I rather liked the movie and thought that the jokes were pretty funny, some were a bit flat and predictable, but for the most part they got me to laugh.

I was pleased with how they handled the sheer volume of characters, by keeping them together and not having all of these diverging plot lines they were able to effectively convey a lot more in terms of story and team progression...Joss Whedon was a very strong choice for this movie.

Sure are a lot of people badmouthing the game who never played it:

The game is phenominal until the level cap...if you only got to level 30 and lost interest, you either have ADD or you weren't paying any attention to your class story.

Yeah, the end game is lacking, and it's not as complete as WoW, but it's as complete and even better than just about every other MMO out there in terms of end-game content, ESPECIALLY considering how recent the launch was.  Realistically, the game has about double the content that WoW did at launch, it's just that the MMO playing community has become completely spoiled.

SWTOR is a massive game with a lot to offer...the problem with it is that it's based very heavily on an element that only lasts up until the level cap, that being the story.  It was a predicatble problem that I had hoped that it would overcome more adequately...sadly it has not and I will be canceling until I can play more of my class storyline, or until I get some motivation to play another class.

It's not a bad game...the end game is just not very compelling.

If they've already offerred you the job, just go and talk to them and tell them what happened, it shouldn't be a big deal.  You have very ltitle to be concerned over unless your new employer are a bunch of legalistic jerks.

I hope the Giants win, I hate Tom Brady and the whole patriots organization...bunch of arrogant ass holes.  I also think that Brady is the most overrated player in the history of professional sports.  Every championship that he has ever won has been on the back of a top 5 defense, the only time he has lost a Super Bowl is when they had a good offense and not so good defense.  Additionally, the only years that he has been able to perform at a truly top tier level has been when he has had at least two pro bowl caliber players to throw to - case in point - his record setting year with Randy Moss.  The fact that Matt Cassel was able to duplicate Brady esque numbers in his first year as a back up, and then go to Kansas City and be a miserable failure, demonstrates to me that Brady is nothing more than a product of the system.

That people would even dare to compare him to the likes of Peyton Manning is insulting.  One guy takes a season off and his team goes 10-6 regardless, the other guy takes a season off and his team goes 2-14.  You tell me which guy is a one man army.  The comparison between the two is laughable, yet people are willing to call Brady better because he has three rings.  Big friggen deal, Super Bowl rings are not won by individuals, MVP awards ARE.  If Super Bowl wins were an accurate measure of a quarterback's ability, then Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson are both Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers' equals.

Then you have Bellichek, the most unscrupulous, non classy individual in the NFL coaching arena today (barring maybe Rex Ryan for different reasons)...I don't even have to start on why old Billy Boy is a piece of human waste.

ESPN licks the collective gooch of the Patriots because they are headquartered in connecticut, which neighbors what? Oh yeah...Massachusetts, where the Patriots are THE team.  It's fanboy bias on a televised format. 

That all said.  I like the Giants to win this one.  They've been here before with the Patriots and know how to beat them.  So many teams focus on stopping the receivers, when Brady has consistently shown that he folds like a coward when you pressure him.  Look for Umenyora, Tuck, and Pierre-Paul to put a hurting on Brady throughout the game and disrupt his rhythm. 

Originally posted by Elikal

I am temped to ask, what loot did he drop?

As a religious man I pray for all who suffer and die. However... he wasn't really a great man. Many inventions were made by others and he just claimed to have made them. And his biography shows he was a deeply selfish, nasty and unpleasant person in fact. But I guess humans need their hero fantasies.

This.

I hate all of the idol worship that he's getting, it's disgusting...you know that Dennis Richie just died as well..the man who invented all of the code that Jobs used to get famous dies and nobody says a word.  The most disengenuous reason I've heard from a mac fan about it?  That Dennis Richie may not have wanted a lot of fanfare tied to his death.  Can we get an intellectually honest argument from one of these Jobs worshippers about this please?  How is it, that a man who was a brilliant inventor, who is responsible for all of Jobs' success, is hardly looked at upon his death, while Jobs is hailed as some sort of hero?  It really only speaks to this asinine mentality of Apple fans that their products somehow put them on a higher plane than others...it makes me sick.

I don't harbor any real hate for Jobs...but damn it these people who are posting facebook statuses about him being some kind of fucking hero and changing their profile pictures and posting videos...those people are ridiculous to me.

It really just exemplifies that Apple is less about a product and more about a social/pop culture movement...one based on overpriced products designed for people who can't operate simple machinery.  That is, objectively, what Apple is.  For someone like me that works in a tech related field and has been the tech guy for his friends for years...Apple is just a freaking obnoxious company...and their consumers make thigns much much worse.

Obvious troll who has never played the game is an obvious troll who has never played the game.

This is, in every respect, an MMORPG.

I think that in order to keep the balance proper, they'll need to implement classes like fire warriors and imperial guard as being extreme versions of pet classes...because one imperial guardsman should absolutely not be able to stand up to a space marine, just like one fire warrior or one Ork Boy should be able to...now that said, it would be easy to manage this by having all space marines start as scouts, who, while still superior to an individual guardsman or ork, are certainly a huge step below the fully fledged space marine in power armor.  A Nob is a match for a space marine, so perhaps having players choose at a certain point how they want to advance their character (a flash git, a nob, a vindicare temple assassin, etc) so that they CAN stand up to a space marine, who would be advanceing from scout, to tactical marine, then specializing in any number of paths.  I feel that this is essential to reamain true to the lore.  I NEVER want to see a space marine get killed by one guardsman, not ever.

regarding building your own vehicles.  No.  That is the job of the adeptus mechanicus and should be left to them.  Techmarine classes should be able to repair vehicles in the field and create little battlefield gizmos...but the construction of a vehicle in 40k takes a forge world or otherwise a large manufactorum, and it should have to be done there.  Another alternative is to allow guilds to purchase vehicles (dreadnaughts, rhinos, landspeeders, etc) at a cost of renown points that the team earns similar to City of Heroes and Planetside.  Battlefield heroics, point captures, etc, would all aid in the cost.  The ultimate purchase being something lke a Titan (Imperium), a Deff Dread(Ork), or the conjuring of a Avatar of Khaine(Eldar).  The issue with this becomes what to give the Imperium and what to give the space marines...the land raider is about the biggest vehicle that the Adeptus Astartes really uses, but doesn't feel suitably epic...so perhaps give the Imperium baneblades and the space marines Titans?  I know that Titans ARE usable by the Space Marines in the Armageddon Codex. 

Anyway, I'm glad that people are still keeping track of this game.  I really hope that it comes out and that it's great.  But the lack of information lately has been very discouraging.

Brilliant find, sent to all of my friends already haha

Just from looking at your parts...your skimping out on exactly the things that you don't want to skimp out on...Hard drive and power supply are two really common things to die, and you're going as cheap as you can...650 watts is nothing bro, and you picked a piece of doodoo at that, go bigger.

Your harddrive - if you need a SSD then cool, but that seagate has got to go...

Also - just make sure your processor and motherboard are compatible and within your price range...I currently run with a 2.9 ghz AMD quad core and it works fine, I'd like it to be a bit faster but I can still run anything that I want to run.

Seriously though bro, go bigger on your power supply and don't go with seagate, their shit is cheap.

It's militant GW2 fanboys who downhype everything with a 1 and then hype their precious game with a 10...i've not seen such rabid prerelease fanboyism for a game since Darkfall

I made the mistake of saying in my hype that the game didn't interest me in the slightest and I got some ANGRY messages from GW2 fans tellign me that I'm a huge faggot and don't know what i'm talking about...it was great.

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Will it be able to design a sandbox MMORPG that doesn't suck?

 

I don't understand how a sandbox MMO could be better than Eve...but to each his own.

Although this looks like a great diversion, I'm going to have a hard time justifying this with my RP haha.

Excited to fool around with my friends in this warzone though

Originally posted by caremuchless

Originally posted by link35

Originally posted by fundayz

Originally posted by romanator0

I find it funny how people say TOR is going to draw in people who don't play MMOs and then when people who don't play MMOs play TOR and don't like it they start complaing about how they wouldn't have liked it because they don't play MMOs.

The only non-MMO players SWTOR is going to attract are Star Wars and BioWare fanbois.

Aside from simply having more cutscenes, SWTOR is doing literally NOTHING that other established don't already offer and therefore there is nothing there to draw new people with.

You do realize that the Star Wars' fanbase is the largest fanbase in the world, not to mention that Bioware as a company has one of the largest fanbase in the industry right up there, though perhaps a bit behind, with Blizzard, Bethesda, Bungie, etc.  Those two fanbases will be a lot of people that SWTOR will bring into the MMO genre if what you say is true.

Just like Blizzard did with WoW.  Will that be a blessing or a blight on the mmo genre?  /shudder

 

There is so very much that is inaccurate about this little tiff that you two are having...niether of you have played the game, you should stop talking about what the game is or isn't doing that is new and innovative...especially the guy saying that it's doing nothing.

And yes, I've played the game...a lot.

WoW is bleeding subscriptions like a siv right now...something like 300k between May and late July?  I'm not sure of the exact figure but it's obvious that Blizzard is trying to counter the loss of subscribers by tapping into the asian market (recently purchased the rights to a web domain having to do with the Panderan, a race heavily inspired by Eastern traditions)....what this will do is alienate the western audience further and create an even better atmosphere for SWTOR's launch...paving a way for, at least an initial success.  Having played the game extensively for months, I do believe that this initial success will last for some time.

That all being said..I don't really know if this game is going to be the cause of failure for the MMO genre as a whole if it doesn't live up to expectations (it can't possibly do that anyway) but I do know that it will, if successful, be a genre defining game on a level that other companies will henceforth strive to obtain.

Take all that for what it's worth...I want this game to do well, I love Star Wars, games, and Bioware.

Since this thread is full of Guild Wars 2 fanboys, sandbox lovers, and EA haters...I'll just add this one last thing:

I've played SWTOR for months now and on the first day that preorders were offered I purchased the collector's edition.

It's the only collector's edition I've ever purchased.

This game isn't going to fail, and you hoping that it does and coming up with asenine reasons that it will, isn't going to change that fact.  Guild Wars 2 will do fine, the sandbox games will continue to be released, but the vast majority of players will still be in games like swtor and WoW...and honestly, if you hate that kind of game so much, why would you want to be surrounded by people who enjoy it?  You play your games and know that the population is going to be smaller by virtue of the gameplay...and we'll play ours.

Originally posted by Venekor

It's important that this MMO fails for the genre, otherwise we will see many more years of SWTOR clones which means many more years of WoW clones with cutscenes and probably made more linear. 

If SWTOR fails then we'll see a complete attitude change towards the genre and they'll have to do something new and innovative to kick start it again.

Funny enough I find myself hoping on SOE because their next two games are going to be sandboxes.... I never thought I would but there really is nothing to look forward to other than Planetside, EQ3 and whatever Bethesda does.

God i wish people like you would stop posting.

You will always have your sandbox games, and people who enjoy sandbox games will always flock to them before going to games like SWTOR that have story and content that doesn't need to be made up by the players...What WoW has taught us is that the vast majority of players DON'T want a sandbox...if Eve were as popular as WoW then we'd be seeing the opposite...so basically what you're getting at is that you want everyone to create games that cater to the minority, rather than the majority...and I know what you're thinking, "well if they just played a good sandbox they'd see that it's superior!"  WRONG!!  How many people have played Eve and found it overly complex and intimidating?  How many people quit SWG because there was just nothing to do? 

note: for the record, I enjoy both equally as well.  I played Eve for quite awhile as well as SWG...but I also played WoW and numerous others.

People like you are what's wrong with this genre because you think that the rise of one will mean the inherent fall of the other...and you have no regard for the supply and demand model of business.  Don't you think that these companies would make sandbox games if there was better profit in it?  Fact is, Eve is the WoW of sandbox games and I don't really see a sandbox game getting any more popular than Eve is already.  You point to Planetside but that game's not really a sandbox, I don't know if you ever played the original but there was nothing in it except fighting...I'd hardly call a game where 100% of the content is killing each other in pvp to be sandbox.

You need to wake up and realize that, had Bioware made a sandbox like you and your ilk wanted, the game wouldn't have been as successful as the game that they made instead.  SWG demonstrates this, Eve demonstrates this, Darkfall demonstrates this.  And don't tell me "OH BUT SWG ONLY FAILED CAUSE SOE"  NO...SWG failed because there was a lack of directed content from launch and SOE never truly did anything about it (an error that Eve has corrected, directed content eases players into the sandbox mentality).  People can live with bugs, they CAN'T live with there benig nothing to do.

SWTOR will be a huge success so long as Bioware can deliver end game content and continue to deliver steady updates.  If not, it'll be another Warhammer online, or DCU Online.  I hope it doesn't turn out that way because I've played the game extensively and see a ton of potential...but hey, I'm a realist.

You won't be complaining about this feature when you see how useful they are...Also, the game is completely doable without the companions. You don't NEED them in order to complete content, but they're there if you want them.  Will you be at a disadvantage?  Well yes, yes you will...but you'd also be at a disadvantage if you didn't choose to group...are we then going to say that you shouldn't be at a disadvantage no matter what you choose to do with your character?  That's preposterous.

Play the game, enjoy the game, play it the way you want to play it, but don't cry when the way you want to play it isn't as competetive as a common sense solution.  Star Wars is rarely about solo affairs, and likewise SWTOR has a few solo affairs that don't involve your companion...so...what's the problem again?

Originally posted by ukforze

Originally posted by gaou

Originally posted by ukforze

According to what this map says along with browsing about & my own personal knowledge

brings me to the conclusion that bioware are making it up as they go along :)

 

No but seriously this map is a lucas arts map & it has no mention of any of the planets,

yet LA would of given bioware the info needed or are LA making it up as they go along

as they have in the past?

 http://images.wikia.com/swrp/images/3/31/Star-wars-galaxy-map-big-version-detailed12.jpg

i found 11 of the 15 planets that were around before this game in some other star wars EU source on that map. the ones missing are Dromund kaas, ilum, taris, and tython

http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu347/lemric1/star_wars_map_star_wars_galaxy_map_official_galactic_map_star_wars_universe_1.jpg?t=1311972613

 

i found 14 of them on this map.

http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu347/lemric1/Star-Wars.jpg?t=1311972130

the only one missing is dromund kaas.  there are 2 dots real close together for hutta and nar shadda since they are very close to each other

 

The second map is not an official LA map though, but anyway...

 

 

Whats the point of the IP if they make up planets that arent part of the IP?

if you cant stick to the lore & info of the IP, the IP becomes a little worthless does it not?

Then again it's just another notch on the list of things making me think its not going to

be my cup of tea, i hope im wrong.

making two original planets means that they aren't sticking to the IP?  I'd rather have two extra planets that they created than none at all...It's a chance for Bioware to expand upon something. You realize that 90% of Star Wars lore is EU and therefore is someone other than Lucas making stuff up right?  Why doesn't Bioware get to do that in their game?  Revan and Malak weren't a part of Star Wars lore before Bioware made them up, but i doubt that you complained about them.