Originally posted by Nadia

Originally posted by Kenze
Age of Discovery but unlike all their other expansions its not an "all in one" expansion. meaning id have to go back and buy the other expansions seperately and Im not willing to do that.

as I posted in this other thread

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/334136/Whats-free-and-whats-not-free-.html

all expansions are free though Sentinels Fate - except DOV and AOD

players can level to 90 without buying anything

 

DOV can be bought for 15.00 on the SC store

AOD is a feature expansion w no adventure content, and largely not needed unless you want to play a beastlord

actually DoV is 20$sc but no matter my reasons stand. 60$ is still too much to invest to be on even ground for a f2p game.

teakbois, is that you Smokejumper?

as for trying EQ2 again Im willing  but the thing holding me back is that Im a couple expansions behind and Im willing to buy Age of Discovery but unlike all their other expansions its not an "all in one" expansion. meaning id have to go back and buy the other expansions seperately and Im not willing to do that. Especially when AoD has no real new content, only features.

Originally posted by Sylvarii

Originally posted by Omegam0

Originally posted by Jonolinb

What exactly is wrong with World of Warcraft? I'm just curious as to what you dislike about the game that doesn't hold true for MMOs in general.

 

Also, try the cleric class in Vanguard, if that game is even still running. It seems to be exactly what you want. It also has a paladin class.

There is also a Paladin class in vanguard and from what I can tell is one of the best single target tanks. I recently started one and they have decent survivability due to the heals that they have. (and yes the game is still running).

 

Might as well play a cleric in Vanguard because the cleric is a full bloen healer with great buffs and to top it alll they wear plate armour and wield 2h weapons and 1hand weapons. Swords, hammers and maces,the obly problem is they can take a while to actually killer harder mobs but it gets better with age. A pallys heal are on a timer so dont expect to tank and keep a group alive because you wont.

just a gimmick. I doubt even Bioware will continue with full VO's in futre content.

Originally posted by lizardbones

 

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Originally posted by maskedweasel
Now that the final beta weekend is through.. I don't believe we'll have a weekend test next weekend -- seeing as how the following weekend will be early access... so lets see how many more votes we can get here...
 
 

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The launcher states that if you're a weekend tester, your part in testing the game is done. There is still testing happening with ongoing testers though.

 

actually thats not true beta ended at midnight.. Huge dance party on the Capital Worlds, yipee! 

yep 1-50 shouldve been offline single players game. Once you reached 50 it shouldve become a MMO with a "lobby" type structure and a LFG matching system for instanced dungeons,flashpoints and warzones.

Originally posted by GMan3

Originally posted by Drachasor

Originally posted by GMan3

     Other than that though, I really can not figure out why someone is worried about having a larger variety of abilities.  Last I knew things like that were better for making more interesting gameplay, not less.  Having played games with a lesser number of abilities at higher levels such as the "10 abilities per class at the most " I have to say I always found them extremely dull unless the developers decide to create randomizing alternate animations for abilities, which almost never happens.

Ever heard the phrase "less is more?"  That's what the OP and others are talking about.  A short list a very different abilities can give better gameplay than a long list of abilities that have lots of overlaps.  Think of what Doom would have been like with 40 weapons, but overall little more variety than already existed.

That said, TOR seems to be about the same as WoW when I looked at it with regards to number of abilities.  Since the combat system is largely based on WoW that is not surprising.

    Less is not always more.  Most often less is just less.  Some games make it work, but most do not.  Sorry, I loved the old style arcade games in the mall when i was a kid, but that doesn't mean I want to go back to playing them.

there are most certaily redundant skills though.. why would you need 4 skills that do xx to xxx dmg that all share the same cooldown and the only difference between them is maybe the animations and the names?

another thing that makes it seem overwhelming or too many i guess is the lack of extra hotkeys. if you put every ability on a hotkey you only have maybe 6 for anything else... like potions,custom macros, emotes etc.

Alot of the issues could be alleviated by Bioware adding more hotbars for bottom center.. like  1x3(or4) or 2x2 etcs. They seem to have ignored all beta player threads about this brought up though, so.. 

do not confuse "options" or "variety" with redundant filler abilities. Yes TOR has too many redundant abilities.

^^ beat me to it. 

maybe we'll hear better news tomorrow. 

Better check you status and try to find another source, if possible.

its gonna get boring sooo fast. VOs are not gonna prevent that.

GW2 is the only hope left for the non mediocre mmo we have left

wait and see. DOOM for this game I predict.  Merging of server within 6month will be.

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

Originally posted by Kenze

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

Quite simply put, there are 8 classes on each side..... they are paired in 2's which have some things in common.  But there are 8 classes that play totally different on each side of the fence.

thats a bit of an exxageraion. they do not play totally different. the skills may be named differently but they are basically the same on each side.

Thats what i said 8 classes on each side of the fence... (which are blattant copies of the classes on the other side of the fance)

Basically the Advanced classes are the final 8 classes, and they all play different  from eachother ... but exactly the same as its counterpart on the other side of the fence.  There will be no Jedi consular in endgame, but there will be Jedi Sages and Jedi Shades

ah my bad. i misunderstood. carry on.

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

Quite simply put, there are 8 classes on each side..... they are paired in 2's which have some things in common.  But there are 8 classes that play totally different on each side of the fence.

thats a bit of an exxageraion. they do not play totally different. the skills may be named differently but they are basically the same on each side.

come back dec 2012, seriously

Originally posted by Guileplayer

Originally posted by Kenze

by max level youll have 35+ abilities.. which is alright i guess. what i had sissue with is the UI you can ONLY have 2 hotbars bottom center and 1 on each side. this means for alot of abilities your gonna be search side bars for them in the heat of battle. The UI is very restrictive no resizing or repositioning  :(

That's why you hotkey/bind all your useful abilities.

no, thats why YOU hotkey and bind.  God, can you imagine having to remember the keybinds of 2 dozen or more abilities.. makes my head hurt thinking about it. I will not play a game that expects that of me.

by max level youll have 35+ abilities.. which is alright i guess. what i had sissue with is the UI you can ONLY have 2 hotbars bottom center and 1 on each side. this means for alot of abilities your gonna be search side bars for them in the heat of battle. The UI is very restrictive no resizing or repositioning  :(