All Posts by Kcissem

Originally posted by Liago

Originally posted by Kcissem

 

Originally posted by Liago

Originally posted by WakingPulse

Originally posted by Katashi-kun

 

 

 

Still don't get the point!  You don't charge ppl to test a game thats absurd, unless ur game sucks and your running out of money and need more!  Oh wait yeah Vanguard did that too...."We're out of money lets release early and cash in on the 220,000 purchases and then fix the game with that money and screw over our customers!"

You do realize fileplanet is the one charging people, not eidos/funcom?

And they are only charging new members existing members pay nothing. Its a service fee not a beta fee.

 

that statement is false, existing members are still paying for the monthly subscription cost to fileplanet, new members are just paying for the same thing.

No that would make the statement true. My point being it isn't a "OMGZ new fee for AoC beta" Existing members have paid for Fileplanet and pay nothing extra at this point new members are paying for the services that fileplanet provides.

the point is everyone will still be paying the same thing whether existing or not.

unless you are a free member of fileplanet but the same still is true they would have to subscribe to access the premium service.

Originally posted by Katashi-kun

 

Originally posted by WakingPulse

Originally posted by Katashi-kun

 

Still don't get the point!  You don't charge ppl to test a game thats absurd, unless ur game sucks and your running out of money and need more!  Oh wait yeah Vanguard did that too...."We're out of money lets release early and cash in on the 220,000 purchases and then fix the game with that money and screw over our customers!"

You do realize fileplanet is the one charging people, not eidos/funcom?

 

...and you really think Funcom is not getting any of that money!  Funcom chose Fileplanet, they could have used many other sites that are free with just as good DL speeds!

 

...and to someone above that said something about cashing into all the other stuff Fileplanet offers.......hrm about 98% of everything on that site I can get elsewhere on free sites that don't charge me for the DL speeds!  Onoes I have to wait a few hrs longer if the speed isn't as fast.....kill me!

no they are not getting the money, you paying for fileplanets subcription for their service that all premium members pay

Originally posted by Liago

Originally posted by WakingPulse

Originally posted by Katashi-kun

 

Still don't get the point!  You don't charge ppl to test a game thats absurd, unless ur game sucks and your running out of money and need more!  Oh wait yeah Vanguard did that too...."We're out of money lets release early and cash in on the 220,000 purchases and then fix the game with that money and screw over our customers!"

You do realize fileplanet is the one charging people, not eidos/funcom?

And they are only charging new members existing members pay nothing. Its a service fee not a beta fee.

that statement is false, existing members are still paying for the monthly subscription cost to fileplanet, new members are just paying for the same thing.

Originally posted by Katashi-kun

 

Originally posted by Mitnal

 

Originally posted by Katashi-kun

 

Originally posted by Mitnal

 

If you are too broke to pay $2.99 for a beta, then find a job.

 

Thats the problem...nobody should have to pay jack to test a game!  There are tons of other sites you can use that don't require a paid sub to access High Speed DLs.  Heck even 'surprise' 'surprise' Fileplanet can use the non-sub DLs which is still pretty damn fast!

 

get a job, easy as that. thats pocket change unless ur like 13 years old, even then you shouldnt be playing this game.

 

 

if you are an adult and you cant handle that then you have other issues than this game

 

Still don't get the point!  You don't charge ppl to test a game thats absurd, unless ur game sucks and your running out of money and need more!  Oh wait yeah Vanguard did that too...."We're out of money lets release early and cash in on the 220,000 purchases and then fix the game with that money and screw over our customers!"

when are you going to understand, that you are not paying funcom anything?  Funcom will not see a dime of that money.  You are paying fileplanet for the service of downloading the client, you are not paying to play but paying for the bandwidth cost for the download.  F

Originally posted by Katashi-kun

 

Originally posted by Mitnal

 

If you are too broke to pay $2.99 for a beta, then find a job.

 

Thats the problem...nobody should have to pay jack to test a game!  There are tons of other sites you can use that don't require a paid sub to access High Speed DLs.  Heck even 'surprise' 'surprise' Fileplanet can use the non-sub DLs which is still pretty damn fast!

 

you are not paying to test the game, you are paying to download the client from fileplanet, funcom has nothinig to do with that.

Originally posted by Shannia

 

Originally posted by AlienShirt

 

Originally posted by Shannia

one of the worst launches ever

 

 

I take it you never experienced the joy and rapture of Funcom's launch of Anarchy Online when it went live?

 

Missed that one, I'm afraid.  Was way too busy with fantasy back in the day to worry about Sci-Fi.

But to the other guy who asked me what I'm talking about with regards to Gamespot.  You have people on multiple forums including the official AoC forums asking where to download from because the gamespot download doesn't work.  Funcom had to set up a torrent for them.  You'd think Gamespot would make a big notice for the beta key winners saying, "We screwed up, you need to down load from xxxxxxx"  But no, they have the link buried on their forums IF you can find it.

 

the question is how is gamespots issue a funcom issue? if funcom put up a torrent they are trying to correct whatever issues gamespot is having by providing another way to get the beta, what did you want funcom todo  not put a torrent up?

Originally posted by ABRaquel

If I'm not mistaken, didn't Turbine with Lord of the Rings Online capped everyone at 15 during Open Beta?

yes if i remember correctly it was 15, and forums had these same arguements too.  always the same before releases no matter what happens

Originally posted by tgftfjhgfuf

Originally posted by darwa

I think I missed the punchline.......

don't you think it is funny that the game is <1 month away from release and the only thing you can talk about is 48 hours in controlled environment?

This NDA lift is just a teaser to what the PVP system may or may not have to offer. Most poeple in this pvp weekend will be entirely new to AOC which will be just getting a teaser of the pvp part of the game, nothing else,  and the reason the NDA will still be in effect for the general and technical beta stages is that they are testing a entirely different build on another server which that build is entirely different to what is being tested internally. 

forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php

Originally posted by Psiho246

Originally posted by Kcissem

Originally posted by darwa

I think I missed the punchline.......

i was thinking the same thing

Me 3.

I think the joke is his username

Originally posted by darwa

I think I missed the punchline.......

i was thinking the same thing

Originally posted by Alan0n

Open beta for 13 lvls....  What is the purpose of this beta ?  

I played WoW up to lvl 50 in open beta.  I bought the game right away cause I couldn't wait to make my charcter and go through it again. 

So AOC with 80 lvls doesn't yet have content to allow open beta testers to play up to more than lvl 13 ?  Does the game even have player made cities yet ?  Or siege warfare?  Or even working mounts ?  

Seriously - first lift of NDA and ppl can play 13 lvls... 

One word of advise.  Stay away.  Stay far away until we actually get any real reporst on whats going on.  It can't be good if devs consider open beta to be 13 lvls of gameplay.

purpose is they want to stress test the servers where most of the stress will be on release day, and that will be the very early levels, see link for answer

forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php

Originally posted by Jadar

 

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Originally posted by Orphes

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Originally posted by Lobotomist

 

I am not going to buy the game if I am not given the free trial.

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I think even Funcom said clearly that open beta is not to be considered a trial of the game.
Look for a buddy key, that would be the "correct" way to trial a game. And leave the beta for people that are interested in doing what they are asked for, and by so actually helping the rest of the followers of AoC getting a better game.

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"doing what they are asked for?", what they are asked for is cash to get into beta. As paying customers, they aren't obligated to do jack shit. I'll say it again for the slow and feeble minded - Open Beta is Marketing.

you will not be a paying customer as far as funcom is concerned, you are paying fileplanet for the bandwidth cost iff accepted.   YOU WILL NOT be a paying customer to funcom till early access if you preordered or until the game is offically released and you buy the game off the shelf

Originally posted by Wharg0ul

 

Originally posted by DAS1337

Uhm, you guys are aware that you can sign up for the open beta without subscribing to fileplanet right?  Why would you pay money now and then if you don't get picked, you just wasted whatever you spent on a sub.  Wait to see if you get selected, if you do, then get a sub and register.

It doesn't work that way. They notify subs and members when the event begins, and subscribers can then click a link to enter the list. The first 50k get a key, the rest get "thanks for your money, now go home".

 

If you wait until the event begins to sub, while you are paying your 7.90 / 15.00, the rest are already entering the list, so you're buggering yourself.

The only way to actually have a chance is to pay up front.

Nice scam, eh?

 

The really funny thing is all the viral marketing going on over at the official AoC forums by Fileplanet.

People complain about having to pay for a chance to get in, and some FP employee will post a list of "reasons why a fileplanet subscription is worth every penny", complete with bullets, catch phrases, and links.

Pathetic.

not to protect fileplanet (I'm not a subscriber) but they do have to pay their bandwidth costs for providing the beta download, once installed the client is around 30gigs of space. 

Originally posted by youngger

we want to try before we buy

thats all

bye

There will eventually be a trial period for AOC so just wait for it, could be a month, few months or a year after release, see you then

thats all

bye :P

Originally posted by ethion

 

 

You make some very good points.  I guess the core is an assumption that poeple that break the NDA are only people that don't like the game.  My only thought is to question the validity of that statement.

At this point in time about 1 month from release one would also want to consider why the NDA exists.  At some point an NDA exists to prevent other companies, competitors from gaining early access to new idea's that they might steal.  However a month before release esp with a large beta community that doesn't really hold water anymore.  I mean how many companies would be able to do anything with 30 days to steal features from AoC and if they wanted to wouldn't it be likely they already have someone in beta....

On the other hand if the first point is true then there will be a leak of negative information and the NDA is denying positive information from good NDA followers.  If this were the case wouldn't it be in the companies best interests to remove the beta now to unshackle all the positive feedback?

Or the last theory would be that the NDA is still in place to prevent a lot of information about bugs and problems with the game which isn't finished.  So the NDA is in place to prevent all the beta testers from spewing all over the media about bugs and problems that are in the beta and keeping the lid on things with only the leaks is better cause it will be less negative and when the game is release all the current issues will be gone.

Looking at these possibilities I think your scenario doesn't really hold water....  I think the last option is the most likely one.  Which begs the question how many beta's have you been in where a magic patch comes out in the last 30 days and makes the game significantly better?  In my experience NONE, not one.  In fact I'd say in some games they actually get worse in the last 30 days as the devs start pushing things in that have been turned off in a stuggle to get all the features in even through they are untested and buggy as hell.

So not lifting the NDA is NOT a good sign and people leaking information are likely the tip of the iceburg not the evil minority....

Funcom has stated that the NDA Will be lifted well before release,

Here's the quote

Will there be an NDA?

We might keep it up a bit to let the main stresstest rush go by, but it will be lifted way before we launch. Soon everyone can talk about what they are playing instead of what they think they will be playing. We really look forward to this of course! This marks the start of a new chapter for us, and you all, we are now soon moving into live services! Soon everyone

here's the link to the whole thing

forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php

Originally posted by nuififun

Does anyone know or have experience with File Planet and these Betas?

Whats the chance of these 50k keys being taken in the first few hours or do you think it will take longer?

I played AC2 in the same way and that one didnt seem to get 'full'

more than likely with the amount of hype for AOC all those keys will be gone in a short amount of time especially considering that there are over 500k worth of technical/general beta applicants that are still waiting to get in, i'd bet atleast 50k of those will subscribe to fileplanet if not already to just get another chance to get in.

I signed up for notification myself but i still am undecided if i'm going to subscribe for a month to try to get in.  Only reason i'd want in is to get a feel for the classes and maybe make a decision on my main but other than that i'm fine with waiting for the head start period.

Originally posted by 3on1

i bet theres even more bitching on this game when funcom decides to move the release back again

fact is even tho the game will not be the amazing mmo everyone wants.. it doesnt have direct competition till WAR comes out, cause everyone is either playing WoW or playing nothing :P

The game will not be pushed back, it already went gold a week or so back.

The rest of your statement deserves no response.

Originally posted by ProfRed

 

Originally posted by page

Kcissem, why are you protecting Funcom with your NDA stuff , whats in it for you ?   Please don't say ethics because you can't return games. Funcom is beginning to look  shady, at least to me anyway.

 

Well the loudest people are always the people that spew negativity.  While the NDA is in effect the people that are enjoying themselves and don't want to lose their account don't breach the NDA, but the people who never had an account in the first place, or the people that judged the game in a state way before launch, or the people that were in technical beta and barely got to see the game at all but judged it anyway are the people who are going around slamming on the game.  Half the stuff that they complain about is stuff that has been fixed, or are complaints from an early closed beta period. 

So why should the masses be persuaded by these people?  Why would any intelligent person not wait for the NDA to be lifted and get feedback from the honest players who may or may not like the game.  The ones who honor the NDA even if they aren't happy with the product.  Once it's lifted they will voice their opinion at the same time that people who enjoyed the beta voice theirs.

One of the biggest guilds that openly breaches the NDA did the same thing for Vanguard.  They all slammed it as many people did but now.. they are all playing it happily while half of them slam AoC in the same way and most of them aren't even in the beta they are just going off of what others have said.  I know of one guy that got banned for breaching the NDA and him and all of his friends continue to spew out lies and crap because he wants the game to fail.  I just refuse to give any credibility or take anything these type of people say with a grain of salt especially when you mix in all the die hard WoW fans that bash new games just for the hell of it. 

The game is going to do what it does with or without people like this slamming on it.  That is why 99% of the time their opinions should be flat out ignored.  The honest people on both sides of the fence will reveal their thoughts when the NDA is lifted, and after a month of the game being out everyone will know the state of the game. 

I couldn't put it any better, my thoughts exactly.

Originally posted by page

Kcissem, why are you protecting Funcom with your NDA stuff , whats in it for you ?   Please don't say ethics because you can't return games. Funcom is beginning to look  shady, at least to me anyway.

not really protecting funcom even though it may seem like it, but this always happens for every mmo, there are always negative comments before release based on beta leaks, sometimes they are founded and sometimes they are not. it's a 50/50 shot either way you look at it whether you believe the leaks or not or you find out yourself by taking the chance and preording.  The best advice to the ones that can't afford to waste money is to wait till the game is released and a trial periods opens up which will happen most of the time after a month or two of release.

I just think its a little redicolous that forums are filled with uninformed people whining about something they have no clue about yet.  Leaks are useless.  As i said in the previous post you can't trust the haters or the fanboys, trust yourself and your own opinions by either testing it, buying it, or waiting for a trial period.

Originally posted by Grunties

 

Originally posted by Kcissem

 

Originally posted by Sam123jo0123

Theres been lots of reports that game is extremely buggy, therefore i am not preordering either.

 

 

What reports? you need to back up your statement with a valid resource.  Just FYI valid resources is not the reports that break the NDA,  The ones who signed a non disclosure agreement and then go ahead and disclose information are not trustworthy whether they are telling the truth or not.  They may tell the truth but again they have no valid resources for proof other than their personal opinion.  One mans trash is anothers gold in that respect.

What reports would be valid to you? If they came from funcom? Yeah, funcom is going to tell their customers that their game is extremely buggy (if it really is).

 

On thread topic, I was going to use the open beta to determine the state of the game and make my decision to purchase based on that, but I've slowly realized that the open beta will be far too constrained to actually see the state of the game. Most of the game will still be hidden from view, and all the things I wanted to try will not be available to experience. Not to mention it will cost money. So it will be pretty useless in that regard, and probably a complete waste of time for me to download. I'll see how the pvp event goes, but obviously thats even more limited so I'm not holding my breath. I don't predict anything but holding out for release reviews at this point.

while the NDA is in Effect the only valid resource is yes Funcom/eidos IMO.  Once the NDA is lifted then opinions are more valid as long as they are backed up by proof such as videos/screenshots, bug reports etc etc.  Once released Proffesional reviews could be considered valid resources, while reviews are in essence just an opinion the majority of reviews by proffesionals are unbiased. 

You can't trust the haters opinion just like you can't trust the fanboy's opinion of a game, usually the ones who can put aside the hate or love and go down the middle road and point out the good and the bad are the ones to trust.