there was PvE w/ no forced PvP. 

Vanguard is strictly a BYOG game. (bring your own group)

better ui

more group content

easy grouping tool

less weapon restrictions

better performance

better graphics

1 or 2 more iconic SW PC races(cyborg is not a race. its humans with attachments)

Originally posted by Dekarx12

Also anything half decent on Steam worth getting same catergory? King bounty i heard is ok...

Grotesque-Tactics is a turn based game similar to the old Shining Force/FF Tactics games the graphics are ok on this.

Cthulhu Saves the World

Breath of Death VII

Hero's Tale Enhanced Edition

these are old school turn based rpgs.   NES style graphics though.  should be on steam.

Wakfu, Atlantica, Wizard 101 are the only turn based mmos Ive seen.

Horizons

STO

FF14

Originally posted by Varking

Originally posted by Kenze

Originally posted by Varking

Where did you go to see the servers are empty? Since as far as I can see that isn't true at all.

http://www.swtor.com/server-status

Is it prime time for gaming? Here in the US on the east coast it is 6 AM on a weekday. Out west it is 3 AM on a weekday. Is this surprising? Check back on those during peak hours.

.. i wasnt making a statement about the population.. i was answering YOUR question.

"Where did you go to see the servers are empty?"

Originally posted by Varking

Where did you go to see the servers are empty? Since as far as I can see that isn't true at all.

http://www.swtor.com/server-status

a fanboi thinks  "insert game" and "insert game devs" can do no wrong and feels a personal resposibilty to defend said games and devs against anyone who complains or has issues no matter how valid.

a Hater attacks "insert game/game dev"  without bringing up actual concerns or complaints or issues. They generally jump on the band wagon of anger from people unable or unwilling to bring up their concerns in an adult manner.

Originally posted by Garland7G

its set around the "old republic" era of star wars so like the guy above said, its about 4000 years before vader, luke and chewie.

it has nothing to do with copyrights or anything like that. since bioware made previous games set in this era (kotor) they decided to set the mmo there.

they had to if they wanted so many Jedi/Sith running around

and yet its amazing how the "look" of things  like starships, droids etc havent changed in all those years. like in the smuggler cutscenes at the very begining looks exactly like the Milenium Falcon etc

i think Ill buy it.  heh Ive bought all the rest. I really hope its better than the first.

What I'M looking forward too is Kingdoms of Amalur : Reckoning. The demo came out today and the game release is in the next month or 2.

i hope not.  those days werent really all that fun. they were just all we had at the time.

but you know, if you miss eq and uo so bad they are both still running and nothings stoping you from going back.

I dont Raid. never have probably never will.  most raiders Ive known take the game waaay to seriously and it becomes like a 2nd job to them.  no thanks. thats not why i game.

Originally posted by tom_gore

Nothing?

I wouldn't expect anything to happen with Vanguard before they go F2P with it and gain some new players. Investing in new content for the current 1k (or smth) players would not be a good business move.

 

I figured F2P was the big announcment but i havent read anything of the sort. Anyone playing the game still heard anything from devs or cms?

..big announcement regarding Vanguard?

SPACEBAR NAO!!11!one11eleventy!

Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by teakbois

Originally posted by Loke666

What?

That they wont allow you to create new characters of the race or class unless you buy them is one thing, but not allowing you to play one you already have is the cheapest thing I heard in my life.

Thanks, I was just considering logging on myself, I wont now.

You do realize this is no different then, say, having a level 30 character in LOTRO, coming back to him with the f2p, and not being able to quest anywhere.  LOTRO locks content, EQ2 locks classes/races.  If you make a new character (or unlock the particular class you want) you have access to all the content.

The issue people have is they fail to look at the big picture, only what effects them.  F2p isnt meant to be the prime way to play, its meant as an unlimited trial with the hopes people sub.  However for the people that do want to play for free, there is an insane amount of content they dont have to pay a cent for.  Just have to go with one of the 8 classes.

Its amazing how closed minded people are though.  Everything is a big scam and SoE sucks, because everyone either wants everything catered to THEM, or doesnt take the time to actually look at the full picture.  In the end you may still prefer the pay for content method, but if you think SoE's system is bad or greedy or anything like that then you have major lack of analytical skills, or blindly hate SoE.  Sadly, 95% of the users on this site seem to fall into one of those two groups.

No, the LOTRO guy can log in with his character, I on the other hand needs to pay 15 bucks to unlock my race and class.

I already bought all expansions and played for 5 years, and they want me to pay for the same thing twice. You don't even want to count on how much money I put into the game .

They could at least let me keep my main character without paying for it.

Changing the payment model to get new players into the game is no issue, but screwing over their veterans is not a good idea. Anyone who already have bought the entire game should at least be able to unlock a few things for free, we are the reason that the game even exists anymore and the most likely type to actually buy new stuff as we play.

 

They are NOT asking yo to pay for the game including expansion twice, they are asking for a subscription if you don't want the f2p limitations... And given that unlocking those two things needed is the same cost as one month subscription I can hardly see your point.

 

1 month = $15

2 unlocks = $15

What is the real problem, before this you had to chip out $15 every month to 'unlock' the game, now you need to pay equal amount of money as you did for 1 month and then anjoy the game for free?

sorry but those 15$ are not equal.

the 2 unlocks leaves you with plat cap,quest cap, bag cap, spell cap, weapon/armor restrictions, chat restrictions etc.

the 15$ sub removes all that.

sure you can "play the game for free"  if you dont mind being extremely gimped. They want you to think your getting a good deal but youre not.

Originally posted by Nadia

Originally posted by Kenze
Age of Discovery but unlike all their other expansions its not an "all in one" expansion. meaning id have to go back and buy the other expansions seperately and Im not willing to do that.

as I posted in this other thread

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/334136/Whats-free-and-whats-not-free-.html

all expansions are free though Sentinels Fate - except DOV and AOD

players can level to 90 without buying anything

 

DOV can be bought for 15.00 on the SC store

AOD is a feature expansion w no adventure content, and largely not needed unless you want to play a beastlord

actually DoV is 20$sc but no matter my reasons stand. 60$ is still too much to invest to be on even ground for a f2p game.

teakbois, is that you Smokejumper?

as for trying EQ2 again Im willing  but the thing holding me back is that Im a couple expansions behind and Im willing to buy Age of Discovery but unlike all their other expansions its not an "all in one" expansion. meaning id have to go back and buy the other expansions seperately and Im not willing to do that. Especially when AoD has no real new content, only features.