Originally posted by JonnyWarhawk

 

Originally posted by Highguard

Dude...you were alluding that the people who play wow are loosers in a social aspect. I just rebutted your argument.  I am sure you love Eve and i did it too for a brief stint. But it doesnt mean that you should start calling players of some other mmo franchise names  especially without having anything concrete to base your facts on.

 

1) I said sometimes (and I know it's most of the time but I said sometimes to make it less offensive).

2) You provided no evidence so you were far from rebutting.

3) I played the game for 2 years ( http://s96.photobucket.com/albums/l176/jleack/World%20of%20Warcraft/ ). I would say I have lots fo base my facts on since I did everything in the game up to Karazhan and completed it.

4) I didn't call anyone. I don't even have anyone's phone number from this site.

5) WoW REQUIRES you to raid which has you sitting at your computer for 4-6 hours straight without really getting up. Talk to a psychiatrist and ask them about WoW. EVE isn't even in the same boat my friend.

All in all, anything CAN be hazardous to anyone but I have found that through my journey through MMO's that WoW is the most dangerous of them all. Period.

Well i dont know about what kind of hardcore raiding you did.  My lvl 70 mage never spent more than 4 hours on a raid. And that  used to be on my time whenever i had free time...sometime weeks went by and i never raided. My  guild runs instances on weekdays, weekends regularly and are very accomdating with everyone schedule and life style needs. Also most of my gear came from doing PVP in Battlegrounds and Arenas which is lot more fun than running pve oriented instances and the gear you get is nothing to shun at either.  To this date with wow whether it be raids or pvp, i never really felt the need or ever had to religiously sit in front of my computer  for 4-6 hours straight without really getting up like you claim.

On the other hand with Eve I did feel the need that as time progressed i will have to play it religiously for 4-6 hours a day in order to progress.  Eve kind of  insures that kind of playstyle if you want to get those shiny big ships, keep your ship and equipment up to date, upgrade your equipment, keep training with the ever climbing skills costs, the insurance costs etc.

Dude...you were alluding that the people who play wow are loosers in a social aspect. I just rebutted your argument.  I am sure you love Eve and i did it too for a brief stint. But it doesnt mean that you should start calling players of some other mmo franchise names  especially without having anything concrete to base your facts on.

Bravo...a great reply.  I am speechless  

Originally posted by JonnyWarhawk

EVE can be your best bet. Personally, I only find FFXI, WoW and EVE worth your monthly payments. They each have different pro's and cons but if you're looking for something that feels polished and just gets better then EVE is your deal. It's also potentially less "hazardous" to your social skills as opposed to WoW which will make a normal guy a loser (sometimes).

I beg to differ. Eve also has the potential and perhaps even a bigger potential to make a person acquire negative social skills and hence veer dangerously towards becoming a social misfit and sometimes a looser.

The enormous time-sinks required to play the game can make a person become a virutal secluse from real life.  The game encourages openly anti-social activities like smuggling items which can range from contrabands to  forbidden cargo, bribbing people, open ganking/griefing in pvp, setting up ambushes and than asking players to surrender their cargo, money etc for safe passage than destroying them anyways including podding etc. Even the staff of the parent company of this game is known to play the game anonymously and under the table help their guilds and friends with unique items etc to give them advantage over regular customers(this is good one) and the list goes on. ....

Eve might be niche game with its own appeal but i think its just naive to claim that this game is not as "hazardous" to someone social skills as Wow or any other popular mmo.

Originally posted by Vivix

 

I actually went to WOW after this game and has never looked back. To me that game is anti-thesis of everything i found negative in this game. PVE/PVP is just fine there with a perfect blend of solo and group content.

 

 

Well, you are looking back. After all, you took the time to post!

I guess if the game were for everyone, everyone would be playing it.

Still, I know what it's like to feel that kind of antipathy toward a MMO game. In my case, the game was a MUD, GS3/IV. I finally gave up the game in disgust.

Divorcing from a game, well, can feel like divorce.

Well this thread showed up on the front page of this site. So i clicked on it and boom i was here. It was enough to rub some salt into my old wounds. So i decided to post and vent some.

Now I feel much better.   Ofcourse i might be biased in my vent but truthfully that is exactly how i feel about Eve.

Originally posted by Mark701

I played Eve for over 3 years before I quit. I loved the fact the game didnt consist of slaying orcs and dragons, but found the following things, over time, led me to quit.

1. It is a HUGE time sink. Everything takes a lot of time to accomplish. Whether you're traveling, mining, in a war, etc. it all took way more time than I had to devote to it. One good thing is that you don't actually have to play the game to continue to train. At least for a while. But when training manuals start costing tens of millions of isk to purchase you have to be able to spend significant time, in game, to get what you need.

2. I don't mind pvp. However, there is a point, in my opinion, where it becomes a serious nusance. As one poster mentioned, there really are no safe areas in the game and that is correct.  Even so called "secure" systems aren't really secure due to suicide gankers and griefers. Many players lost EVERYTHING they owned when the loaded freighter they were flying in a secure system was suicide ganked at a "secure" gate. And whereas you can insure your ship, you can't insure what you put in it ,so the loss, is permanent.  Eve players claim its all part of the dynamics of the game which is true, but those dynamics are brutal. Something to keep in mind if you decide to play.

3. It might be just me, but I don't like being told what to do in a game. My time online is important for me to complete the things I need to do. However, if you become part of a corporation the time will come when everyone will be expected to sacrifice time, money and ships to whatever confiict your dumbass CEO has gotten you involved in. This will inevitably lead to you losing ships, which is fine, except that being at war makes it  difficult to mine safely  to make more isk to build more ships. If you've been playing for a while and have built up some reserves, this will be only be an inconvienience. However, if you have limited on-line time or are a newer (less than a year) player it will become a burden unless you have some very generous people in your corp.

4. There have been instances where a game developers (who often play in anonymously in corporations) have aided their corp with special blueprints, intel and equipment. THIS IS A VERY BAD THING and has pissed alot of people off. It was a terrible breach of trust and left many feeling cheated. In retrospect, I think it soured me on the game, even with assurances that it wouldn't happen again.

I could go on but there's really too much to talk about.  The game is unforgiving and takes large amounts of time to play sucessfully.  If you don't mind that, then you'll be happy playing Eve.  After 3+ years, it just wore me out so I left. (and no, you can't have my stuff).

WOW....................this gentleman took the words right out of my keyboard. I played Eve for 6 months and quit it exactly for the reasons stated above.

1)Massive timesink. Really not very solo friendly.

2)PVP though fun really becomes way too cut-throat and brutal for a newer or a solo player.

3) Yep the Corp's. Some people take the game way too seriously. The Corp i got accepted to interviewed me 3 times over. Each time with the next tier of corp officers wanting to ask me morre questions etc. I have to setup an appointment with them and show up during those time and be asked rather mundane and sometimes ID10T questions. I was asked for a fourth interview and i told them to ---- it. Guess what they hired me...total BS if you ask me.  And than yes, they act like they own you and your gameplay time. They also expect you do everything on their whims which just gets really irritating after a while. I really dont like to take orders all the time especially not in a game but to survive in Eve you have to be part of a Corp and have to put up with lots of stuff just to be able to play and advance in this game.

4) Frankly to me this game has no real purpose to it. Just flying around being a spaceship either mining, blowing things up or getting blown up(which happens a lot more) and thus loosing money esssentially your ships, cargo and even your clone. The Graphics are awesome but they only go so far. And the lack of an Avatar system really contributes to people getting bored and burnt out of this game.  I like to sometimes disembark from my ship, visit a cantina or inn in a space station, talk with other people avatars or just plain walk around. This makes me feel like a living breathing person in a virtual envoirment. This missing social aspect is crucial to an MMO and is perhaps 'THE' biggest negative point about this game. Overtime this game begans to feel almost like a second job for which you happen to be paying.

I actually went to WOW after this game and has never looked back. To me that game is anti-thesis of everything i found negative in this game. PVE/PVP is just fine there with a perfect blend of solo and group content.

This game seriously needs a land based component otherwise it get just too boring travelling around as a space-ship after a while. MMO's need some physical social interaction in form of Avatars that are more than a shiny potrait.  I left this game in about 2 months time because running around as a spaceship just  got too boring and lethargic for me. When i play mmo's i like to see other players avatars moving about, and inteacting which is an important factor towards the virtual world and social aspects. This game seriously fails at thisessential facet of an MMO.

This game can really get lots more susbcribers if they can atleast give the characters an opportunity to move about on the space station they so frequently dock at and interact with np'c and other players at cantina etc. Now if they can add planets that can be visited that will be really awesome in my book and might make me come back to the game for a long haul.