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Originally posted by elvenangel

Wow you work with a company associated with a software company?! Gasp! I'll do you one better I work for an actual company that makes engines & software and we listen damn closely to our customers otherwise we'd be the hell out of a job.  

Any and every company want to make money but they certaintly aren't going to make money listening to a hardcore minority of WHINERS.  Thats right Whiners.  If you agree with the OP in all senses of reality your a whiner.  There's no lack of games out there for you to enjoy just because there are more of a game type out there that you hate doesn't mean they're shit games.  Someone obviously likes them or companies wouldn't make them.   .   

Making any and every game is a risk no matter how popular the genre is.  The idea that game companies don't pay attention to their market is utterly ridiculous (its just unfortante there are Dev's who have their heads up their buttocks but then this happens in every field of life).    If all games suddenly became the same and catered to just one group of players then it'd be the end of games.   If all games suddenly just appealed to all types of players then in the end games would happen due to the sheer insanity of trying to maintain a game of said size.  

There's something for everyone out there this continued OMG they're not listening to me BS is just getting old I mean come on how much harder can a person  over nothing.   You can't have it your way every single time.

Sorry, MMOs are not some grand art form, they are a way of making money. And companies go with what there marketing department, as well as other departments, tell them they will make the most money.

 I am not saying that developement companies dont pay attention to customers or the market. What I am saying is that in the end, everything said and done, they do what their numbers tell them will give them the biggest return.

When a company does something that the public hates, that decision was based on what they percieve as being their best investment.

Read what I am saying, companies don't care. They decide based on what will make money and if the public agrees great if not then they made a mistake and do something else, but they dont care.

Originally posted by elvenangel

 

Originally posted by Dedthom

 

Originally posted by devacore

Originally posted by valter007

What do you guys feel about it ?

So you want them to listen to you... not the 9 mil other players.  Face the facts, your opinion is worth nothing.  On the same note, you should play shadowbane it's pretty hardcore pvp.. just give me your character's names. I'd like to greet you a few times.

This is so true. MMORPG.com represents a small but vocal section of the MMO public. Add to the official forums and the other gaming sites you still are not catching everyone who plays. Then you take all the people who have an opinion and divide them into groups by wants and you have to look at the largest group. THEN you have to talk to the marketing department who totally ignore the players opinions and decide that a MMO based on puppies is what the public really needs (j/k)

 

Really tho few games are made in a vaccum. You have the devs who answer to so many other people that what the public wants becomes a secondary concern. Companies run the numbers based on some formula and the wants of a small segment of the overall population get lost. Even if that segment posts alot.

 

This is NOT how Game Companies work...if that was true almost No game would ever get made.  Smaller companies have a harder time getting things out there because they have to do those things in order to get people to invest money, this is not the case for smaller companies that are owned by bigger ones and not the case for Large Companies at all.   The game is fully designed on paper in its most primitive form before it taken to companyh people.  They have to spin & hype the game to get approval yes but money and marketting are secondary concerns.   Player Wants and Needs come in during Beta testing (for online games).   If game companies made games this way we'd see nothing but Hello Barbie and other BS shit they know they can absolutely market it to certain types of people.   If they went off purely what players made then even smaller markets of players would be satisified.   Game Designers make games that THEY want to play, yes some have to make lots of horibble kiddy based or sports games before they get to do what they want but eventually they earn respect to pitch their own ideas.   Want your game made..catered to just you and your friends?  Start your own company.  

Hell if this was true atleast it'd get rid of those shitty ass IP Movie themed games that suck most of the time.

A dev team may come up with a game that they would want to play but the company has way more say over what goes into the game. I work for a company associated with a software company and they don't scratch their collective ass until marketing tells them to. Player wants and needs? Companies dont give to shives about player wants and needs. They call it the MMO MARKET for a reason. Money is the bottom line and don't you think that if SOE, Blizzard, NCsoft, EA/Mythic, and everyone else thought that a Barbie MMO would sell that we would be swimming in them?

Sure someone with a known name, like Richard Garriot, may come out and say "I have an idea" and then make the game they want, but even then look at TR? Do you think that TR is exactly what Richard wanted?Most devs are nameless hard working stiffs who do what they are told.

Smaller independent dev teams maybe able to take there idea and run with it, but if this was truly successful why are there not just as many small indie titles as big name flops? How many of these indie titles flashed in the pan only to fizzle out if they got off the ground in the first place.

Originally posted by devacore

Originally posted by valter007

What do you guys feel about it ?

So you want them to listen to you... not the 9 mil other players.  Face the facts, your opinion is worth nothing.  On the same note, you should play shadowbane it's pretty hardcore pvp.. just give me your character's names. I'd like to greet you a few times.

Really tho few games are made in a vaccum. You have the devs who answer to so many other people that what the public wants becomes a secondary concern. Companies run the numbers based on some formula and the wants of a small segment of the overall population get lost. Even if that segment posts alot.

Doesn't matter whether it was released in it current state or a highly polished one. The situation would be the same, people would hate it, people would love it and in the end people would play it. It wouldn't kill WoW and some would hate it because SOE was involved.

So in the end nothing would change.

WoW is an MMO for the masses. As has been stated before people who would never have played a computer game or at least not an MMO play WoW. Grannys to banking executives to house wives to hardcore gamers play WoW. When WoW came out, and this is still pretty much the case, anyone could take an off the shelf machine from Walmart and get WoW to run. Hell I played it when it first came out because the other MMOs that were scheduled needed a much heavier machine and I couldn't afford to upgrade then. WoW is an enigma, an once in a lifetime event. Thus it is a mutation and its success will probably never be repeated on this scale.

I find opening the ports in my router speeds things up alot. Check V:SoH support for the which ports should be made available.

Can anyone give me information on reactivating my station pass? I played over the summer with it but can't find a place where I can reactivate it.

Originally posted by miagisan

not really....speculation somewhat, waiting, nah...keeping myself busy in other games atm.

Bored at work? Definitely.....and shotgunjoe is a friend of mine...so i got no beef with him. But i am also not a blind fanbois (not towards shotgunjoe, just generalized OMG THIS GAME ROX THE BIG ONE!!!11), and my questions and comments are my own.

I to am "bored at work" and I find the comments of some on this board to be insightful and thought out. I suppose my point was that, for some or maybe just the "fanboys", there is more joy in the conflict on the forums then there is in the conflict in the games.

OMFG!!! Does stuff like this happen in EVE?!? The way the OP describes this situation EVE has gone from being a "game I have heard of" to one I really want to get into. The intrigue, the transporting, logistics, is what is being described a single incident or is this a major part of the game? I don't really like PVP but having fleet battles sounds awsome. Sorry I dont mean to hijack your thread but to me this sheds a whole new light on EVE.

Originally posted by ShotgunJoe

 

Originally posted by miagisan

point to one post i made which i said it was going to fail. i Haven't. And maybe not all of it is second and third hand....could be fourth, could be first :P

But will this game fail? nope. MOST likely not, in fact i hope it does well, but i am still shoppingaround for my ideal mmo since i left swg, and am very curious about AoC.....but there are things that i do dislike, and just like people who love it, i can say my opinion as well

 I will say it again since you missed it the first time I typed it. I am NOT picking on you. I am merely communicating to you since we have history.

 

What I am referring too is the people that keep posting opinions and touting them as fact. Its all speculation and people should acknowledge them as just that. Opinions are fine, but does any really want to read 100 peoples posts stating "this game sucks" with no reasoning or logic?

Look at this very post we are in, the OP states the game is all instanced when the developers have clearly said otherwise.Once again, its doom and gloom based off of bad information and made up bullshit.

That is excactly why I said these forums are becoming a cesspool of trolling and nothing more.

This is because the there is nothing better to do. Many people apperently spend more time waiting and speculating then actually playing.

I tried DDO and it wasn't really my cup of tea. But having said that, the game is fun, entertaining and plays well. For those who play DDO, I can see why you do.

I find the chat channels to be fairly active and helpful. But yeah I dont see many people but I know their there. This fits well with my style of play tho so I enjoy the big world with few people. At least you dont have to decline 10 or 20 duel requests every time you go to town like in WoW.

Originally posted by Shoal

Does grass and other ground texture still 'grow' up through solid rock and pavement ?

Does opening a door still cause the system to halt for a short period of time?

Are certain armor pieces still not shown?

Does crossing zone (excuse me 'Chunk') boundries still lag and/or crash?

Just Wondering

Doors still lag but no where near as bad and once you click on them you can run thru them

More armor pieces are showing but not all

Yes there is still a chunk where you seem to drop a little after lagging but I didn't have any crashes

I noticed invisible hills above some rock so that you float over them.

Also, you still porpoise when you swim with your head above water.

Over all my experience coming back the last few days of my free return trial were much better then when I played before. I leveled to 10 bought a mount and actually enjoyed the game. There is a certain challenge to V:SoH and I dont mean from the lag and such. I didn't get into crafting but will if or when I reactivate my account.

Because Gamma World was my first paper and pencil RPG and since then post holocaust has been my favorite. Also, you can only play Fallout 1 and 2 so many time before you wish you had someone live to talk to.

Originally posted by markoraos

I agree with the OP wholeheartedly..

Imho MMORPGs have actually devolved since the UO times, mostly due to the majority of devs being unable to get to grips with the new genre. Those who have the power (read $$) to make AAA MMORPGs are still stuck with the old single-player paradigm - linear advancement till the end-game. In single player games this works since you can then throw the game away and buy another one. MMORPGs have a completely different "life-cycle" - here you're not buying a time-limited product, you're subscribing to a service of participating in a virtual world......

......Imo, the first AAA developer who manages to break away from the single-player "play-and-forget" philosophy and produces a true MMORPG, non-instanced, non-linear and with a theme that holds mass appeal on its own will usher the true "next-gen" age and cut the floor under all existing competition.

 

I agree with this observation. To many MMOs do not have the longevity but place players in a race to the endgame. A true MMO should be setup so that the players never feel that there is an end game, there should always be something else to do. The only way to achieve this is to some how create a world where what the players do has more of a direct effect. I know it is difficult but really games need to be more dynamic, more player run. This is difficult because of balancing the game, new players versus older players, and there is always some prick whose only joy in life is breaking the balance, looking for exploits and griefing newbies. I do not envy devs the task.

Originally posted by markoraos

 

Originally posted by alyndale Not a flame here my friend but an observation.  Why don't you research a bit.  Maybe find a screenshot of Ultima Online and a screen shot of , say AoC's graphics and you will see how far MMO's have come in 10 years!

 

 

This wins the "shallowest post of the year" award...

The gfx , UI and controls have improved, just like in all the other computer games so this is not the point at all. The point is that, unlike in most other PC game genres, the gameplay actually devolved - it got worse over time. If you're happy with looking at increasingly pretty pictures hiding an increasingly ugly truth then.. have fun, the current situation is perfect for you. I even envy you a bit, I have to admit.

This is not a flame my friend but just an observation...

Good point. Compare Wolfenstien 3D or even Qauke's gameplay to say Stalker: Shadow of Chernobyl. The graphics have come a long way but so has the story these games have to tell. Also, look at Dune RTS compared to some thing newer, I really have played many newer RTSs but even something like Starcraft. The story and number of activities has come along way. Awsome graphics are great but if you find an older MMO more captivating, more fun then newer MMOs have missed the point.

It is amazing how some harsh reality balanced by good customer service can make a game fun.

Unfortuneatly some games that may have been great games had very bad launches. Vanguard for example has some intresting game play but was very clunky, unstable from the start. The games is better now but to many people have a bad taste in their mouth so they won't go back. Companies only get one shot to launch and if you launch an unplayable game your pretty much sunk. It would seem that many companies have been in such a hurry to get the game out that they miss the basics in their attempt to make something new.

Players are more savvy and the internet has made players more informed.

This being said coming out with a game that is revoultionary is not safe. Coming out with a WoW clone is safe, at least from a marketing department stand point. What marketing departments fail to realize is that there is only one WoW and no one will recreate that kind of population.

Hopefully games like AoC have learned a lesson, better to delay  and release a stable game than to scre up the launch, but even here they have delayed twice so we shall have to see how people react when they do launch.

Thanx for the info, and Gestalt I see what you mean.

I tried the official forums and there is not much info on making the game run better, opening ports in the firewall and router. Is there any where to find this info?