All Posts by Pappy13

This explains it all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuMZ73mT5zM

I'm curious why you left out Guild Wars?  I think it could be quite interesting to see how many people here play that versus the P2P model.  Now, I wouldn't extend that to the F2P's because there's simply too many of them and....well because they are free which I think a lot of people play just because they are free and are looking for something to do.

And should that be June 2008 since it's July?

Originally posted by Thradar

1)  Worst...community...EVER.  Hands down.  The generalization of it being full of elitist kiddies is, well, generally true.  The chat channels are completely useless because they're clogged with "ur mom" jokes, or Chuck Norris BS 24/7/365.  This pisses off a lot of dedicated mmo players (not first timers like most WoW players).

It doesn't piss off the long time dedicated MMO players that don't look at the general chat channels either.  They couldn't care less what's there because it doesn't affect them in the least.  They use the tools that are free from the noise like the friends list, personal messages, guild chat, party chat, raid chat, the auction house etc.

Originally posted by Emotions

That one is better when people don't have the money to afford better. What i mean is you can afford something but its not finished and some people don't mind that. Or they just try to justify there choice of game just to make them feel better about wasting there money on it.

Well that's a good point.  Sometimes you have a builder that takes their time, inspects the work regularly and makes certain that any problems are fixed.  Then they give the owners the chance to inspect the house completely and note any problems they find and they fix them before finally turning over the keys to the house.  They don't set dates for the house to be completed because they don't know when that date will be.

Then you have other builders who show you the outside and say "Doesn't it look good?  Here are the keys.  Bye".  They set the date that they expect to be done and they do their best to have all the problems fixed by that date, but if they are not, well the date has come.

So how do both of these builders survive?  Well the first builder has built up a long reputation of building great houses and they are very protective of that reputation.  People who have bought from this builder in the past tend to come back and buy a 2nd or 3rd house from them.  The 2nd builder is just looking to sell you the one house.  He expects that you probably won't buy another house from him, but there are lots of other people out there that have never heard of him, so he isn't worried that you won't buy from him again.

Sounds familiar doesn't it?

Originally posted by Emotions

I can't believe that people still justify games that are not finished and still being released.

its like making something half done and then expect to get payed for it.

You ask me to make you a house and i make one but without a roof. Would you pay for that? Its seems to me A LOT of people won't mind it. They would say something like: hey lets wait another few months in the hope someone fixes the roof.

If you can't finish up a game @ release date then postpone the game. Yes i know game company's don't have the money for postponing every time. But then make a better plan or cut back on the content. (make less levels or something like that) 

I keep getting this feeling its the most normal thing there is with mmo's. WTF?

Actually I don't think that's a good analogy at all.  A much better analogy would be that you pay someone to build you a house and they do and it looks pretty good from the outside and then you get inside and realize that the sink leaks, the lights in the basement don't work, the front door doesn't shut tight, there are cracks in the foundation, etc.  It's not that the house isn't finished, it's that the house is poorly constructed.  I think that's a better analogy.  If it were missing a roof, no one would say the house is acceptable, but these other things...some are able to accept them easier than others and just expect them to be fixed by the builder fairly quickly.

Now please don't call me a fanboy of any game.  I've never played AoC.  I've never played Vanguard.  I'm not trying to put on spin on it, I'm just stating my opinion on how some people can continue to defend those games whereas others feel they are total failures.

Originally posted by Copeland

 

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Originally posted by Nunez1212
I was just wondering why lots of people seem to hate WoW with a passion. I never played the game past level 10, but I thought it was the biggest P2P game out there. This being said...you would think that more people would be talking about the game being awesome instead of most being saying things like "Shut up and go back to WoW". Are they angry just because it's a casual game...and some people think it's  hardcore? I was just wondering what some people thought. I was actually thinking of playing WoW because I have some friends that play it, but I figured there is a reason everyone hates it, and I would like to know. Thanks in advance.

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I hate it because it's too easy. I hate it becuase it makes game developers make games for the lowest common denominator aka people too stupid to play a complex sandbox. I hate it because once you max your levels your done. I hate it because it has an end. I hate it because the graphics are cheese. I hate it because it's simplistic, linear and unimaginative.

You must hate a lot of games.

Originally posted by Rogue420

I started playing WoW around 3 to 4 years ago. TBC IMO was a major disappointment. There was nothing I liked about TBC. I didn't like most of the zones, the pve content, EotS, areNAH (it could've worked if done correctly), flying mounts (ruined what was left of world pvp), races, shat being the new IF/Org, and some other crap. There's a lot of thing I like about WotLK... Like the zones, another class, and new profession. Now for my concerns... I really hope they don't balance everything around areNAH and focus on it too much (like TBC). Flying mounts need to be fixed to bring back world pvp. Making the game too casual... I hope it doesn't get to the point were Blizzard holds your hand 1-80 and then gives you endgame epics in a gift basket as soon as you hit lvl80.BTW, seeing scrubs running around in epics defeats the purpose of calling the gear EPIC.

 

Also we better be getting a cool BG.

Just curious how flying mounts killed world PvP when flying mounts aren't even allowed in Azeroth and they couldn't have killed world PvP in Outlands since Outlands didn't exist before TBC?

Originally posted by Xiaoki

Originally posted by Rogue420

Dual wielding 2h is the stupidest idea ever. Even if it's not OP, it's just insanely stupid to the max. The point of a 2h is needing both hands to use it.

 

BTW, I bet Mr. Tom Chilton (Kalgan) came up with this brilliant idea.

 

You'd be wrong.

Titan Grip in WoW is a rip off of a skill called Titan Grip in Diablo 2.

I hope you take this utter failure of yours as a learning experience.

There was no skill called Titan Grip in Diablo 2 that I remember.  Couldn't find it on the official page either.
 

Originally posted by Adamantine

 

Originally posted by xenogias

Originally posted by Adamantine

Originally posted by Wolfenpride

People hate it because its the best.

Just have to quote this. All stupidity of the arguments of WoW fanboys in just one single sentence. That makes no sense whatsoever: if it would be the best - why hate it instead of playing it ?

Nice way to cut out the rest of what he said.

Nice way to complain about the presentation if you are out of other arguments ?

Originally posted by Wolfenpride

People hate it because its the best.

I can understand if one doesnt want to play it, but the hate for it is ridiculous if you were to ask me. I don't play it, I never got past 40+ when I did play, but I still think its darn good mmo.

There. Full posting. Same meaning as before.

 

I don't think you fully understand what he's trying to say.  Let me put it into my own words and the way I see it.

People hate it because many believe it's the best and they don't.

That's what the guy was saying.  There's nothing stupid about that statement at all.  The stupidity comes from the fact that the hatred is over a difference of opinion.  That's stupid.

Originally posted by Vozz

Age of Conan's problems have nothing at all to do with World of Warcraft. I bought AoC, played it, and found it much more enjoyable than WoW. However, the Funcom devs seem to have no idea how to build a stable game. Before yesterday's patch, I had the game up and running smoothly at around 60fps...now, the graphics refuse to display. As with many of the trophy heads in your picture, what's killing AoC isn't WoW, but developer incompetence.

Also, seeing as LOTRO is thriving in its niche of Tolkien fans and is about to release an expansion this fall, I'd hardly call it dead.

Well I don't think the OP was insinuating that WoW was necessarily the reason for a games popularity or lack thereof, but rather that each game has failed to put WoW on it's wall so to speak.  They all wanted to grab what WoW has and for whatever reason hasn't been able to do that.  I don't really consider any of the games on that wall failures necessarily, just that they haven't been able to wrestle the title away from Blizz.

Thank you.  Very funny.  Sent the pic to all my guildies including 2 who played AoC for about a month and have come back to WoW.  They still think they may return to AoC, but after a little more work has been done on it. 

Originally posted by Da1e

Ahh very nice :)

I thought it was like a buddy key type of thing.

 

I suppose they already give 10 days free to anyone, seems like a good system :)

They have that too, but if you don't have an existing account, then you can only play the original game, not the expansion.

Originally posted by Da1e

thanks. If I don't use it within 30 days do you get to send it to another person or do you lose it altogether?

I don't lose it no matter what.  Here's what happens, when you use the scroll you'll get 10 days of free play time.  After those 10 days are up, if you decide to pay for a month of WoW, then I will get a month of WoW for free and I get another scroll to send out.  If you decide not to pay for WoW or not use the scroll, then nothing happens.  After about 30 days, if you have not resubscribed then the scroll expires and I get a fresh one to send out if I want. 

Every existing WoW player can have up to 5 active scrolls at once, I still have 4 left to send out, so it doesn't matter to me whether you use it or not.  It's completely up to you.  The only way I really benefit in any way is if you end up resubscribing.  If you don't use it or don't resubscribe, eventually it will just fall off my account and I'll get another one that I can send to someone else.  It's a great little program designed just for people like you who are considering coming back to the game.  It's a way for you to try the game in it's full glory including the expansion for 10 days and see if you like it and would like to come back.  It's a shame that more people don't know the program even exists.

One small thing I overlooked, I see you live in the UK.  The scroll I sent can only be used on a North American account since that is what my account is.  If your account is a EU account, then you'll need to get a scroll from someone with a EU account.  Look at the threads in this forum, pinned at the top there is one called scroll of ressurection.  That thread is for people to post that they have scrolls or would like one.  You can either find someone who posted there that has a EU scroll and send them an e-mail or you could just post at the bottom for someone to send you one and you will get one.  Sorry I didn't mention it before, I didn't think to check to see where you lived before I sent you one. :)

Scroll sent.  Hope you enjoy the game.

Originally posted by Da1e

Originally posted by Pappy13

Originally posted by Da1e

Right,

I played WoW a few years back, back when it was just regular WoW, and MC was the best end game instance out there.

I loved this, but gradually got bored due to various reasons, more me needing something else to do rather the pc game...but that's besides the point.

 

basically, I need to know whether it's still fun?? I know it has millions of players etc, but would I just feel like the game had been ruined if I came back now?

I loved instances, mid levels were a blast, are there any more?

what happened to the level 60 instances like MC and BWL? do people still do them?

are there many more single bosses like onyxia?

 

what is the newest PvP game like? people still play Alterac valley, and what level does that start?

 

Impossible to answer you.  Things have changed.  For the good or the bad is up to you to decide.  Many believe the game was best when you played it.  Others have welcomed the changes and wouldn't go back for the world.  If you really want to know, get someone to give you a scroll of resurrection.  That will give you 10 days of time to come back and play for free.  You be the judge.  There's a pinned link at the top of this forum, dozens of people wanting to give away a scroll of ressurection, or send me a PM with your e-mail address and I'll send you one.
 

 

Ahhh ok.

thanks, but I think if I start it again I'd use a completely new guy, start up with some friends.

 

one more question, would I have to buy regular WoW AND Burning crusades?

or just BC

You can start a brand new character.  You can pick a new server.  You can do whatever you want.  None of that changes with a scroll of resurrection.  All the scroll does is reactivate your old account for 10 days free.  You don't have to pay a dime.  Not only that but it reactivates the account for BC so you can actually go in and see what the expansion is like without purchasing it.  You can try the 2 new races.  If you have an existing level 60 character, you can take him to Outlands and see what it's like.  You can do the arena's and check out all the BG's and see what they are like.  You have complete access to EVERYTHING.

The best thing for you to do is to try the game again for a couple days.  In 10 days you can pretty much tell whether or not you are "into" it.  If you are, then just pay the monthly fee to continue playing.  If you haven't bought BC and want to play BC, then you'll have to purchase it at that time and you can do that online.  Trust me, this will answer ALL your questions. 

Some of the people here have agenda's and bones to pick with the game.  You will NOT get a fair answer to your questions listening to them.  Do yourself a favor and try it free for 10 days, then decide for yourself. 

Now if you can't remember your account information you should be able to find that out from Blizzard.  I think you just have to give them your e-mail address that you used to create the account and they'll send an e-mail to that address with the information.  If you don't know the e-mail address than you can call Blizzard customer support and if you can answer some information, they'll give you the account information.  There's no point in purchasing again what you have already paid for.

Originally posted by Da1e

Right,

I played WoW a few years back, back when it was just regular WoW, and MC was the best end game instance out there.

I loved this, but gradually got bored due to various reasons, more me needing something else to do rather the pc game...but that's besides the point.

 

basically, I need to know whether it's still fun?? I know it has millions of players etc, but would I just feel like the game had been ruined if I came back now?

I loved instances, mid levels were a blast, are there any more?

what happened to the level 60 instances like MC and BWL? do people still do them?

are there many more single bosses like onyxia?

 

what is the newest PvP game like? people still play Alterac valley, and what level does that start?

 

Impossible to answer you.  Things have changed.  For the good or the bad is up to you to decide.  Many believe the game was best when you played it.  Others have welcomed the changes and wouldn't go back for the world.  If you really want to know, get someone to give you a scroll of resurrection.  That will give you 10 days of time to come back and play for free.  You be the judge.  There's a pinned link at the top of this forum, dozens of people wanting to give away a scroll of ressurection, or send me a PM with your e-mail address and I'll send you one.
 

Originally posted by Curate

Originally posted by Pappy13

Originally posted by Curate

That's WoW, the "seamless" (barring all the mountains and impassable forest and weird city pass-throughs and so forth)

Wrong game.  You're thinking of another.  Impassable forests?  Weird city pass-throughs?  Mountains... yeah, at least till you get a flying mount or take a flight path and then those are passable too.  What are you talkin' about?

I'm talking about the 'bottlenecks' when you're traveling on the ground and have the ability to interact with the environment (unlike, say, taking a flight path). WoW does a good job of masking them, such as the dogleg at the Org gate, the lift to go down to Thousand Needles, those gates between sections of Silvermoon, and so forth. They create these barriers to help with zone transitions while the game loads up data.

Well I don't really see what those things have to do with impassable forests, but assuming you are correct and they were put there to help with smooth transitions (which personally I think is a bit of a reach unless you have some kind of knowledge you would like to share, like maybe you were part of the design or development team), that was a bit of stroke of genius in my mind because until you brought it up, it had never even occurred to me that I was being duped.  Silly me.

Originally posted by Acromo

Originally posted by Pappy13

After watching the gameplay trailer, the WoW killer for me could be Diablo III.  Looks pretty awesome.  It's not an MMO, but who cares?

 

You mean that game with a 2D scrolling map like Zaxxon in 1984?

Diablo 3 is a complete failure. It should have been developped in full 3D not in a technique used in the last two centuries...

1/10.

No, not that one.  The one that looks better then every single "fully 3D" game yet created and it's probably still a year away from release.  You know, the one with the realistic looking water effects, the one with the havoc physics engine, the one with the badass looking barbarian, the one with the destructable environment...THAT ONE!!!  Dude have you not been paying attention, Diablo 3 man?  Do a google search, I'm sure you'll find it, everyone is talking about how great it looks.  I don't know what you are talking about.

Here some links for you in case you are having trouble spelling it...

http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/launchreview.asp?reviewid=947925

http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/launchreview.asp?reviewid=947978

http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/launchreview.asp?reviewid=948014

Personally I'd go with Dawn of War over Starcraft, but that's just my personal opinion.  It's gonna be interesting when Dawn of War II and Starcraft II comes out.

Originally posted by huxflux2004

Originally posted by Acromo

Diablo 3???

With 1983 graphics and game mechanics (2D scrolling maps).

Perhaps ... it IS true that all game designers and programmers left WOW in 2006 ....

 

 

 

 

The people that created Condor Studios, which was later bought out and renamed Blizzard North, resigned somewhere around 2003 and created Flagship studios. These are the guys that made Diablo.  A big chunk of the team that worked on WoW left as well, going to NCSoft and the Guild Wars project. Blizzard does not have any of the talents that made the company what it is today, and since they have not released anything without those key people, I am really qurious to see what their next game will be. They are currently an over-hyped company, hanging from WoW's success. A game that was made by people that are not there any more. I expect a major decomposition of Blizzards image after they release their next title.

 

Yeah, you must be right because Flagship Studios has done so well.  I mean they just released the wildly popular Hellgate: London proving that all the brains of Blizzard North went to Flagship.  And the same goes for NCSoft which has produced hit after hit MMO that has completely dwarfed anything Blizzard has done since they left.....um......well.........nevermind.