so you fight for the chance to fight boss no wall like wg in wow

dam and 16 hour cooldown ,that must be insanelly fun

Originally posted by otheron3

The only time a game can be considered a "Grind", is if one is not enjoying playing it, or not able or willing, to try and enjoy the journey, but are focused on some imagined, or not, destination.

I really can't stand the term.

What MMO's do all have are "Time Sinks".   That is, afterall, the point, to retain subscriptions on a monthly basis by drawing them in to the game with things to do, goals to achieve, etc.

Some games like WoW, allow one to soar through levels quickly, but required an insane time sink for raids, at least years back when I played.   I hated that personally.

Other games like Lineage ][, especially when initially released, was considered a huge "grind", because of how long it took to level and gain new skills.    While I understood this, for "me", I didn't focus on levels.   I loved just playing the game.  It was amazing, and probably even more so now, although I haven't played in a year or so.

It just seems to me that the term "Grind" is inappropriately used.      Generally a game allows one to move through skills or levels fast and provides "time sinks" in other ways, or a game takes more time to progress in, and that is the "time sink.

If a game is fun, the whole point is to have a time sink.   Once the time sink is over, so is the game.   Bottom line is one either likes a game, or doesn't.   "Grind" is a misleading word, and in the manner some use it so freely to describe games they don't like, words like "whining" are used to categorize posts people make that others don't like.     In the same way, both word are over-used hot buttom words and really mean nothing.

-Other

if a game doesnt have good story ,or worst like most f2p no story at all ,and no music of their own

like they just buy the music from guildwars and put it in their game

etc,im sorry but its worst then a grind

lot of f2p game are not good they would have been good in the 80s

when any game maker doesnt post a genearl blue or wtv they used or note to say what issue they re trying to fix ,it send the message to player that hes being ignored

but if that game maker once a month put a note of issue being looked at they wont receive 3 million about same problem lol

like me today cant log on on my favorite game patch 1841 came out but no note no info on general problem they re looking in etc

its hard for any player to stick to any game if he feal the game make isnt connected with the gamer at least a bit

it isnt long to write on game website and keep people up to date

and in my view if you dont keep your gamers upto date you are being ignored

and ignored player from xgame shouldnt play that game there are too many game nowaday to put up with these bad situation

lol true if its like rune of magic ,the fun start later then beta lol

honestly i tried this game like the plot etc but golseller are a constant reminder that they have issue

i dont care for goldseller

but if 50 %(conservative number)are not real player just botter

it makes the game pointeless to play

i play rune of magic and i love it ,ya there are probably botter and goldseller for gs i just blacklist them

its always the same group lol

anyone could tell me  things

today rune of magic developper released patch 1841

where is the patch note

arent we supposed to get patch on tomorrow

are server locked for maintenance ,cant go on a server after login

 theres was nothing that appealled to gamer in america ,im not sure about aion ,but i know they ll get at least 3 million player why,before wow it was them l2,now wow is aging its gona turn around 

ask your friend your connection you ll see that a lot of wow player are ex l2 player

they havent gone for  ncsoft game because guild were draining to wow slowly 

like one said,it wont happen in one month but aion will eat at least 20 %player from wow in america

before chrismas is here,

the problem at blizzard is their money leeching activision ,its ruining blizzard .

activision makes the call even tho they say they dont every player see its reflected in choice we got to please more gamer the most gamer  etc yes they got bigger sub 

for 2 reason ,no other game with the same kiddy look and feal that parent love and the fact thats everybody play it ,burt 12 million was the max now even if it isnt aion it will be another between now and next year same date they ll have 20 %less sub minimum

thats gona hurt them why they want d3 so fast ,on their own blizzard is making money 

but with the vampire activision lol i d like see the book for fun i doubt blizzard is happy

cant be they make million to be sent in the big activision brand lol,to be lost in the cloud lol

i feel sorry for blizzard they dont deserve to go crash and burn because some unforseen event are pressuring their allies

Originally posted by jleeii

I am in total agreement with the OP. Of all the F2P games and even some of the P2P games, this one is above the mark. I mean sure there are somethings that could use adjusting or fixing, but um, it is FREE! Hell most people pay a sub for games that still require adjusting and fixing! 

No other F2P has or will (IMO) hold a candle to RoM and the September expansion that is slated for release is just another step up the ladder of successes in an otherwise bland and dismal F2P catagory.

and dont forget these guys are on a time table ,some think we re being ignored

their major update is september so it will probably be all corrected there

and i dont mean content ,they update the way the game sound how it will look they change a lot of stuff,check their note on the website

first ,if you spent 20 a month average on wow it will average about the same for this game yes if you go too far you can spend 300 $

its like all f2p

if you buy a perma mount this month then you budget is almost busted

the way i figure it

comkpare an ebgame plus monthly then figure same amount

(new game lol not the the price of vanilla wow its 2 $ at ebgame just the cd)

for any f2p and you ll be fine

sore is more about plashing and lvling quickly

like a father that can play while his son and daugfhter are doing homework he got what 45 min an hour before kids are done with their homework

you cant ask a father or mother not to spend money in store to be on = term with the kid that farm 12 hour a day after school

Originally posted by giantsquid

Originally posted by Tyrrhon

It is great , it only lacks:

- class ballance

- meaningfull PvP

- working economy

- usefull crafting

- community

- advertised features

What is does not lack is cheap naive attemp at viral marketing. Spend some penny on real advertisement if you are so succesfull as you boast.

Edit: Your "fair just faster" cash shop means that free customers will get *essential* items years after the game closes. And the paying customer will pay what amounts to two years of WoW sub to get first set of lvl 50 gear for RoM.

 

Oh, no you misunderstand.  I don't work for them, I'm in no way related, I'm just a huge fan.

But, I've heard players complain about class balance, but with the duel class system, RoM uses, players have simply found they need to learn to play RoM characters.  The complaint mostly comes from people who thought they'd play the same as any other MMO, but there is a bit of a learning curve.

the economy is young, but it works, and it's nice that they have a few different currencies, and as the population grows, the economy will too.

the crafting in RoM has been compared to EQ2, which after searching all over the net, I found that every EQ2 player(whether they played other games or only EQ2) said it was similar.  And with further looking around, you'll see that everyone in the MMORPG community considers EQ2 to have the 2nd  best crafting system ever(SWG being no. 1)  Not a bad compliment for Runes of Magic.

I don't know what you mean about meaningful PvP, but I've played WoW for 6 months and hate it's PvP, and love RoM's.  The no faction and criminal/hunter system adds so much more edge of your seat danger, and it's more often because it doesn't include only the opposite faction that you may not see often, but the danger is constant in RoM.

I don't know what you mean about community either, it has same community right now as any F2P I've played.  Plus they have over 1 million players now, and growing at rate of 150,000 a month, but even that is climbing.  A community is people, and RoM already has more people than many MMO's and is constantly growing, so community is large and getting larger.

You WANT advertising? in game? or what?  I don't want too much advertising but the game advertises it's cash shop a lot, but not annoyingly.

As for just advertising the game, you'll see giant banner ads on any MMO site you go too.  They have been so succesfull now they hired more devs(over 60 now: most F2P cut down to 30 or less after open beta).

I can only speculate but I imagine we'll definitely see some more advertising and a whole lot more of everything from the no. 1 F2P game in the world.

 

Edit: I don't argue the time vs rmt thing, cuz it's illogical.  Time is the great equalizer in all and everything in life, period.  It can't be used as an argument and more than it can in real life.

true the nemesis feature helps a lot

you got ganked yesterdays by xxx

ooh nice he just log on lets go pay back some courtesy

childish hell yes, fun you can bet on it

we re at the very begining now

most dont have castle castle fight isnt on yet

give it a bit of time to set up etc

build castle protect castle against xxx invasion you go attack castle of zzz men on top of everything else

dont search for me in wow 3 years were fun but not that fun this is gona be way more fun

Originally posted by giantsquid

Actually the game is becoming extremely popular, especially in the last 2 weeks, and I believe this years E3 will be a larger instant boost towards their climb.  All the MMORPG sites have it rated within their top 10 now, and it's only 2 months out Beta.

It's nothing like any of the existing F2P(I played all of them, yes ALL) Every F2P up until now, was a grinder.  There was little to no situational combat, and you simply had to grind through thousands of mobs to gain lvls.

Runes of Magic is quest driven, like WoW, with special attention on daily quests(They reward a particular kind of in-game "currency" needed to complete tasks).

The game has many exciting unique features mostly found in large-scale pay to play games, but uses a cash shop.

I know your dissappointment with not wanting on PvP because spenders will use cash shop to gain advantage, but RoM doesn't do that.

I love RoM's cash shop.  Everything in the shop will only help you do things faster in-game.  There is nothing in cash shop that you can't do in game.  I find it truly fair for an RMT business model.

search around some more.  RoM has already gotten quite a few awards.

It is by far the best F2P that exists right now.  Nothing in the RMT business model can beat it.  I dare say that even finding what is 2nd best is the difference between WoW and the 2nd best pay to play.

ok i aggre with most of what you say ,1 precision

proffession crafting,not the gatering the crafting

i m lvl 15 right now and i havent see 1 way be it in store or ingame to have fasster cast time say instant instead of 4 second

and you cannot (if im correct)speed up xp toward your crafting ,so say you gat on average 10% per cast for x item there are no way to improove that say +200 % to end up with an average of about 25% per cast so you d only need 4 item made to level instead of arount 7

yes it makes a big difference if you go buy the skill and dont use drop skill

it take a lot of mat to lvl 1 lvl ,and add to that the lovely chance of being pked slowing down your levelling rate further the best way i haver yet is to just lvl gathering give all to guild yes i know it suck but believe me you dont want to delay castle too long

the faster the castle is built the faster you can pass to other thing like grinding your skill

beleive me you can lvl 6 proff to 40 3 to 50 i think and 1 elite

3 of those will be crafting prof,let me tell you im just at lvl 5 in my 3 crafting and im lvl 14 with my gathering

ski^p most crafting just lvl alch to get the low lvl +5 lvl to gathering lvl and then stop there just build castle fast etc,its the core of the game

there as to be a reason they made castle easyer to level then crafting

i love this game

and i started to see a real hint of story in this game a real thing ,if its all like that

its a freaking involved process to unveil them ,right now im at a point where theres a plot to assasinate a big guyu in varanas,

add to that a silly noble doing all kind of shitty stuff you got to mop his mistake ,its a nice story i was surprised.i saw the major story tree but gees i find a tooken on a mob and i end up in a freaky situation its very nice

i was gona quit but when i reached lvl 15 its where the fun begin the story unfold yes theres pk but it adds spice

in this game some story stuff you got to dig very deep why

freaking nobility always plot and they dont trust their own shadow lol.

so it take a bit of work to begin to understaant the tip of the iceburg

you might have to take note cause its freaking complex when you get a clue it might be related with other stuff but its so deep lol often we forget

i left wow this month and i can say i have no regret ,customizable store stuff is insane

one guy  wanted a mount  he bot it simple but he didnt like color he colored it it look so bad ass you wouldnt believe

this game is gona be very popular

 lol if you knew the internal working you d know that intel way is more stable

Originally posted by UpskirtPower

What kind of pickup you like? you know like when after you kill a mob and it drop loot....

western style is you click on it then window will pop up showing a slot of what it drop and you click on the one you want. eastern style is you just click on it once and you got it. example lineage 2, rfonline ect..

 

these days eastern mmos tend to copy western style... example aion, runes of magic and requiem.

i personally like eastern style. i dont want to click on it then click it once again. it just feel sluggish. i want it one click away! not click and click again but you know what i really want? the kind of no need to click to pickup, it auto pickup... example titan online.

dam i have been using auto loot for so long its insane same for control,i use wasd mif the game doesnt have wasd and auto loot i dont bother to play it 

like silkroad online it might be a nice game but what killed it for me 

clic clic to move anywhere ,reach level 10 and im like god dam how can someone seriously pvp by point and clic

strife ,you know walking sideways in combination with wasd make the toon moove godly espacially needed if your a rogue 

but most game have those option now 

its often in the interface like the wasd control and auto loot

but some did a very bad job 

like i was gona play neo steam but me i would turn and the toon wouldnt turn it would just go in that direction without even facing it

in my view if a game maker cant even just put the control tight its gona be very hard for any gamer to take that game home

NO      WASD =sucky game

it topped at 3 million in asian market say it get goodreview this weekend they might get another 3 million but remember one thing its nc soft so it will be on for yeard in the long term it will eat at wow base if activision(blizzard)is sleeping on their crown

the problem aint game maker

check wow blizzard had to nerf ulduar ,why most group couldnt pass what pro passed .

it wasnt even on hard mode yet

for 95 % of gamer casual is hard enough

if they add hard mode a very hard game you might be the only one willing or hable to pass it with your friend

in the very first days of ulduar very few made it

not for the lack of trying but the combat was too involved

and one other thing the guys that passed were guys and girl that have been gaming together as a group for a long time

average gamer might change guild 3 time this month lol

it takes years as group to build a synergy

those guys they know that if they turn their back someone is watching his back no mather what

very very few group or guild work as a group as what the few first guild that ran and made it to the end in ulduar before the first nerf

it took insane synergy

 god if they just fix all memory leak and related problem this will be a big improvement

this is one of the main problem with this game ,cant say more i left because memory leak and related issue was too bad 

 men ty guys your a saver ,im tired of mmorpg (wow)style dont get me wrong i still love them right now the most promissing to me in that genre was war.so i decided to change for f2p mmo sci-fi style for a while .

i ll xfire the game you suggested to see how they are 

i hope gm of those game thot to post them on xfire

 any one knoe a good looking f2p sci-fi mmo

 dam can baiting

so he literally brought the noobs to were he could kill him ,jees thats an evolved version of ganking 

and that space is so vast hard to know where you can be killed and cannot be killed

 lol there is a very good story in the first second is nice story too third i didnt reach the end but there is a story 

but its a lenty story ,if you like pvp this game is like next evolution of chess

just go in and check some pvp game yes they have a version of replay of best fight

you reach level 20 fairly fast so when your at 20 its your choice what to do but a lot of content is a lvl 20 

you get different skill,

you just want to pvp then go to their store buy all pvp kit and you can make to order any build or group build you can think of 

it gets pretty intense ,pvp in guild wars even top rated and fully geared isnt easy 

most have been at it for a while and they do group build

you never see that in wow oh maybe in arena but not as evolved as guild wars 

in pvp i think when your good enough gw is one of the tp pvp game(arena style)for mmo

Originally posted by oskironmaide

I like aion alot.. :D im trying to give it a chance and i feel it has alot of potential.. but the beta is anoying me.,.. one server.. one race.. TOO MANY PEOPLE.. its been a pain to get to lvl 8.. hard to find mobs and things for quests.. too many people.

Still.. thats the idea of the beta.. i would say the server estability for sooo many people is pretty good.. no crash no lag AT ALL.. :D very stable and i get constant 100+ frames with lots of people around me

dam thats way better then wow lag fest if you group up