All Posts by Pappy13

Originally posted by saint4God

Originally posted by Azrile

to be fair.. i said intuitive, not idiot proof.   

 

As an idiot myself, I appreciate the clarification ;-). 

"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." -  Douglas Adams

I always wondered if there are those who would work to sabotage their side because they usually play the other.  <_< .... >_>

Been doing a lot of scenario's myself in Warhammer and even something as simple as take and hold the flag is a foreign concept to some.  Then when the horn goes off and it says on the screen "You have 10 seconds to run like hell" and people just stand there, it's a wonder the Order EVER wins. :)

My guess would be that your account was hacked before it was banned. 

When was the last time you logged in?  You might try logging into your account thru the account management page and see if you can.  Even though you cannot play the game, you should still be able to login to your account to manage it.  If not, then it was probably hacked and the password changed.

If you get the following, your password has not been changed, but that doesn't necessarily mean the account wasn't hacked.  If still could have been, but they just didn't bother to change your password.

"Access to this World of Warcraft account has been disabled by Blizzard Entertainment. For more information, including the amount of time it will be in place, please check the email address registered on the account. All information and any updates on the account will have been sent there by the Account Administration team. Please be sure to check "junk" or "spam" folders as well, since notification emails may have been routed there as well.

Possible reasons for this account status may include:

Temporarily locked because of an ownership dispute.
Temporarily suspended for breaking Terms of Use or game policy.
Permanently banned for more serious violations
Temporarily locked by Billing due to possible fraudulent activity."

Originally posted by Thenarius

Originally posted by Pappy13

Since Blizzard has already announced a release date of November 13, that means the code they have now is basically finished and they could ship it like it is today.  It will take them about another 2 months to fix a few more small problems, go gold, make enough copies of the master copy, package it and ship it out to be in the stores around the world on November 13.  Blizzard doesn't set a release date unless they already know the development process is complete.

Think you're joking. There are plenty of problems in beta and those aren't small ones. Classes are really bad balanced. Those 2 months are there for a solid reason.

Nope, I'm not joking.

They will most likely release a patch that will be the first thing you download at release that will fix (or at least attempt to fix)  most of the remaining issues.  They need a good couple of weeks to create the gold, burn all the CD's, package and ship it to all the distribution outlets etc.  For the most part the code they have now is what will go gold.  Of course you're not testing the latest and greatest code in beta, you are testing the beta code.  Blizzard is usually doing internal testing with code that is one version greater than the one you are testing.  Any problems found in the beta or on the public test realms from now till release will most likely be fixed in the patch you will download at release, it won't make it to gold, but as far as your concerned it really won't matter, because the first thing you have to do is download the patch.  Why do you think you always have to download a patch just after you bought the CD?  Because they have fixed issues in the last couple weeks that didn't make it into the gold.

For example, Warhammer online went gold on August 26th.  That code is already outdated.  Anyone who installs from the CD will get a patch the first thing they log in to catch it up to current code that the head start people already have.

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Originally posted by Z3R01

 Let me explain in my time away I quested in Eq2 and Lotro, explored in Ryzom and vanguard and pvped in Eve,GW and WAR (OB).

I tried guys, I really did but wow is not for me anymore.

So which game are you playing now?

Originally posted by nakuma

well stated pappy13, and i agree whole heartedly. alot of people dont really understand what is involved in the process of designing and implementation updates, or expansions to a big game such as WOW. as you said its not as easy as just slapping together and shipping it out, it takes a good while to implement a design, code it, add art assets, and game mechanics. i understand the process as I was in an indie MMO project myself and its not easy to say the least there is alot involved. and thats putting it mildly.

Thanks.  All you have to do is look at games like Vanguard and Conan which were in development for years and still had lots of issues to work through after release.  Your first thought is "What have they been doing all this time?"  Well I can tell you that they haven't just been sitting around drinking coffee and eating donuts, they've been working on it.  Probably most of the developers were putting in 50-60 hour weeks or more near the end of the development process, but the bigger the project, the more things that can and will go wrong.

Since Blizzard has already announced a release date of November 13, that means the code they have now is basically finished and they could ship it like it is today.  It will take them about another 2 months to fix a few more small problems, go gold, make enough copies of the master copy, package it and ship it out to be in the stores around the world on November 13.  Blizzard doesn't set a release date unless they already know the development process is complete.

Originally posted by Bukk24

 I think WOW is great..at least I did, but this endless information dripped wait for an expansion that really should have been here months ago really has taken its toll on my interest.  Its only a ten level expansion and yet its taken 2 years, virtually, to get here, with many continually paying subs with ever changing release date expectations. They really should have at least introduced a couple of new battlegrounds into the game regardless of the expansion.  I am definately going to play WAR from the 18th, mainly because I struggle to even contemplate logging on to WOW at the minute. I personally think Blizzard themselves are developing newer games and that this has taken a bit of a back seat..at this rate you won't see lev 80 to 90 christmas 2010.  We should really have been climbing to 100 by now after 4 years...

I'm a software developer for a large corporation and I can assure you that your sentiments are echoed by every customer of software developers around the world...they always think it should take less time or that more should be implemented.  The reality is that software development is not something that can be slapped together and shipped out.  It takes months of planning, meetings etc just to come up with a solid design.  Then that design must be implemented by the software developers and the reality is that designs are NEVER 100% complete because as you begin to develop and start to consider every possible situation, some things just weren't considered in the design.  This requires the developers to go back to the designers and ask them how it should work and the design is changed.  Sometimes, if the change is large enough, it affects other parts of the design and things that have already been developed must be changed.  This will happen many many times throughout the software development cycle.  Finally, after much work and rework people begin testing the software and what appeared like a good idea on paper, in practice doesn't work nearly as well as you'd like, so back to the design and development stage and more work and rework.  When finally you have a finished design and the code matches the design, there's still the matter of fixing bugs, polishing things, making changes for effeciency and so on.  This is a long and hard process and it becomes longer and harder the more you attempt to add for a given release.

I know 2 years sounds like an awful long time, but if you have ever been in software development, you'll know that 6 months is usually required for a fairly small change just to work thru analysis, design, code, test and implementation.  There have been a lot of fundamental changes to the game for things like a new class, multiple person mounts, siege weapons, destructable buildings and so on and so forth.  All that takes time.  I'm sure that Blizzard themselves would love to have added more, but it's tougher than you think.

That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Originally posted by miagisan

i never understood why people wait to preorder....it doesnt cost you anything until it ships..../boggle

I quit preordering the day that my copy of Diablo II was still in the mail when I could walk into any Best Buy and pick up a copy.  It doesn't cost you anything till you walk out of the store with it either.

Originally posted by MrVicchio

Originally posted by Pappy13

Originally posted by MrVicchio

 Pappy, the point of WoW is to grind for gear against nominally the PvE enviroment.  Even the PVP (AV being prime) is geared around this.

 

WAR is about the WAR.  The end game of both is as wildly diferent as you can get.  The end objectives are as different as they come.

 

And your wrong about the graphics, I was running in T2 Scenario today, and I felt like I was playing DAoC 2 rather then anthing WoW like.  If you played DAoC for long enough, you'll see it's ghost in WAR, and it's a beautiful thing to see.

 

Okay so you're saying the end game is different.  I'll concede that a little, however how you get to the end game is virtually the same.

If by that you mean you do things to gain gear and level, yes.

Both have quests, both have "grind", both get you to the "end game".

 

There are two differences.  

1.  You can PvP, PVE, or mix the two to get to 40 in WAR (You HAVE to pvp to get to rr80)

WoW, you basically have to PvE.

2.  The reason you reach the end game is different.

In WoW you reach 70 (soon 80) to run the high end scripted events to get a shot at a peice of random gear.

In WAR you reach the high end raids on the enmy capitol and taking down the enemy.  Nto gearing yourself up.

 

Taht to me, makes the two as different as Pancakes and Waffles, only my Pankakes have blueberries in them, your pancakes are jsut plain.

I think there are 2 different types of people that play MMO's.  There are those who are in it for the rewards (usually referred to as hard core) and there are those who are in it to have fun (usually referred to as casuals).  I would probably fall into the latter category even though I hate that term because most confuse the word casual with someone who doesn't play much, but that's a different discussion.

Hard core players see things one way.  They use a lot of words like "have to" ,  "grind" and "end game", etc.

Casuals see things much differently.  They use words like "want to", "questing" and "leveling".

I think your opinion comes from more of a hard core perspective and that's fine.  However there's a whole group out there just as large as the group you belong to that has a different perspective that see's things a lot closer to how I see them.  We don't ever NEED to do ANYTHING, because we are not in it for the reward, we are in it because we want to be.  PvE and PvP are not ways to reach max level or get gear, they are simply different ways to play the game.  So the fact that in War PvP helps you reach max level whereas in WoW it's more about the gear is completely irrelevent to us.  We couldn't care less because we're not pursuing max level or better gear, we are pursuing fun. 

So I see your point for the hard core folks, but those points are meaningless to casuals and that's a very large group of people.  To casuals the games are very similar.  They both have PvP and PvE which are very much alike.  So while I agree with you on some points, I think it really only pertains to the Hard Core player.  Casuals won't see the distinction.

That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Originally posted by Daffid011

Warhammer is going to sell a crazy amount of copies.  With WoW being practically the only game on the block for 4 years, people are craving something new.  Just look at Conan.  Even with bad word of mouth coming out before launch it still closed in on a million very quickly.  People want something new and warhammer is the newest game to come out.

 

Everyone focuses on how new and "different" warhammer is, which I disagree with.   Outside of the public quests and world pvp, it is mostly been there, done that. People who are bored with WoW are going to blow through this game right to level 40.  I am concerned, because endgame looks to be very small and repetative.  No I have not been there, but that is my initial impression.  That is why I think people who got burned out on WoW will just get burned out again in Warhammer, but even quicker.  The PvP might be the next best thing since sliced bread, but the PvE is pretty boring.  Variety keeps people subbed.

 

Someone above mentioned that it is in out best interest to have another successful game on the market and I couldn't agree more with that statement.  Not for the reasons Paul Barnet stated in his blog, but for reasons similiar enough.  In the end I think warhammer will average out to be a good game with about 10-20% of wows current subs, but I think most of those are going to come from people who are already gone from WoW.  On top of that are people who will carry subs to both games, which everyone seems to think is impossible.  This is my current thoughts for both games in 1 year.

4.5 million US/EU current subs, but that doesn't include how ever many that quit.   I suspect the overall total subscribers for WoW+Warhammer will be more that WoW has right now.

 

 

Agreed with just about everything you said.  War will do well, but not at the expense of WoW, rather in addition to WoW.  I'm actually rooting for War to bring a little competition into the genre and take a little heat off of WoW.  People need to move on and quit blaming WoW for everything the MMO genre is not.

Originally posted by Burnthebed

Originally posted by Pappy13

Originally posted by Strike2k

Originally posted by Pappy13

Originally posted by Liberdat

no offence mate but your still in the wow is amazing phase, you need to give other games a proper chance and not just think wow wow wow, i played wow alot and yeah it was a great game, but some of the features are just not up to par. and with the new expansion its getting more obvious that there worried about their lifespan. i honestly can see this game going like SWG did eventually.

why bother with a graphics update the main sucess of wow was the fact that it can run on the crappiest of systems even a generic 32mb graphics card can run the game. thats whats makes it so easy to play and so sucessful. appealing to the masses.

 

war's graphics are abit better but not too high and it can still run on lower performance machines. its all business. get the biggest share of the market as possible.

 

No offense taken, but I am giving it a proper chance.  I've been playing the open beta for the last 2 days.  I've only got 2 characters to around level 7, but still I think I have a pretty good handle on the game.  I'm sure that there's still a lot of content to get to, but I don't really think it will be significantly different from what I've been doing so far other than maybe the RvR stuff.  I've only scratched the surface on professions, I'd like to venture into that some.  I also need to see Tier 2 RvR which everyone seems to be saying I need to get to.  I'm getting there.

I've been in the same state for the last 4 years.  When someone comes out with something better, I'll be first in line to purchase it.  Until then I'll stick with what I know works.  I've tried City of Heroes/Villians,  LoTRO, Tabula Rasa, Guild Wars and now War.  All of them have been different from WoW, but none of them have been better than WoW.  I want better before I switch, not just different.

 

  That sentence made me LOL irl. I got to level 20 in OB and the game play was way different (in a good way) then it was at level 7. PQs get more challenging, Gear gets alot better, and so does RvR. Using siege weapons on a keep made me feel like a kid again playing mario brothers for the first time. It's its own little mini game.

   You really didn't get a feel for War only getting to level 7. At level 40 you'll have upwards of 30-40 skills to use depending on your class. And thats excluding Renown Tactics, Morale abilities and the tactics involved in pvp combat.

 

Ok, well I've made it to level 10 now on a couple different characters and gotten my first morale abilities and have seen no difference than at level 7.  Yes you are going to have more skills and abilities the higher you go which changes things a bit, but it  doesn't change the gameplay fundamentally.  I've not encountered siege weapons and keeps, I'll give you that, but other than that nothing you have mentioned sounds fundamentally different.

 

First I'd like to say that I really appreciate posters like you. You are very obviously a big fan of WoW, which is awesome for you and I say more power to you, but you aren't some mindless fanboy coming here and bashing every other game just to do it. You've given a very honest opinion, and even admitted to the amount of play time put in to WAR which is cool. So yeah, keep not being crazy and help make MMORPG.com forums not as insane.

That said I personally feel the exact opposite of you in regards to WAR and WoW. WoW does nothing for me because I personally hate the way the game is made, basically  a time sink. Whereas I can play WAR for as little or as long as I want and always feel like I did something fun and meaningful. Again though, thats just me, and I did play WoW for about 4 months and had a decent time.

To the OP I suggest giving the DDO 10 day trial a shot as I also sub to that and its hella fun.

Thank you, I appreciate that and I appreciate the fact you see that I AM giving the game a fair shot.  It's a good game and I'm sure that many will enjoy it.  Not everyone will, just like not everyone likes WoW.
 

Originally posted by MrVicchio

 Pappy, the point of WoW is to grind for gear against nominally the PvE enviroment.  Even the PVP (AV being prime) is geared around this.

 

WAR is about the WAR.  The end game of both is as wildly diferent as you can get.  The end objectives are as different as they come.

 

And your wrong about the graphics, I was running in T2 Scenario today, and I felt like I was playing DAoC 2 rather then anthing WoW like.  If you played DAoC for long enough, you'll see it's ghost in WAR, and it's a beautiful thing to see.

Okay so you're saying the end game is different.  I'll concede that a little, however how you get to the end game is virtually the same.

Originally posted by Strike2k

Originally posted by Pappy13

Originally posted by Liberdat

no offence mate but your still in the wow is amazing phase, you need to give other games a proper chance and not just think wow wow wow, i played wow alot and yeah it was a great game, but some of the features are just not up to par. and with the new expansion its getting more obvious that there worried about their lifespan. i honestly can see this game going like SWG did eventually.

why bother with a graphics update the main sucess of wow was the fact that it can run on the crappiest of systems even a generic 32mb graphics card can run the game. thats whats makes it so easy to play and so sucessful. appealing to the masses.

 

war's graphics are abit better but not too high and it can still run on lower performance machines. its all business. get the biggest share of the market as possible.

 

No offense taken, but I am giving it a proper chance.  I've been playing the open beta for the last 2 days.  I've only got 2 characters to around level 7, but still I think I have a pretty good handle on the game.  I'm sure that there's still a lot of content to get to, but I don't really think it will be significantly different from what I've been doing so far other than maybe the RvR stuff.  I've only scratched the surface on professions, I'd like to venture into that some.  I also need to see Tier 2 RvR which everyone seems to be saying I need to get to.  I'm getting there.

I've been in the same state for the last 4 years.  When someone comes out with something better, I'll be first in line to purchase it.  Until then I'll stick with what I know works.  I've tried City of Heroes/Villians,  LoTRO, Tabula Rasa, Guild Wars and now War.  All of them have been different from WoW, but none of them have been better than WoW.  I want better before I switch, not just different.

 

  That sentence made me LOL irl. I got to level 20 in OB and the game play was way different (in a good way) then it was at level 7. PQs get more challenging, Gear gets alot better, and so does RvR. Using siege weapons on a keep made me feel like a kid again playing mario brothers for the first time. It's its own little mini game.

   You really didn't get a feel for War only getting to level 7. At level 40 you'll have upwards of 30-40 skills to use depending on your class. And thats excluding Renown Tactics, Morale abilities and the tactics involved in pvp combat.

Ok, well I've made it to level 10 now on a couple different characters and gotten my first morale abilities and have seen no difference than at level 7.  Yes you are going to have more skills and abilities the higher you go which changes things a bit, but it  doesn't change the gameplay fundamentally.  I've not encountered siege weapons and keeps, I'll give you that, but other than that nothing you have mentioned sounds fundamentally different.

Originally posted by NagelFire

While I do think gear from raiding Arthas will have absoutly INSANE amounts of stamina on it..  I can put up with that because most classes will get a major hp buff.. But 22k hp with 750 resil seems like a 30 minute fight to me.

Just my two cents.

Are you sure you are going to be able to get both the stamina and resilience at the same time?  Maybe you can hit 22k OR 750 resilience, but not both?  I don't know, I'm just asking.

Originally posted by saint4God

Originally posted by Pappy13

A small number are in denial or just think it's hip to bash on WoW and will buy the game anyway.  Most that buy the game though have never posted a negative thing about it.

I suspect you're right that most people buy and never post anything negative about it.  I also suspect that most buy and never post anything positive about it.

/agreed

Originally posted by Pappy13

Originally posted by ronan32

Originally posted by Pappy13

Originally posted by Liberdat

no offence mate but your still in the wow is amazing phase, you need to give other games a proper chance and not just think wow wow wow, i played wow alot and yeah it was a great game, but some of the features are just not up to par. and with the new expansion its getting more obvious that there worried about their lifespan. i honestly can see this game going like SWG did eventually.

why bother with a graphics update the main sucess of wow was the fact that it can run on the crappiest of systems even a generic 32mb graphics card can run the game. thats whats makes it so easy to play and so sucessful. appealing to the masses.

 

war's graphics are abit better but not too high and it can still run on lower performance machines. its all business. get the biggest share of the market as possible.

 

No offense taken, but I am giving it a proper chance.  I've been playing the open beta for the last 2 days.  I've only got 2 characters to around level 7, but still I think I have a pretty good handle on the game.  I'm sure that there's still a lot of content to get to, but I don't really think it will be significantly different from what I've been doing so far other than maybe the RvR stuff.  I've only scratched the surface on professions, I'd like to venture into that some.  I also need to see Tier 2 RvR which everyone seems to be saying I need to get to.  I'm getting there.

I've been in the same state for the last 4 years.  When someone comes out with something better, I'll be first in line to purchase it.  Until then I'll stick with what I know works.  I've tried City of Heroes/Villians,  LoTRO, Tabula Rasa, Guild Wars and now War.  All of them have been different from WoW, but none of them have been better than WoW.  I want better before I switch, not just different.

 

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Actually I've been playing the beta for 5 days straight and I'm probably going to buy the game.  Yeah, that's right I'm probably going to purchase Warhammer.

Now that doesn't mean I'm giving up on WoW.  I'm going to be buying the expansion, but this will be a nice diversion until WoTLK is released.  Of all the post WoW MMO's I've played, this one is the best.

Sorry to reply to my own post, but I've changed my mind about purchasing War again.  Seeing as how WoTLK is now scheduled to release Nov 13 and the player test realm has been opened up to try some of the new stuff being implemented, I think I'll wait for the expansion.  I have enjoyed some of my time in the War open beta, but I've also found some things annoying and troublesome.  I still think it will do at least as well as LoTRO has done, but don't think it will do much better.  It's the best of the MMO's that have been released since WoW, but as long as WoW keeps upgrading themselves to match what the competition is doing, I don't see any change in the near future in the MMO fantasy genre.  Something special is going to have to come along to changes things and I still haven't seen it.

Originally posted by MrVicchio

The two appeal to completely different, and opposing player bases.

I don't think that's completely true, I think they both appeal to pretty much the same player base.  The games are not as different as the folks over there in the other forums claim.  I have been playing the open beta every night for 7 strai