The problem with PE is they spend so much money of marketing and online guerilla tactics. STO-NET as the preferred fan site, hiring a STO-NET mod as a blog writer. It's so ridiculous.

I had a thread locked just now. Why? Because it was too threatening to PE and STO-NET, and the mods sent over this Suricrata guy and some cronnies and they flammed it up and took it off topic and despite my pleas for them to leave they did get it locked. That's what PE and STO-NET do. They are approaching the status of an evil empire.

Discuss the original post. Stop attacking each other and name--calling. Nobody can tackle the points raised in the original post can only mean nobody is able to do so. Thus it STILL stands.

Originally posted by Keogh

 

Originally posted by Suricata

I don't have the exact numbers, I'm a moderator afterall, not an admin, however, the site traffic is steady and the numbers are increasing still, more so since the devs started the devlogs.

Its definatly 'alot' more that the STO section here though and for the record, the number of posts edited or removed at STOnet is actualy 'very' small and most are blatent flames that would be deleted no matter what forum they were posted on in all fairness. Most topics that dissapear are either removed as they are duplicate or are actually merged with current threads discussing the same subject.

Also, I'd like to point out that if you look at my post history I have disagreed with some things PE has said,. as have the other staff at STOnet, to make claims on what each staff member thinks in regards to STO or PE is complete speculation and in most cases , twisted to suite the agenda of the person posting anyway. It sure is nice thoguh that people make posts over at STOnet about how nice we are and then come here and make hate posts about us, and then make threads about morals and lying. Its amazing how people can have respect for people running a site but at the same time send hatemail to them in PM's, lol

 

 

What I have said here is that STO.net is a cult of PE worshiping sycophants controlled by a totalitarian regime.

 

 That is spot on, Keogh. And the best thing they do is indeed the artwork, and that is the communities creative work. Mind u, they censor those too if they comment neg. on PE.

 Sorry, Suricrata. I know maybe the Mein Fuher over at STO-NET land sent you over here to defend them, but we know what you guys are. Your rambling defense helps nothing.

 Why do u care if I have alternate screennames? Obviously STO-NET and their goons are keeping a constant eye over here, and u guys now need list of names and aliases? BIIIIG BROTTHER!!

 I have a couple of blogger names. I am not a spammer blogger though. I would never knowingly post in a forum under two names. I only used two when I was banned from STO-NET. This is Warrior and Simeet promise.

 Let's get the discussion back to my OP, which still has not been demonstrated to be wrong.

  The STO-NET sent some thugs here, Graff and Suricrata. They are just flaming people here and trying to get this thread locked. Someone report them and stop responded to them, PLEASE.

 This is about Star Trek Online and the points raised about PE and the problems with its development. Don't let the STO-NET get this thread locked up because they are trying to turn into a big ban event.

Listen Graff, provide good reasons why you should be optimistic with PE? You just troll and flame other posters. You have no grace

Get over yourselves, STO-NET. I nor nobody else hates you guys, and nobody thinks you guys are all bad. So wipe away the tears, mmmkay? That being said, STO-NET is not a fair representation of the community.

If PE dropped new interviews or blogs here at MMORPG STO as a first bid, then this place would rock in guest visitors too. Nothing STO-NET does it special, they just agree with PE all the time and so PE has no worries about going to a Orwellian fan site. Mr. Blinky himself told me he won't post at MMORPG because he feels it is too heated. Jeez, you can't stand the heat then get out of the kitchen, and go STO-NET.

The only admirable thing you guys do is have those starship design submissions and original artwork.

Anyways, still no reasoned rebuttal to my OP. I guess it stands on its own.

Originally posted by mackdawg19

Seeing as beta has not started for STO, how would anyone know other than checking out the development articles and looking at the art. PE wont hurt STO in no way, shape or form. I see it as being hilarious that you guys hate PE decision making for not putting out GnH. If you beta tested it you would know why they stopped making it. It was a very unfinished product and needed alot of work in a short amount of time with no cash. STO has always had more potential then GnH but they really wanted to come out with a starter game. Ask me this question. Did you really expect PE to put out GnH in its condition? If soo then would you of been the same person who comes here to whine about a shooty game that is beyond broken? All these remarks about PE taking STO and ruining it are moot points. Until we see a product or a video atleast then you really cant judge it, can you? No matter what anyone thinks, they did the right thing. And they will do the right thing with STO. If not then you wont see it because PE wont allow you pay money for garbage. If only more companys saw it this way, maybe some of the people who played games like VG or HGL wouldnt of had to spend 60 bucks on nothing. This is how I see it, id rather them waste there millions developing the game just to find out it sucks and not release it, then me pay 50 bucks for it. My 50 bucks is > than their 5 mil.

  PE only dropped G&H because SOE would not publish it, PE had no money left to polish it. Basically, PE would have been happy to take your money and play a boring MMO.

Originally posted by Suricata

For you enjoyment, I'll actually make a post here. I closed the thread, You only set it up there to start a flame war against PE. Just like the thread here is intended to do. Now I'm sure you'll all start crying about how much of a fanboy I am and how much money PE must be paying me, but you know what? I'm not overally fussed. I spend a fair few hours a day helping out at STOnet, I do it for free, because I love Star Trek and I love the idea of a Star Trek MMO. I havn't been offered beta keys, or a job at PE either.

STOnet 'is' a fansite, it is 'not' run by PE and yes, the site may seem a bit 'pro' PE, but then what do you expect for a 'fan'site for a game. If we hated PE and wanted to get STO canceled we'd of called the site 'anti'STOnet. So its hardly surprising that people there are positive about Star Trek. I find it odd that people so pro STO can try and make petitions to have the game canceled as though that will somehow result in a better game been made or in the game been released sooner, moreso when some of the people involved are developers for competing companies with PE, no agendas there?

You know this place would probably have a bit more traffic if every thread didn't get turned into a 'why STO will suck and the world will end' thread :-)

  The truth is PE has a horrible record, and you guys defend everything PE does, will take any position as long as PE takes it. It's sad, really. What make it even more awful is your so-called "Official preferred community fan site" will delete posts, censor posts, have mods dominate posts, and propogandize everything on your site to benefit the image of PE.

  It's a joke, PE trashed its G&H bet players and out of the blue dropped the servers. No warning. No week long goodbyes, nothing for all the beta players trouble. Just adios. PE does not give a dang.

 Come one, STO-NET. We all know what you guys are. You guys really do not think people like your site do u? If you guys had your mods stay out of the debates, and did not delete contrary opinions, and listened to the community and respected them, you would have 5X as many guests and members.

Short and sweet. That was the life of the post. STO-NET shut it down not even 5 minutes later.

But the post did not break any rules and guidelines at STO-NET you ask? Too, bad says STO-NET. Because "originally" it contains an attack on STO-NET. Even though it was deleted out, it still counts since it was not deleted here. Sounds like a grudge to me.

STO-NET is now locking threads if they SUSPECT the thread will turn into anything but a PE lovefest.

It's easy, you don't have the talent to make it, or your investors would rather bet on a WoW-rip off.

ANYWAYS, I POSTED MY ARTICLE AT STO-NET. I EDITED ANY PERSONAL ATTACKS TO STO-NET, SO I HOPE TO SEE THE RESPONSE THERE FOR A WHILE, UNLESS IT GETS YANKED TOO SOON.

I appreciate your input, but the facts do not support your arguments. Nowhere is it stated that most of the G&H team was hired for STO. At most we know of 5. PE will have to hire new people and train them.

STO is not set in the same time period as JJ Abram's "STAR TREK." STO is set post-Nemesis, while STAR TREK XI is before TOS-era. Much different story, plot, setting, and technology. Besides, I don't think STO will be ready by 2008. If it is release early, it will be buggy and incomplete.

The problem with G&H was not that it was progressing too slowly. I read a lot of beta reviews. The game was troubled, and obviously PE was not putting the time and money into it to fix bugs, stabilize servers, expand content, develop new features, and polish the game. That PE was preparing to release the game by early 2008 is a terrible sign of PE's management. Sorry, G&H was a full development title and I am sure tens of millions was poured into it. It's failure is a bad sign for STO.

Originally posted by DixonHill

My god...

it seems as many of the great mmorpg community are not very experienced, no infact, many here are extreme naive.

"PE lied! *cry*"

What the heck do you guys expect? PE is not your best friend! Of course they say, their games will be AAA MMOs, everyone says that, and it would make no sense saying, "hey we are making a game, probable it will be crap."

And then, the idea of writing a message to paramount, to make them aware of the situation....lol! Of course they are aware of nothing UNTIL the brave MMORPG Comm tells them about bad bad PE. And then what? Yeah, they will take away the ip of PE because you people suggested it? oO

And warrior...healthy discussion? Here is nothing like that going on, everyone saying you are right and pe sucks is not a discussion.

 

My god....well this subforum is an exact mirrorimage of STO.net. Here are very few defenders, there very few offenders you could say so, i think. But there is one fact: This " mighty force of truth-Subforum-Community" is very small, compared to STO.net...they stand "togehter" (almost, hehe) You cant change a damn thing. If someone can change something, then the STO.net comm. They are a COMMUNITY.

 

Go ahead warrior, post this thread on sto.net. Or are you afraid of  the "little less" acceptance you would get?

  Spare us the big bully routine. And everything in your post was wrong.

  1) Everyone here did not agree with me. I count at least 4 who have not, so far.

  2) Nobody considers PE their best friend. But it is odd to have called G&H a AAA MMO, when it obviously never was, and then keep calling STO the same thing?

  3) This forum is not the mirror opposite of STO.net. The mods here will delete swear words, and ban trollers. But they will not jump into the debates, nor will they try to dominate the same debates they can censor. Most people here back up what they say with well-reasoned arguments not blind hatred nor blind love for PE, and at STO-NET they really can't say much these days except "Ohhh I can't wait for STO so bad I am gonna wet my pants." or "Thank God G&H is cancelled now it is so good for STO!!" It really is quite sad.

 4) Yeah, STO-NET sure does "stand together." Much like a worship cult called Perpetual's Gate.

 5) There is a reason STO-NET has more guests than MMORPG STO. IF you Google Star Trek Online, PE's STO site and STO-NET come up 1st and 2nd. MMORPG comes up on the 4th and 5th page of Google. Since PE links to STO-NET, and thus you have it. A tiny minority of guests who visit STO-NET actually become a member and post. And lately STO-NET has been equally active as MMORPG STO.

Basically, STO-NET had a lot of varied people before, but when PSIs were anounced to be out of the game, there was a 60 plus page thread discussion on it. It was a furious debate. I would say during early 2007 there were hundreds of pages of threads about PSIs there. A lot of the dedicated STO fans have left in resignment. So what you see at STO-NET is the hardcore PE fans who just want to play STO no matter what.

8) No, besides your personal attacks, can you respond to anything in my post? Do you really still support, PE. DixonHill? You trust them to make a genuine AAA MMO, no PR tongue in cheek?

YES, I WILL POST THIS AT STO-NET. TOMORROW. UNLESS IT IS DELETED, YOU CAN ALL SEE THE FIREWORKS. I WILL HAVE TO EDIT IT A BIT THOUGH TO MAKE SURE IT DOES NOT GET ME BANNED.

Originally posted by Javamancer

Hopefully, the G&H abortion will lead Paramount to pull the Star Trek license from PE.  It's painfully obvious at this point that the only hope we have of playing a good Star Trek MMO is if someone other than PE develops it.

If PE does somehow keep the license and manages to poop out STO, it'll be a fiasco of SWG proportions.  We'll be crying on this board for 5 years wondering when the license expires and when Bioware will develop STO 2.

I am glad to see some healthy discussion of my post, and it is unimaginable for me to see a few PE defenders here who only response is to insult me.

I think it is becoming impossible to defend PE without losing credibility. Altough I admit we can all defend their marketing skills, which I am sure they will utilize for STO.

I think it is disgusting that gamers were misled about G&H for years, and they were cut off from the beta after years of PE promising everything was OK.

STO has been in some kind of development since 2004, and like G&H it was expected by PE to be released years earlier in 2006. Now I want to inform gamers here of all the facts about PE and STO so they will not be muddled like G&H fans were.

Hey everyone. The recent developments here have been troubling, and I just wanted to post in detail a warning that PE cannot be trusted to deliver STO as a quality and original MMO, and I advise those who have high hopes for STO be be cautious and realistic. PE may surprise us all, but I think the chances are almost null, it is better to go outside and make friends than wait for PE to come through.

PE= Perpetual Entertainment
STO= Star Trek Online
G&H= Gods and Heroes: Rome Rising
PSIs= player ship interiors
DS= Daron Stinnett
STO-NET = www.startrek-online.net 
SOE= Sony Online Entertainment

SOLID EVIDENCE PE WILL SCREW UP STO BADLY (not in any particular order)

1) The cancellation of G&H. This was PE's only MMO in development. Over at the "official preferred STO-NET fansite" (official PE worship cult, the only place PE devs will dare post), many of the hardcore PE defenders have said the failure of G&H was a good thing for STO. It's such a warp of the truth. The reality is the failure of G&H solidifies the contention that PE is not a competent company.
 - G&H was originally supposed to be released Q4 of 2005. That means the game must have been in development for years before. PE labeled G&H a triple AAA world class MMO many, many times. Their official site for G&H was glossy and the game trailers promised a groundbreaking and exciting game. Yet, the game was delayed year after year. Finally, in late 2007 PE canned it.
 - G&H was canned because the game stunk. Period. Don't let people say that it had anything to do with STO. If PE was a quality company, G&H would have been out the door by now and making money. But the fact is the game was so poor and unimaginative, PE (And SOE) recognized that publishing it would not even be worth the cost monewise or to their reputation. Beta reviewers have called the game awful and buggy and crashy and a glaring WoW copycat. After at least 5 years of development, this was the best PE could do. And STO was held up for years because of it.
 - The whole handling of the mess of G&H highlights the facts that PE has no management. It does not matter who the investors, obviously the people who run this small newbie company cannot hold to their schedules, cannot product quality products, and cannot tell the truth in any form to their gaming audience. But they do have a world-class marketing department, for sure.
 - G&H was not cancelled to make way for STO. If PE had some management, they would have developed STO first. G&H was cancelled because it was hopelessly bugged and PE did not have the money and time to fix it. PE basically went bankrup, hence the need for new investors, and why G&H was scrapped and STO now is in full gear. This speaks nothing but bad news about STO, because the same people are still running PE.

2) No PSIs and No Playable Non-Federation Species. Would it be so hard to put in one or two enemy races? That would satisfy those who want combat without taking away the Federation peaceful exploration side, and the ship interior experience.  When STO was first announced back in 2004, they warmed up to the online community and promised an authentic Trek MMO.

Whether it was Trek fans, of sci-fi fans, or those wanting an original and immersive MMO space experience, PE basically promised they would target them and not produce a generic MMO, because they wanted to be groundbreaking. In what seems like a alternate Daron Stinnett, among his first online posts was this:" ..I think the most vital issue is for us to clearly understand our target within the range of Star Trek Fans. Sure, we’re hoping to attract gamers and MMORPG players, but I think it is safe to assume that most everyone that will be playing will have some level of affinity for Star Trek. "  Daron even said this to the online communiy: " You play an important role as our advisors, critics, and ultimately the core of the game community that, if we do our job right, will help propel STO to the level that exceeds that of any MMO before. "

Perpetual-Mitch said this:" Its funny, but the decision to go federation mainly because we could make the game deeper and more interesting to trek fans. If the trek fans don't care about that, then perhaps we did error. An all out wargame is easier in many ways to make, more engineering and less art."

Why the uproar about PSIs? Because before PE said this:" But we HAVE to break the mold (in both senses of the word) or this will end up as everquest in space. We want people to break the rusty habits, and we want people to know this star trek game is very different, fun, interesting and worth a try. This is far better then 'going the easy way' by taking a nice RPG and put some different models in it
However, Casual groups are not as significant in ST:O as they are in most MMOs.
Most advanced players will live in a ship that is owned by another player (or themselves). These people can form 'groups' for away missions and such, but we're trying to put the focus on permenent crews as the common social grouping. Even if you aren't a 100 person fleet/clan these ships have all the same tools and benefits that such a organization would have."

Lead Designer Glen Dahlegren, who worked on STO until sometime in 2006, was a big proponent of the Trek experience, and in blogs and interviews he consistently espoused the imporatance of player ship interiors and the crewed gameplay experience. He did promise player ships would have key features such as a Bridge, Engineering, Holodeck, and Quarters.

Times were different then, now Daron and PE dismisses the community, and has admitted that PE intends to make a traditional RPG that is "not for Trekkies." Any concerns, he asks, but "don't worry, there is plenty of time to cancel your subcription." The importance of player ship interiors have been dismissed as well. PE hardly ever  communicates with the community, and still there is no official forum up.



3) PE propping up STO-NET as a "official preffered fansite." This was a slap at the broad community. Instead of putting up their own forum, they exhalted the one fansite that they ever blogged or gave information first to. The other fansites were ignored and thus died. STO-NET is run by a handful of full-time mods and hardcore PE defenders who will defend PE at nearly ever turn, and shut down criticism with heavy handed moderation and will not hesitate to censor and delete posts if they choose to. At least one STO-NET mod was hired by PE to be a community manager, and he posted one dev blog.
The STO-NET people will dance to whatever tune PE wants. For example, before 2007 PSIs were considered a give-in and PE was for some time promising them. The STO-NET mods thus strongly supported crewed player ships with interiors as key to gameplay.

One major mod said this:
"Player commanded ships are not built this way (which makes Ship Assault possible). In addition, we're not limited to the bridge and engineering as instanced areas; we'll instance quarters, holodeck, and whatever else makes sense."

Another mod said this:
"I would like Startrek Online to be very team based. For casual players the team would be different every time they play, but I absolutely don't like the idea of people having a ship, shuttle or even fighter all for themselves. If you grant people this possibility the number of players playing this way will be huge and in my eyes it's one of the easiest ways to destroy the Startrek feeling of the game. I like the idea of large ships where people (who don't neceserally know each other) team up for an away mission or starbases where starships can pick people up if they have a incomplete crew at the moment or need an extra man for a certain mission.- "

Yet another mod commented:
"As a 'hardcore' fan and gamer myself, I want the Star Trek experience, I want to feel like I am really part of something bigger, contributing towards the running of a starship and the Federation as a whole, working with other players as my crew to complete missions that rely on teamwork, while I know there will be those who want to go it alone through the game, I'm hoping teamwork, working with other players is highlighted as the path through the game."

And when PE came out in late 2006 and began speaking about player ships as "mounts," similar to Wow, STO-NET began changing their tune to fit PE's vision, to the outcry of the broad community. And in early 2007 when PE answered point blank that player ships would only be viewed from the exterior, STO-NET strongly supported PE's decision.

Now STO-NET is basically run by a few dedicated mods who will jump in and defend PE to any criticism, and defend every gameplay decision PE has made. No ship interiors at all. How can STO-NET be considered a community site for STO? Polls taken on the issue of ship interiors such as this one http://www.startrek-online.net/messageboard/showthread.php?t=8319&page=45 show that gamers took the news of no ship interiors very seriously, yet the mods dismiss the polls. PE dismisses the controvery as well.

4) PE now preparing STO be a dumbed down, combat-oriented, cookie-cutter MMORPG.
The March 2007 interviews with the German and French fan sites demonstrated that even going to Europe could not escape questions about player ship interiors and gameplay. PE admitted that there will be "100s and 1000s or upgrades, and weapons and armor." So all this time PE has been developing artwork for armor, ships, phasers, and items to upgrades. The ships in STO have been descirbed as "battleships" in style and look. PE is indeed taking STO to a new direction, a more combat-oriented and destructive direction.

Daron Stinnett, the lead game producer, dismisses the Trek fans and those expecting gameplay to go beyond WoW or LOTRonline.
Said Daron:
"Some on this board will ask why we're not going to go in a totally new direction. The easiest answer is that this team really enjoys MMORPGs so our goal is to take what we enjoy to new heights. The other answer is that it would be irresponsible to take a major license to risk on a totally new direction. Come on guys. If you don't like MMORPGs, you're barking up the wrong tree. Did you have this combat debate for the Elite Force games?"
Elite Force series was not a MMO game, that did not require a monthly fee and a internet connection.
"If you don't think you could ever enjoy a mainstream MMORPG, I'm not sure why you think STO will make you suddenly start enjoying the genre."


5) PE has blatantly LIED to the media and community

They never told thee truth about the development of G&H and they spin every bad truth about their company. For years, we were told delays were because of fine-tuning. In winter 2006, they laid of 30 workers from the G&H team, and in spring 2007 they laid of about 40 workers from the G&H team. Rumors spreak that PE was in financial trouble, and that G&H was not up to par. (Both were FACT). Yet, PE spinned along with STO-NET and they said they were letting go engineers who were no longer needed since G&H was content complete and just needed some polishing. When SOE dropped publishing rights to G&H in mid 2007, rumors spread that even SOE did not want to tarnish their reputation with G&H (Now HIGHLY LIKELY To be TRUE). PE and STO-NET spun that to say that it was no big deal, and PE would publish the game themselves. PE was calling G&H a AA world-class title until the end.

The TRUTH is G&H was too horrible to even release. It had nothing to do with STO. PE failed to manage G&H and it was a poor game that was so late it could not be delayed anymore, because money ran out. PE as supposed to have G&H out years earlier, to fund STO. PE has had no money, and whatever investors they have now they probably are telling them to hurry STO and make it as mainstream and WoW-like as possible. At least PE is being HONEST about their intentions with STO direction.

But they are calling STO a AAA world-class MMO now too. Do you believe them?

PE has been spinning the whole ship interior controversy. In interview after interview they have misrepresented what the community wants. Daron says the the community wants to have capital ships as their own WRONG. He is spinning it to make the no PSI decision to look good.

Even the latest interview, this one with MMORPG, the PE heads spun G&H, saying it was cancelled only so PE could focus on STO . It was not as simple as that. PE wasted 5 YEARS on G&H, and they did not just happen to make that decision. PE would have released G&H as it was if they could, they did not have a publisher and they ran out of money.

Can you belive anything PE and STO-NET says now? I am disgusted with PE and all their propogandazing and cheap marketing tactics. Their product stinks.

The Star Trek IP has been battered a lot the past 10 years, with lame movies, uninspired TV shows, and crap games, and it looks like PE wants to join the crowd. The Star Trek IP nevertheless has weathered such terrible treatment and maintained such a loyal and dedicated fanbase because of its redeeming qualities, an optimistic vision of the Space Age future, its futuristic gadgets, its teamwork and cooperation among all races and species to pursue peace. PE, like some before them, want to crap on what Trek stands for and try to just cash in on its popularity. Bethesda has done it with Star Trek Legacy too. Ultimately PE will fail and even if they make some money with the Trek IP they reputations as a gaming company will never recover. And STO will never be a long-lasting MMO.


"We're not making a game for Trekkies, but a killer MMO." If you don't like that, I guess Daron would say, "don't worry, there is plenty of time to cancel your subcription!"

Good points, Keogh. But I would ask for the entire city to be accessible. Perhaps a block or two, the rest a backdrop. And not all buildings.

I think technical limits are relevant. Its not possible to do everything, because of hardware constraints and bandwith limits.

Thats one of the reasons why I think STO is too big of a title to be released right now. Maybe PE is not ready to do it a good service. But maybe it would be best to wait 10 years until a much more developed and immersive and detaield world can be developed. Gaming technology is headed in that direction, just look at the new CryEngine 2 graphics engine. But the market is not ready yet.

I think it is too early for STO, and probably whatever game they release will only dissapoint. I wish PE would show principle and shelve this project, so in the future like 2020 some gaming company will pick up the project from the PIPE DREAM shelf and realize the dream for REAL. Then guys like Realm Reaper, me, and many others here would be real happy. Even Jaklet would lap it up.

Originally posted by DixonHill

BioWare To Slam PE? with Mass Effect

 

No, because these 2 games are not competing in any way.

Not the point!

Not directly competing, but Mass Effect if a big success would raise standards, draw the sci-fi gamer audience from STO, and perhaps fuel a Mass Effect MMO by 2009, and spawn titles of similar quality and scope, again drawing competition from STO

The brand Star Trek is not enough to draw in fans. The last 10 years demonstrate the strongly. So yeah, Mass Effect is competition to STO. And BTW, BioWare announced they are making an MMO.

STO is promised by PE to feature considerable freedom of movement and exploration. Many planets in the STO galaxy will have cities and starports where you can explore in a sandbox like environment, and missions are said to take place on many planet-side locations. Now, for planet cities where trading and socializing takes place, would you like to see some technologically advanced cities beyond the village type places we have seen so far?  Here are some examples.

PE's Vulvan Village

My idea of a STO Space Age city. I would imagine you could walk around, visit a trade center, perhaps have living quarters with a great view, fly around in some gravity cars.

I admit it. I am a Human, so I prefer the second city. The Vulcan city, is just too bland and depressing, IMO. I want something that screams, THIS IS THE FUTURE ENJOY IT.

What do you want out of the player cities in STO?

Player ship interiors may be a reality.

Remember PE changed plans before. The whole 3D space combat idea, and then the FPS view to 3rd person view.

And Daron announced historical ship tours. So they are mapping out ship interiors beyond the HUB ships.

PE may have backtracked on plans to require a player to crew a ship in the interior to advance, as was originally proposed a player would do after Starfleet Academy. They may have gone too far when dismissing player ship interiors altogether. Perhaps they have realized that players want ship interiors at some point, so they may allow the largest player ship awarded to have interiors. Perhaps a Akira or Intrepid Class size ship.

It would make a lot of sense! 

So what do you all thinks of the "official preferred status" of STO NET? It is propoganda, a slap at the people who disagree?

I actually think that until PE releases some hard evidence of what kind of game they are making, they don't have to release an official community site, and anyways there would be nothing to stop them from censoring that place too.

If you are careful, STO NET will not censor you.

Did anybody take a look at the new concept art?

If you head over to STO NET you will see that new dev log #3 released. It countain some new concept art of furniture in the Vulvan house. YAWN. There is nothing really groundbreaking there, concept art is done for every 3D game and the concept art here look no better or worse than your average FPS game these days. Sure, they are not bad drawings, but there is no indication of what they will look like in-game.

the reaction over there is ecsastic. No offense, but they lap up whatever they get over there. Everytime PE releases something, they all have orgams or somethin. Seriously, check out the responses, and think if they match what was released.

I was once also a PE worshiper, until I realize that hype and reality are separate things, even with STO.