did it all for me. Get over yourselfs. He prolly knows I'm the only MO member here to raise my voice from time to time.

And Slappy, you go on and believe it's a attack. These issues have been there for long, but have SPIKED now. Suprise. Welcome to my world. Or wait, us that had these issues prior to yesterday imagined it. Right?

Edit. Also Slappy, since you say you follow the drama on forumfall rather then here. Why arent you more vocal there? Since you jump MO/SV here as soon as you get the chance. Not only fun reading. Common... Your quiet there even though AV fucks things up pretty badly right now. One wonders...? Since you say your not a fanboi to DFUW...

The FPS was good?   Even if it was... the players were invisible... don;t you think that might affect frame rate just a tad?

 

As for DF:UW.. love to chat with you about it but not on the MO forums.

Yes. Read the thread. People had good FPS. It was the ol invisible bug that reapeared. And I give you my blessing to answer bout DFUW here.Since you don't wrote any on forumfall or here except "well done AV. Spot on review". And other lame responses. So go out of the box here. Go crazy. For some1 that only visit MO forum here for the "fun read", but still have over 3000 post here that might be hard for the objectie reader to believe. So, answer. Or don't you have anything to say towards AVs crappy behavior? Answer me this.You were up on flames over that SV autosubbed after The first month. But when AV does the same. Your quiet... One keeps on wondering...

AV "auto-subbed" people that subscribed to the game..

SV auto-subbed people that bought the game a year or so before release... never chose any subscription.. and their TOS specifically stated that you would be charged a subscription AFTER you have chosen a subscription plan AND a payment methodology.  Neither of which happened. 

But heck man, if AV has your knickers in a wad.. feel free to hop on over to their forums and get it off your chest.  I certainly won't stop you.

back to the actual MO stuff.. yes like I said, when you don't have to draw the characters on screen and they are INVISIBLE you can get pretty good FPS... I bet if you turn on FRAPS and look at a black screen your FPS would spike too!

Originally posted by Lahuzer

 

Hey. Guess what. The FPS was good for the peeps in that fight. This was a old bug reapearing. Ofc it's not good. Noone said that. But Sebastian said he would look into it come monday. What more is it to say? We will have to wait and see what he finds. He was pretty straight forward with it. Saying it was The worst case scenario. But they didn't censor it. He responded to the thread. Now MO players will have to wait and see. 

And yeah. Sapper did it all for me. Get over yourselfs. He prolly knows I'm the only MO member here to raise my voice from time to time.

And Slappy, you go on and believe it's a attack. These issues have been there for long, but have SPIKED now. Suprise. Welcome to my world. Or wait, us that had these issues prior to yesterday imagined it. Right?

Edit. Also Slappy, since you say you follow the drama on forumfall rather then here. Why arent you more vocal there? Since you jump MO/SV here as soon as you get the chance. Not only fun reading. Common... Your quiet there even though AV fucks things up pretty badly right now. One wonders...? Since you say your not a fanboi to DFUW...

The FPS was good?   Even if it was... the players were invisible... don;t you think that might affect frame rate just a tad?

As for DF:UW.. love to chat with you about it but not on the MO forums.

Here is one of the videos that were in the original post:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAZ_bmNt50s

Edit to add: Here is the other one http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_pkskU9yNTY

From this thread: http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/threads/large-scale-battle-in-mortal.88035/

Originally posted by Lahuzer

Originally posted by Slapshot1188
Yes.. because hiding the problems and saying "All is well (this time really!)" has worked for the past 3 years...

Noone is saying "all is well". They are crying alot on the MO forums. But as of now, there ain't much they can do. Seb said he would look into on monday. Til then there ain't much peeps can do. How is the ping for you on DFUW? Are you still the only one without any issues?

Are you referring to the DDOS attack last night?  Yeah that sucked but why do you care so much about DF:UW?  This is the MO forum.  I come here for fun reading.  To discuss DF:UW I love wading into Forumfall.

All is well...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAmPIq29ro

Originally posted by Lahuzer

Originally posted by Slapshot1188

Originally posted by Lahuzer

Originally posted by Slapshot1188

1.  Still no response on this this differs from an unlimited trial

2. If what you say is true and 60 skills to 100 skills are meaningless then why have skill ratings at all?  No, actually what you try and claim is blatantly false.  People with low skills hit for less damage, cannot wear good armor (and thus take more damage) and move slower.  There is a reason why everyone gets their skills to 100.

3.  Again, review is 100% spot on.  Even the developer agreed with it with the minor exception of one sub-score.

1. Late response, but old trial were limited to 600 skill points if I remeber correctly. Now you can use all 1100 skill points. Meaning you can test alot of areas, and be good at most, but not the best. and the trial was only 14 days. Now you can play as long as you like. So differs ALOT from the old trial they had.

2. True, but it's like this with most f2p games. Don't see why this would be any different with MO. They need to make money somehow, and if you play the game and enjoy it, then you'll probably pay. What's the problem here?

3. Review is nowhere near 100% spot on. He didn't even leave Tindrem, and didn't even try 1/10 of all the features the game have. It's what some might experience in their first few days of MO, before you rly get into the game, and join a clan, clan warfare, harvest, craft, fish, butcher, tame, join events etc . I would be OK if it was a review of the tutorial of the game. But if your a journalist that is going to review a game, you need to dig deeper. It's like reviewing Super Mario World after playing through the first world only. It just doesn't add up.

1.  My question was "how does this differ from an unlimited trial.  Your response was how it differs from the old Mortal Online Trial.  That of course was not the question.

 

2. Again, not answering the question.  My question was in response to someone saying that it wasn't a big deal to lock the skills and that the difference between 60 and 100 was "meaningless".  So the question was:If it's true and the skills are "meaningless" then why have them?

 

3. You are allowed to have your opinion, even it it is  4 months late.  Probably spurred by the nice review that Darkfall:UW got.  I personally think BOTH REVIEWS WERE SPOT ON.

 

 

1. It differs in you being able to use all of the 1100 skill points. Not limited to 600 skill points.

2. Well, whomever that was is wrong ofc. That doesn't mean that your useless with a skill cap of 60. You could still beat a guy with maxed skills, if you rock in PVP and know your shiiiit. Ofc the odds are against you, but your not useless. The odds are just lower on the other guy winning.

3. Ohh, I haven't even read it. Need to do that and get back to ya. Or respond there. I sure hope he did more then MOs reviewer. I was afraid early on when he had gotten 2k prowess or something from playing the game 20 hours. So need to get back on DFUW review.

But I would never call this a review of Mortal Online. And you agreeing to it being "spot on" ain't a chocker to any1 that knows how you dispise everything with MO and SV. But if one just looks at the job that he did as a journalist objectivly. Reviewing a game. He barely scratched the surface of what MO is about. You call it "spot on". I call it bad journalism.

1. Again.. how does that differ from an unlimited trial?  You still have no answered this question.

2. I agree he was wrong, that is why I responded as I did.

As for your last point.  Every review except the one written by the guy who posted in the "What Can You Do To Support MO" thread was similar (over the past nearly 3 years...).  If it was one oddity you might have a case,  but the overwhelming majority of reviews, re-reviews, re-re-reviews and reviews after 2.5 years of release.. have been similar.  So they COULD all be wrong of course and you could be the only sane person... but I think that's unlikely.  Again though, it's certainly subjective but your opinion is very much outside the norm.

Originally posted by Lahuzer

 

Well it's the same guy that reviewed DFUW. ANd guess what. In DFUW somehow he actually tried being in a clan. And even better. He was in the same clan as this sites own employee RipperX. Who clearly loves the game, and promotes it all over the place. I'm guessing he was "alittle" affected by them. But that's not the point. DFUW shines in clan warfare when you don't crash etc. Just as much as MO shines in clan warfare when the prediction system etc don't fuck things up. But he never even tried getting into a clan in MO, even though peeps reached out to him to help him out, and show him the ropes. He went solo, all alone in Tindrem, never even venturing out into the world. If he clearly had time for all that jazz in DFUW, why not in MO? I think he gave DFUW a rather fair score, but I think he did a rly poor job on MO.

 

Pretty sure that EVERY review (excluding the one written by the guy who posted in the "What can you do to help Mortal Online" thread was very similar.  I am sure they are all wrong.

Originally posted by Lahuzer

Originally posted by Slapshot1188

1.  Still no response on this this differs from an unlimited trial

2. If what you say is true and 60 skills to 100 skills are meaningless then why have skill ratings at all?  No, actually what you try and claim is blatantly false.  People with low skills hit for less damage, cannot wear good armor (and thus take more damage) and move slower.  There is a reason why everyone gets their skills to 100.

3.  Again, review is 100% spot on.  Even the developer agreed with it with the minor exception of one sub-score.

1. Late response, but old trial were limited to 600 skill points if I remeber correctly. Now you can use all 1100 skill points. Meaning you can test alot of areas, and be good at most, but not the best. and the trial was only 14 days. Now you can play as long as you like. So differs ALOT from the old trial they had.

2. True, but it's like this with most f2p games. Don't see why this would be any different with MO. They need to make money somehow, and if you play the game and enjoy it, then you'll probably pay. What's the problem here?

3. Review is nowhere near 100% spot on. He didn't even leave Tindrem, and didn't even try 1/10 of all the features the game have. It's what some might experience in their first few days of MO, before you rly get into the game, and join a clan, clan warfare, harvest, craft, fish, butcher, tame, join events etc . I would be OK if it was a review of the tutorial of the game. But if your a journalist that is going to review a game, you need to dig deeper. It's like reviewing Super Mario World after playing through the first world only. It just doesn't add up.

1.  My question was "how does this differ from an unlimited trial.  Your response was how it differs from the old Mortal Online Trial.  That of course was not the question.

2. Again, not answering the question.  My question was in response to someone saying that it wasn't a big deal to lock the skills and that the difference between 60 and 100 was "meaningless".  So the question was:If it's true and the skills are "meaningless" then why have them?

3. You are allowed to have your opinion, even it it is  4 months late.  Probably spurred by the nice review that Darkfall:UW got.  I personally think BOTH REVIEWS WERE SPOT ON.

Great review.  Agree with all the pros and cons.  Only thing I am not sure about is longevity... as the game just released that is kind of hard to judge.

Originally posted by Lahuzer

 

Well, I did have problems with MO before the latest performance patch. But it did wonders for both me and alot others. I'm guessing you haven't tried it after the latest patch since your one of MOs most infamous critics here alongside Slappy and Hancakes.

Edit. And you won't find thread after thread about performance issues on MO forums now. While DFUW forums is flooded with them.

It's 3 years after release...  only the true diehards remain.  There are thousands upon thousands of new players to DF:UW

And people have been making those same claims about MO being "fixed" for years.  Literally YEARS.  yes, maybe it's a lot better now... maybe not.  Unfortunately, not very many folks seem to care.