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Originally posted by Souldrainer

I predict AoC will cap at 3-5 million subs. 

  I wouldn't predict something like that for a game I thought was 1000 times better than anything ever made.  I'm well aware that what happened to WoW was an anomaly, and that the players LEAVING WoW will be a diverse mix of demands that no one game can hope to meet and retain all of them.  To move forward, we WILL see more focused design choices going on (like WAR and its focus on PvP) to appeal to each branch of those leaving players.  Even then...many players still will be leaving WoW to never rejoin the market again.  In no way can we expect any MMO to achieve  millions of players ever again, for doing so (and planning ones' financial future and budget around such) will end only in complete failure and a likely repeat of what happened to SWG.

  Nay, I say.  I think we should consider even 500K a major success for any game.  I can SEE someone getting a million players, for sure, but that comes with the assumption that they do everything right.  I think that we can ALL agree that Funcom did NOT do everything right.  The choices they made helped them in the short run (getting extra subs early on) but will ensure that their initial players will be divided amongst the new games that are coming out. 

Originally posted by doffmann

Originally posted by Jackdog

 

As far as moving on , get a grip dude. I bought it, I played it for a short period of time now I will comment on it.

 

abunch of peeple bout this game and found out that there woodoo2 grafices card was just too old to run it so they desided to hate what they cant have

  Really?  I'm glad to hear that simply upgrading ones graphics card will automatically make their stat system work, their Tier 3 cities open, their entire PvP system they promised install, the DX10 support show up, and for content past tortage to magically appear.  I've really been waiting for someone to clear that up for me, thanks.

  Perhaps YOU need to learn how to read what the haters are saying, and stop opening your mouth until you can actually make a response that makes sense.

  I offer the same prediction I've made since even BEFORE all the horrible negative elements were discovered.  150K players.  I cannot say what percent that number is, as I have seen no actual subscriber numbers on which to BASE such a thing.  I would assume that 150K is around a third retention, but that also assumes that they have around 500K players at the moment.  I would feel safer assuming 300K, and that would make their rate around 50%. 

  Frankly, I don't think they deserve even that since they couldn't even manage a working stat system...but thats me.  Given what I see the fans say on this board, I guess I just expect TOO MUCH.

Originally posted by Ascension08 

Right, I think if you play something it's hard to review 100% unbiased. And when you throw money in the mix well it's even harder. I do expect all sites to be as unbiased as possible of course, and I attribute the 90+ ratings to the fact that AoC polished Tortage.
 

   Its also important to note that the problem with stats would not have been noticed in the newb zone because you only had very basic gear and it was replaced relatively soon.  The broken feats would also have not shown light on themselves as well.  IN fact, the vast majority of the BIG issues in this game would have never been seen from Tortage...which only goes to prove that they forced their beta players to cap at 13 for a REASON.

  This was all very deliberate.

Originally posted by Balthaazar1

I frankly don't give two sh*ts what the disgruntled whining half the community has to say, but Funcom, does care. They are listening to us, you whine when you don't feel justice is done by this game, and well, looks like you whine when they do offer what you were whining about to begin with. It's all very amusing. I for one say Kudos, to Funcom, for realizing what we want and going above and beyond in scope of those offerings so desired. If you don't like it, well who gives a sh*t really?

  My, you require so very little to appease yourself.  I'd be first in line to commend them...if they had given even half of what they hyped.  Not only did they leave out a fair portion of the hyped content (including small things like dx10 support), but they left out one of the most critical things to HAVE in a MMO....stats.  They don't even have a working stat system, and that is by and far the single most pathetic thing I have ever seen.

  I could probably swallow just about everything else they've done wrong BUT that.  If the junky free to play guys can get a working stat system on a budget that would barely keep Mcdonalds open a day....I feel that Funcom should be able to as well.

Originally posted by jondifool

 

 

This link is properly the fastest way to get an insight in the classes atm

http://www.massively.com/2008/06/04/massively-goes-to-war-the-classes-of-warhammer-in-a-nutshell/

  You know what, you just sold me completely on the game with that link.  I wasn't really on the fence, but I WAS going to wait till a bit after release to check into it.  However, the Engineer class just gave me an MMO woody.  I really liked the concept so much, I'm probably going to pre-order.

  I have no ideal what people are crying about....I played from Closed Beta all the way to release and have never encountered any of the things they say.  Gold was never a problem for me, all I ever had to do was set up my harvesting when I was done with the game and let it auto-harvest while I slept.

  The combat was great because I was able to mix classes together to find the blend which suited my playstyle best.  The plot was good enough, and the quests were plentiful.  Hell, the class quests are some of the most enjoyable things I've ever done.  To unlock the martial artist (or was it monk...its been awhile) all you had to do was have enough stamina to take one hit from the teacher.  It was kind of neat, and gave me a chuckle.

  Really, the only foul thing I COULD say about the game is its strict linear nature on its world maps.  So many hills and mountains which divide the landscape into set paths.  But the areas past the first 3 (all of which are around the same level...no biggie) open up quite a bit more, so I never noticed it.

  Truth be told, this is easily one of the top 3 F2P games I've ever touched.  I don't hand that out lightly, as I've played practically every MMO listed here and some which aren't.

  In case you are wondering, that list is as follows:

  Perfect World

  DOMO

  Rappelz

  I actually liked Flyff as well, but I can't rate it very high as it lacks a ton of content.  The game is pretty much a straight forward grind game, which it does well....but means that all of the gameplay is left inside getting a group and killing the same thing for literally hours on end.

Originally posted by VultureSkull

I may be wrong, but i think that a lot of the pvp stuff has yet to be included in the game, isnt AOC suppose to have pvp levels and pvp rewards etc?

I use the word "included" as it seems that Funcom have already developed it but have not yet opended it up for some reason.

Regardless i think AoC was designed as a pvp game, and so there is still a lot to come on the pvp front.

 I think the key word here is patience, and see what will be implemented.

  Wait...wait...wait!  Let me get this straight....

  AoC is a PvP game, as you say.  It was designed to BE a PvP game, according to you.  Yet, we are supposed to WAIT and be PATIENT while this game (which is, by your own words, a PvP game) FINALLY gets around to actually implementing the numerous elements which would actually MAKE it a PvP game?  Why in the hell would we do that????? 

  Would it not be expected that they should have all of this already in?  I certainly wouldn't buy a Madden game and then be kindly patient while they got around to adding the mother-loving football to it.  How about instead of patience, we work with common sense.  By accepting crap like this, you enable this trend to continue.  Thanks, because now I'm very sure many many more MMO companies are going to keep tossing junk at our heads because people like you think its okay to pay them for the promise of something in the future...even AFTER being promised it today.

Originally posted by blackf00t

ok then name one mmo flawless launch just one is all i ask for

 

 

 

and if anyone says wow i will smack them inthe mouth

 

all mmo's that are out and that come out are unfineshed thats kind of the way it works

deal with it .

thats the way it has been its for damn sure not exclusive to AoC

get over it .

 

 

  Most at least have their STATS actually work, however.  Oh, and they also tend to haven content fleshed out throughout their level ranges to get players by until they can add more stuff at endgame.  They ALSO tend to have at least half of their promised features in game as well. 

  Let us not compare the debacle of what this game is calling "bugs" and what other games do.  I can cope with bugged quests...but when the game doesn't even use its own stat system yet, I'm forced to side with reason and assume these tools dropped a game which is barely even a husk of what it should be.

Originally posted by DeadlyMage

 

Originally posted by Gishgeron

 

Originally posted by DeadlyMage

 

il try out domo an flyff :) (not so fond of the graphics...but it wont hurt to try)

 

thanks for talking to me in a respectable way. unlike other in this topic

 

  You are welcome.  I have tested and played more MMO's than most people around here have even so much as glanced at.  I KNOW where you are coming from, and why you feel that way.  Its one of the more critical things I look at when I review these MMO's.  That said, I'd probably trial DOMO first as its overall a MUCH better game than Flyff.  Flyff is smooth in what it does, and I loved getting in large groups and leveling in it.  Flying was fun as well...if a bit pointless other than to travel easier. 

  DOMO, however, is one of the best games I have ever played...and I do not say that lightly.  They deserve the credit they get for that one...its done very well, unless something has changed.  I've been away from it for awhile because I had to do other things, and my wife and I play CoX together as our main MMO.  What can I say...there will always be something great about super jumping across a cityscape and then taking down a few hundred mobsters will my army of thugs.

thanks man

 

is domo 100% skill based? no level what so ever.

if so then il have to give it a try. that sound pretty awsome. is the game gear based?

  I'm going to TRY and break it down for you.  It IS level based...but...in a weird way.  You see, at any time you can switch classes and level them from 10 (which is the level your commoner class is allowed to change out to the other 12 or so).  Each class has abilities divided into three "brackets".  Your character has, like, 5 "extra" brackets to which you can equip "brackets" from classes you have already leveled.  What this means is that you CAN have a Warrior whom casts Shaman spells and uses doctor heals.  Since there is no restriction to this (other than weapon and armor restrictions, which can be opened at level 30 to another "bracket" for that class) you could easily level 3 classes to 15 and then switch back to your old one and be FAR (and this isn't FAR's baby brother, this is the real deal) more powerful than you were.

  At level 15 my warrior could AoE large groups with his warrior skills, place a 600-point DoT on a larger mob from his shaman list along with using its Mana recharge buff to keep his bar going, and then finish up with a few heals to make sure he didn't die on his 12-18 monster pulls.  This is at 15....I didn't even flesh out the system yet.  I just took a handful of things that looked cool to my basic understanding of the mechanics and ran with it.  Imagine what it could be if you really put some time and thought into it.

  As for gear...you can actually just "upgrade" your own gear as you level.  The merchants sell you new gear as you go along, though.  I'm sure there are rare and "even more rare" types encountered later on...but I do not know to what extent the game becomes a gear game.  It probably does, and there is probably a system in place for it.  But, in my limited time with it...I did not notice anything crazy going on in that department.  Hell, the game even gives you two free full sets for your first two classes.  So far as I saw...the game was more focused on blending class abilities to make a character you liked more than being  a gear whore.  But that might change towards the end, as most MMO's DO after all.

Originally posted by lawlitsDavid

I can't seem to decide which of these free mmos to dedicate my gaming time to. Flyff is a bit more hands on when it comes to grinding and leveling.Find a partner, find a party, find an empty spawn, and grind. Though, it all pays off with an in game arena and guild battles. In maple story however, it is much more carefree when it comes to leveling. Log on and start killing, though there isn't any pvp or direct awards of leveling up. I would like to know your opinions on which of these two games I should spend my time playing.

  Tough call...though I think that Flyff is probably best if you want open 3-d worlds to explore.  Its translation is ROUGH at best sometimes...but my time with it was very good (level 52 merc, 35 assist, 24 acro, and my wife has a level 60 mage that is logged out about to finish its quest to become Elementor)

  Also, since I've said this in another thread just moments ago, you might try DOMO as well.  Very solid game, with a very engaging multi-class system.

Originally posted by DeadlyMage

 

il try out domo an flyff :) (not so fond of the graphics...but it wont hurt to try)

 

thanks for talking to me in a respectable way. unlike other in this topic

  You are welcome.  I have tested and played more MMO's than most people around here have even so much as glanced at.  I KNOW where you are coming from, and why you feel that way.  Its one of the more critical things I look at when I review these MMO's.  That said, I'd probably trial DOMO first as its overall a MUCH better game than Flyff.  Flyff is smooth in what it does, and I loved getting in large groups and leveling in it.  Flying was fun as well...if a bit pointless other than to travel easier. 

  DOMO, however, is one of the best games I have ever played...and I do not say that lightly.  They deserve the credit they get for that one...its done very well, unless something has changed.  I've been away from it for awhile because I had to do other things, and my wife and I play CoX together as our main MMO.  What can I say...there will always be something great about super jumping across a cityscape and then taking down a few hundred mobsters will my army of thugs.

Originally posted by DeadlyMage

 

Originally posted by paulscott

OMGZORS someone tries to economize off their hard work differently.  bash them bash them, bash their horse as well.

Sorry just because no one hasn't gotten it right yet doesn't mean it can't be...  perhaps you'd like to convince me that the world is flat as well, since the argument is pretty much identical.

well so far. with the games iv played it wont be done right for a long time,

 

 

il try rohan and see. i may be proven wrong

  Try:

  DOMO

  Flyff

  Shaiya (though, I've HEARD conflicting debates about its CS)

  Dungeon Runners (which is a "premium service" game, but has easily the most fair use of that system I've ever seen)

  AO  (another prem game, since its TECHNICALLY P2P as well....but hey, free is free.)

  Those have been good to me thus far, and I might have more to add as time goes on.  I do not know enough about others, such as Cabal, to make such promises.

Originally posted by DeadlyMage

 

Originally posted by xephonics

Well Rohan is not dependent

and neither is PW (tho pw is highly unbalanced due to cs, but you dont NEED cs)

did you read my post :) the reson i did not like f2 was becuse it was unbalanced due to the tash shop.

 

any way. il try rohan

  Flyff was also not dependent on its CS.  Most of what they sold was purely cosmetic in use.  The one and only thing that was even remotely related to actual game functions (in a way that mattered) were the Gpros and Spros, both of which relate to upgrading items and protecting them from being broken if it fails.  Truth be told, though, you neither NEEDED those items...and even if you felt you DID, the CS items in that game were trade-able which meant people sold them all the time.  If you even try to find good ways to make money, its beyond easy to afford it...even from early levels. 

  My level 50 Merc was packing a few hundred million penya for just two days (no more than an hour each day) of work.

  Silkroad is the WORST about being dependent on its CS.  They deliberately let their servers go to shit so that you HAD to pay for gold tickets (which cost 15 a month, ha ha ha) just to be able to log on to the game.  I knew that was coming, though.  I knew from the moment the ticket system was even suggested, and ran from that game like crazy. 

  I haven't noticed that DOMO is dependent either, and truth be told it has the BEST class system of any game I've played....P2P or not.  I prefer skill systems, but if you are gonna tout a level/class system there isn't much better.  The cell shading in that game was beautiful as well.

Originally posted by laleb
What I think is great is how he wants to get people all riled up and uses language like that. You do not win a debate by screaming YEAH FUCK YOU. Simple minds resort to this kind of language because they do not know how to properly argue. If he really talks like this I can see why he was fired.

  Now now, that phrase has its place.  Just as all the vulgar phrases do.  Its just a matter of understanding where that place is, and not just using it for the sake of using it.  I'm actually rather glad he DID use his language poorly, however, as it allows us simple and quick reminders to ignore anything he might have to say.  I enjoy having those checks in place, it tells me to skip the rest of the blog.  Which....I did.

  It didn't help, either, that what he was talking about just so happened to be the very opposite of the actions his past would show he has taken.

Originally posted by norrisn

i was on about people flaming him is justified, the guy messed up and now ranting about cliches and the like - just makes me think hypocrite.

 

  And as I promised, my post is now updated correctly to avoid kicking you for no reason :P

  Sorry about that.

  I'll play.  I'll even list my 3 reasons in a step format that I feel the game will follow in its trend.

  1:  Initial bugs, and serious game flaws.  The game released too early, there is no denying that.  Most people can, and will, manage past this stage though...but the sour taste it will leave in their mouths will ill prepare them to maintain patience for the issues in stage 2.  Dropping the game with such major issues like the basic stat system not even working and female characters having attack speed issues is a bad ideal, but one some people can trudge through as long as its worked on quickly. 

  2:  End Game design flow.   The PvP side of the game will likely never be fleshed out to the taste of PvP'ers who come from long time games that have already long since moved past the "Gee, how do you make it work?" step in their games' life.  Regardless of what the devs say, the gear issues WILL be noticed as the stat system get fixed and the realization that the raiding system will take priority as Funcom trys desperately to compete in that department until they can truly flesh out the MANY thousand issues that arise in a PvP setting.  Once the gamers realize they are re-entering the very same treadmill they have been on for years...the past mistakes from the early release will resurface and people will lose all patience with this team, knowing full well that they managed to basically copy a design system thats been around for a decade and STILL managed to bork it out the gate. 

  3:  New games, and the release of the other major contenders.  First, both WoW and WAR will release their projects soon enough.  While we cannot yet say what WAR will become, we CAN assume WotLK will open very nicely and its standing to offer even more gameplay options to the game than before.  It can also be assumed to a lesser degree that WAR will launch with a much more solid PvP environment, and thus quickly draw those players from AoC.  Once AoC has to compete with real contenders, and is no longer the new girl on the block, the players ability to ignore their nearly sacrilegious mistakes will diminish greatly.  Aion and Champions won't be long behind them, along with a long list of other games besides them that are trying to push the envelope in design.  Simply put, while we have been speaking of seeing WoW suffer a major number loss over the years....I think that it will be AoC that suffers one first. 

  WoW always had very solid game strengths to lean on when times got tough.  AoC will not, having decided to leave so much missing from their game AND leave that which made it in so buggy has barely even touched.  The "New kid on the block" syndrome will affect it FAR more, and FAR quicker, than it ever could WoW.  Just the launch of two similar quality contenders will see the game hemorrhaging players as though someone ripped its legs off and left it to die.

  Even still, I think it shall retain a plenty large enough core player base to be very profitable.  Easily, it will have the 150K I've quoted many times as being well enough to repay investment and keep the game floating healthily for years.  However, they missed a great opportunity to soar....and it WILL be reflected when the time comes.

Cryptic:  "I'm givin' her all she's got cap'n!"

Originally posted by Suvroc

 

Originally posted by Gishgeron

 

Originally posted by norrisn

he needs flame proof'd clothing and tbh its justified

 

  I suppose either you can't read...or the link took ME to a different blog post than it did you.

  Here's a quick summary:

 

  "Hey, the market is stagnate with thousands of games which play EXACTLY the same...its not going to work anymore.  I"m mad that no one is even TRYING to make something new and innovative.  Its time to realize the MMO'er is now completely jaded against the stupid, boring crap we've been force fed for YEARS now."

 

  That, point blank, may as well be him also saying "Gee, the NGE was really stupid because it embodies the VERY thing I am screaming about now".  The NGE took, what was innovation and new gameplay, and replaced it with the "same old tired system that is flooding the market".  I have no ideal why anyone would read that and think ANYTHING else.

 

I could be wrong but I don't think Norrisn was saying the NGE was justified.

  Thats possible....it DID follow your post though, and you were talking about whether or not this thread was meant to justify the NGE or not.  That makes two of us whom are confused then.

  Just in case, though, I take it all back if he IS saying what you say he is.  I'll edit it if thats true.