Originally posted by Karteli
It's gonna be a terriffic game, .. too bad XLGames can't hire a part time translator to put some closed captions into their videos. .. You know, before they bother posting them on Youtube .. owned by Google, headquartered in California, USA.... yeah.

You forgot the sarcasm tag, some people might not get it...just saying.

Originally posted by Razeekster
My only fear is that it will be as succesful as The Repopulation (if you don't get what I mean it's that The Repopulation sort of didn't do well), which was also another project backed by Kickstarter.

The repopulation is not out yet so you can't say if it's successful or not, also their kickstarter was successful. On topic, this looks very promising and I want to believe these guys have what it takes although indie projects and high ambitions often don't bode well.

Originally posted by AndyPreston

Another example of how fanbois should temper their enthusiasm a little. The amount of people on this website who claimed this was the second coming...

Fanbois? No....Just negative nancys like you.

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by Palinger

Originally posted by colddog04

I think the only real issue I would have with this has to do with the apparent intended audience. Sexy is one thing. Having a female character model constantly bending over showing her ass and panties is another.

 

So the question is, do I want to play an MMO with a bunch of horny teenagers/adults? 

 

Nah, not really. Regular old nerds will do just fine.

 Slutty is the last thing you'll have to worry about when you are getting slaughtered by one. They are demonic and most demonic females I've seen, be it movie or game, were always "naughty". And not everyone who likes the game is horny, in fact, you are for thiking dirty.

How dare you call me horny?!!!

 

Yeah, I didn't say everyone was going be horny that played the game. I said that it appears to be their intended audience. From that, I deduce that there will be a high ratio of horny teenagers/adults that play this. And my deduction could end up being completely false.

 Their intented audience being horny people is what other people make up...and you. This is a very insignifact feature, it only looks imporant because it has been discussed to death on these forums. Their true intented audience is people who like a more active type combat and less RNG (will it be successful, who knows) but, hell, I want to play with these people.

Originally posted by colddog04

I think the only real issue I would have with this has to do with the apparent intended audience. Sexy is one thing. Having a female character model constantly bending over showing her ass and panties is another.

 

So the question is, do I want to play an MMO with a bunch of horny teenagers/adults? 

 

Nah, not really. Regular old nerds will do just fine.

 Slutty is the last thing you'll have to worry about when you are getting slaughtered by one. They are demonic and most demonic females I've seen, be it movie or game, were always "naughty". And not everyone who likes the game is horny, in fact, you are for thiking dirty.

Originally posted by sn0wblind00

i find it odd that guys would get excited over a videogame characters who have a little cleavage showing.   I just don't know anyone who would enjoy playing a tiny, stick-thin girl who swings around a sword twice her size and is half naked.  Sounds stupid, even for a game.  Give me a fat woman named Bertha with a big axe and a cask of ale - characters like that would be more interesting in a fantasy world at least to me.  I wouldn't be surprised to see them offer item shop purchases of handbags and shoes so you can dress them up like barbie.  It's pathetic.

That is awesome, not as awesome as killing a tauren with a gnome, but awesome nonetheless.

Originally posted by Dubhlaith

 

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Originally posted by Palinger

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Originally posted by Valkyrie

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Originally posted by theinvader
I just want to say I really love the combat mechanics and graphical style that the TERA developers have going on. But when I watched this gameplay demo I was utterly disgusted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmdsHCGoZlk
I'm talking about what he says during the first 30 seconds of the video. The video game industry really needs to start moving away from this kind of behaviour if it wants to be more widely accepted (and I dunno about you, but I do want that). It's both immuature and mysoginistic and I find it to be disgraceful.
Tell me I'm not the only one.

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I agree. I am a grown mature woman and I play female chars. I saw the same thing in Lineage 2 and said "Ok, that is so ridiculous ... let's skip this". That stupid hentai anime "Yay I can see her pants when she bends down" is making the developers deciding to do this look ... childish and laughable.
And watch that ridiculous hip swaying when she does her spell. Are you kidding me? Can I have a grown-up version instead of this prepubertarian giddy thing?

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 I agree with you on this. It definitely doesn't look good to typical insecure women.

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Again, assuming she is insecure because she finds this offensive. That is part of the problem.

 

Paterah: I am not saying all men who game are like that, but the ones that gravitate to that sort of sexist objectification of women are. I am not sure why saying that is the mark of a troll, because it has been proved out time and again both with professional studies and my own experience. The most striking example so far are the people in AOC. Revolting. Which is a shame, because I love Conan.

I am not trolling, or at least not trying to. I am trying to educate young men on this idea. My mother and her mother worked hard to move society away from this. Look at those GW2 characters. Women can be gorgeous without being ONLY sex objects. I can be a sex object. Sometimes that is what I go for, but I do not run around TRYING to show people my undergarments. That is uncouth.

As for my sexual contact, you are assuming a woman that games does not have a sex life? That is a pretty broad generalisation, do you not agree? That would be if I had said all men who game are like this subset that want to see the panties. I am not going to go out of my way to prove this out for you, and I doubt you will believe me anyway, with this attitude, but I know it for truth and I think it you can accept it, it will help you. I am an attractive twenty-something. I am not a supermodel, but if I went to a disco, I could leave with a handsome man. Not least because I am a good dancer as well as a good PvPer.

Finally, this is not art style. I love the asian art style, and I do not mind their tall, thin female characters who wear short skirts. I am tall and thin and I wear short skirts. But I do not let everyone see my business, you understand. I can be attractive without showing off all the goods. It is something called decorum. I do not need to log in and see a ridiculous man (of course, this is much more rare, because men are usually the ones designing things) in a banana hammock. I get my sexual gratification in the real world, and therefore I have no need for pixels.

If you want this sort of thing, they make porn for it. Some of it is pretty good. It does not need to be in the game where it breaks my immersion by its misogyny and pure ridiculousness.

 You are assuming I'm the other guy, but I'm not. I'll try to reply to your comment nicely anyway:

If you find it bad then that's fine it is your opinion, but if you find it offensive and you think that it is just showing off the woman as a sex toy ASSUMING the said character was a human, which is not, it was a castanica female, which means you find offensive how castanica female animations look in game, then it is that, insecureness. The difference between "not liking" and "finding offensive" is very big.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oogeJzEZIn0  Here is how human females look in game, still not the best, but much better than the castanica female.

Secondly, I'm not saying female gamers don't have a sexual life, but if a woman lurks gaming forums and goes on to say such troll comments as: "If you like how this game looks then you are nothing but a boy that has never been laid in his life" and "they made this decision to attract horny adolescent boys that have never seen lady parts in real life" then it really makes me wonder.

Originally posted by Valkyrie

Originally posted by theinvader

I just want to say I really love the combat mechanics and graphical style that the TERA developers have going on. But when I watched this gameplay demo I was utterly disgusted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmdsHCGoZlk

I'm talking about what he says during the first 30 seconds of the video. The video game industry really needs to start moving away from this kind of behaviour if it wants to be more widely accepted (and I dunno about you, but I do want that). It's both immuature and mysoginistic and I find it to be disgraceful.

Tell me I'm not the only one.

I agree. I am a grown mature woman and I play female chars. I saw the same thing in Lineage 2 and said "Ok, that is so ridiculous ... let's skip this". That stupid hentai anime "Yay I can see her pants when she bends down" is making the developers deciding to do this look ... childish and laughable.

And watch that ridiculous hip swaying when she does her spell. Are you kidding me? Can I have a grown-up version instead of this prepubertarian giddy thing?

 I agree with you on this. It definitely doesn't look good to typical insecure women.

Originally posted by paterah

Originally posted by Dubhlaith

 

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Originally posted by kdchan

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It's a game and should be treated as such.

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You are right, those people will never play Tera aniway (and i'm happy i don't have to play with them), they only try to denigrate the game and asian art style because they have nothing better to do. When will be released those haters will disappear fortunately, you surely find them QQ in another korean game (blade & Soul maybe) about society, real humans and 3D pixels.
Fact is this game will never change design to please 4 random whiners when the community around the game is well estabilished already around the world and grow up every day. :)

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You mistake my meaning, and this is a problem I see in general with people's perceptions of such things. Let me try to clarify.

I love the Asian style of art in general, and I love anime. Andin fact, most of the women in anime are strikingly attractive and usually wear short skirts. In fact, I enjoy wearing short skirts myself, as I said before. That is not at issue. I like the men carrying massive weapons, and from what I have seen, I like the combat style.

What I do not like is the way this character runs in an unbelievable manner *just* so we can see her panties. That's it. They call her the "naked chick" and they tout this as a feature. The entire point here is to show off the woman sexually. There is no other reason behind this design decision. And that is where my problem comes in. This decision was made to attract horny adolescent boys that have never seen lady parts in real life, and disregards how women, or, I hope, more understand men would feel about this. The real problem here has nothing to do with the girl in the game world, but in the decision-making process in the real world that led this to happen. It is incredibly misogynistic and defies a generation of progress for women's rights.

And more than that, that I hear you say to "grow up" with regards to this issue, I have to explain that to do this, and to like this, is incredibly immature, and shows baser desires and baser ideas of what is attractive (to clarify, panties =/ sexy. there are many more ways to make these women sexually appealing, and many animes currently do this without needing to always show underwear.)

And I can tell you, for myself, and for my girlfriends, if we see a manboy playing a game like this, or we see those posters of models on your walls, that is a strong and immediate turn off. This is not because of the woman, but because of the immaturity of the man to display it in that way. I would be willing to wager large money on the idea that most of you boys saying this is okay do not have frequent sexual contact with women in the real world. (Don't bother arguing with me on this point, we will get nowhere, you won't change my mind, and you know yourself whether this is true.)

 

TLDR:

It is not the art that upsets people in this case, at least me. It is the fact that the men who did this in the real world thought it was okay to make a woman run in a way no one would in order to show off the panties, and that there are people in the gaming community that think it is okay.

"It's a game" is not an okay response. This is not about the game, this is about men designing this game and believing that it is okay to do this.

 Why do you do this? I'm not sure if you realise that but do you understand that this is a prime example of a troll, not a hater, a troll.

Besides, talk me about sexual contact! A woman that lurks gaming forums and makes troll comments must have a very serious and sexual life.

On a serious note: I just see this whole "art style" thing humorous at best.

Perfect. One more reason to play it

I'd prefer more High Fantasy concept. Simple armor and normal sized weapons is really very uncool. Oversized weapons and exaggerated armor on the other hand is pretty cool if done properly (think of 2moons, if there was one thing I liked in that game it was the armor design).

Originally posted by Raxeon

wow  positive but negitive pos tlmao i cant even stick up for this game.. xsyon beats it by far

 Well, it was meant to be positive, it could be a real disaster if I chose to be rude.

Ok, as always let's start with the bad news. The bad news are that the keys, yes, the keys are getting depleted for this wonderful MMO and everyone who wants to test this game like crazy has to wait for the servers to get up (which will probably be only for a few hours or days I guess, then the excruciating wait begins again.)

Now the good news...The good news are that the keys probably won't get depleted until late 2014 and even if they get depleted you can probably ask for an account here to test the game since most will quit after 1 minute of gameplay (personally I exited the game as soon as the character creation screen showed up. I also am one of the people who believe that gameplay > graphics, but I just couldn't ignore the fact that I had a possibility to develop eye cancer if played more than 1 minute.) Anyways, you can also ask for a beta key here if they keys get depleted since I believe some people won't bother to enter their keys after visiting the horrid and poorly designed website. This game makes Dawntide look like the best thing since sliced bread, Xsyon a gift from the gods and Darkfall probably the second coming.

All in all, I think it was very generous of MMORPG.com to host the game's beta keys and give them a place in the "News Discussion".

Have to agree with chouji here, they made their choice and their choice is to use extensive copy-paste, while still managing to achieve low performance. Pathetic.

I suppose most upcoming MMORPGs will be polished like GW2, Rift, TERA, TOR etc., so I guess I'm not impressed at all.

How can you immerse yourself in a game with extreme terrain copy-paste? I was travelling in a straight line the other day and experienced the exact same thing 3 times. Pathetic.

I was thinking to play the game mainly for the immersion and exploring (exploring is actually rather praised by the people here and has been always something people would mention in game's defense), despite its obvious problems but this just pushed it over the cliff.

Oh, well, cancelling the preorder before time runs out.

So...how will the melee combat be? Actually, most MMORPGs p2p and f2p center around 3 combat styles (which can actually be decided on how melee combat works):

Target-based, stand and watch (most known through Lineage II and it is the oldest of the 3, where basically you can't move while attacking). Only school kids and caveman people would develop an MMORPG with this combat nowadays).

Target-based, free movement (you can move around while doing abilities on melee combat, also when you press an ability your character doesn't run on the enemy like Aion and L2 but rather you have to be on the range to do it, WoW is popular for using this).

Aim-based, which is -as some call- the next generation of gaming, used by games like Darkfall and Mortal Online, but I believe TERA is mostly known for adapting this style, a game not released yet.

Does SWTOR use 1 of these?

I tend to agree with the OP, don't really wanna go back to rayman age and... my god what shitty models.

I'd love a star wars mmo..a REAL one.

The game is not even released yet and feels outdated.

I admire this guy.