Originally posted by Vegetto

 

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Originally posted by Mors.Magne

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Originally posted by xBlackBoxX
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As if SWTOR doesn't have depth WAT ARE U SMOKING???
SWTOR has all the depth u want for: story, pvpz, skillz, character building, wat more do u want???
Here is a hint: stop whining and play the game!!!
If they so simple, then why don't u own at them??
 

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You must be a noob.
Everything you have mentioned above is done in a very similar way in all themepark MMOs.
And if you haven't noticed the repeat PvE in SWTOR in 95% of encounters, you must have a rubbish memory.
As a previous poster said, Eve Online is really the Valhalla of MMORPGs because it is deep and it's PvP (unpredicatable humans).
However, it's not perfect. Instant gratification in Eve doesn't happen every time you log in.
 

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Add walking in stations and watch the sub rate increase tenfold...but the vets don't want that and threw a paddy, getting several of the dev team fired. They are the epitome of assholes.

This is a very interesting comment!

Personally, I am REALLY looking forward to walking in stations.

The problem is that it wasn't being developed quickly enough - Eve really needs proper new content every 6 months to keep it interesting.

Most of the devs that were fired were involved with another of CCP's projects - World of Darkness, I believe. This project has been put on ice. This game has nothing to do with Eve (personally, I think that the upcoming Secret World might have had something to do with CCP's decision).

I think walking in stations must come out, in some form or another, when DUST is released. This is because it offers a way of communication between the games.

Originally posted by xBlackBoxX

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As if SWTOR doesn't have depth WAT ARE U SMOKING???

SWTOR has all the depth u want for: story, pvpz, skillz, character building, wat more do u want???

Here is a hint: stop whining and play the game!!!

If they so simple, then why don't u own at them??

 

You must be a noob.

Everything you have mentioned above is done in a very similar way in all themepark MMOs.

And if you haven't noticed the repeat PvE in SWTOR in 95% of encounters, you must have a rubbish memory.

As a previous poster said, Eve Online is really the Valhalla of MMORPGs because it is deep and it's PvP (unpredicatable humans).

However, it's not perfect. Instant gratification in Eve doesn't happen every time you log in.

It's a very good website.

The personality questionaire predicted what ships I'm training for exactly.

Originally posted by TheeazD

Originally posted by Mors.Magne

I reckon anyone who has an opinion on level 50 PvP warzones must be a reasonably hardcore player.

 

I mean, I know SWTOR is easier to level than WoW, but even still !

 

Actually SWTOR is much harder to level in than WoW.  [mod edit]

Back in the Golden Age of WoW, many years ago, it would take months of playing to reach the level cap of 60.

In SWTOR, it takes weeks of playing.

I don't hate SWTOR. If the weakness were not discussed the game might not improve. If that happens, people in BioWare might lose their jobs - so it's a case of being 'cruel to be kind'.

One really obvious glaring fault with SWTOR is that you never see an enemy, even on a PvP server. As a result, there are no exciting running battles in SWTOR.

For example, here used to be really exciting running battles in Ashenvale in WoW. 

Originally posted by Marchosias31

Youve GOTTA BE KIDDING ME>>>

 

 

Shes an INDUSTRY LEADER?   That is probably the silliest thing ive ever read on these forums....

 

 

Because she plays the game shes an industry leader right?

 

 

Give me a break.........Shes an average pvp, if anything, a below avg......Ive seen her play....

Originally posted by treysmooth

Originally posted by Mors.Magne

Originally posted by treysmooth

Originally posted by Mors.Magne

I reckon anyone who has an opinion on level 50 PvP warzones must be a reasonably hardcore player.

 

I mean, I know SWTOR is easier to level than WoW, but even still !

 

These are the same warzones you can que for at lvl 10.

Yes, but I think it might be better to PvP when you've got your full complement of skills.

 

I could say other things about SWTOR's PvP, but I don't want to troll Pokket's thread. It's increadibly rare to have a girl playing a MMORPG and I don't want to discourage them.

Honestly it feels like the opposite for me so far.  I hit 50 a couple days ago and facing all these people w/ pvp set gear basically makes me feel pretty worthless.  The real difference in power is the gear and the fact that gear dictates your power almost completely.

Originally posted by treysmooth

Originally posted by Mors.Magne

I reckon anyone who has an opinion on level 50 PvP warzones must be a reasonably hardcore player.

 

I mean, I know SWTOR is easier to level than WoW, but even still !

 

These are the same warzones you can que for at lvl 10.

Yes, but I think it might be better to PvP when you've got your full complement of skills.

I could say other things about SWTOR's PvP, but I don't want to troll Pokket's thread. It's increadibly rare to have a girl playing a MMORPG and I don't want to discourage them.

I reckon anyone who has an opinion on level 50 PvP warzones must be a reasonably hardcore player.

I mean, I know SWTOR is easier to level than WoW, but even still !

Originally posted by snapfusion

Originally posted by Deathenger

Originally posted by I_Return

a fact is an exact number. This is not factual data, it is investor fluff to pull the declining stock  up before things get worse. Thanks fo rthe read though, it is defininetly panic mode at EA and Bioware when they need to talk numbers this early in the game.

 

Investor expected  5 million + sub sales.... they expected WoW like numbers, anything less was a failure to "an investor"

 

This

Are you both escaped mental patients?  Investors expected to pick up HALF of wows subsciption numbers (a 7 year old game) after its first month.  My god the things people will do to try to make a point.

Actually, I think most of the 'analysts' on this thread are wrong. What matters is the 'trend'.

It's too early to say what the trend will be.

I think SWTOR needs to change to continue to flourish. However, in my experience, the world is full of retarded people who will buy into anything! So who really knows!

I will not be renewing my subscription, even though I have the Collector's Edition.

SWTOR has enough storylines and instances. It now needs to branch out into whole-universe PvP and player-made content.

I don't think this will happen because this isn't the sort of management BioWare seem to have.

I've returned to Eve Online already.

Originally posted by WhiteLantern

Originally posted by Kiljaedenas

Originally posted by maplestone

Originally posted by Jowen

Hi. I'm an EVE'r. Dunno what you're talking about.

 

Mission, mission, mission, mission, mission, "epic story arc!"

( it's structured a little differently, but it's there )

 

Yes, it's there, but dude...that's maybe 10% of the game content at best. If that's all you think Eve is, you didn't put any kind of effort into discovering the deeper aspects of it.

 

But that's not different than those that say WoW and all current themeparks are nothing more than lobby-based instance-grinders because that is how people use them?

I'm not entirely sure what you mean because you've used a double negative + an 'apples and pears' comparison!

First of all, generally speaking, people don't say that themepark games are lobby-based-instance-grinders, until they get to the end game. This is because eventually the planned themepark rides run out.

With regard to Eve, the PvE missions are really only 'training and income' until you feel ready to join a player fleet. Then the game is all about PvP-ing with other fleets. Some players on your side will enevitably love to mine and manufacture and they will replace your ship losses (as long as you do what your Fleet Commander says).

The 'grind' in Eve therefore, is PvP fleet action. However, you are playing with and against highly unpredicatble and often emotional people. Fleet teamspeak with 200+ people can get intense.

This probably won't answer all your questions, but it might give you a clearer picture.

Eve Online is not stale.

However, one's experience of Eve Online is determined buy the company one decides to keep in the game.

And Eve Online always needs new content, so each 6-monthly expansion needs to be good.

OMG another SWTOR article!

BioWare must be funding these articles, surely?

Yes and no.

Yes - it's an entertaining game for 30 minutes each evening for a few months.

No - there is no reason to PvP unless seeing your name on 'top 50 list of players' really turns you on.

For longevity, Eve Online wins. 

Darkfall is the only game I know with a real sense of exploration. You might want to check it out.

However, I think the game is on the decline. The big problem with it is that it was/is a grind-fest.