Why do you have to go thru the process of setting up a portrait when you are just a bio computer in the pod? I have been looking over the EVE lore and the whole pod person versus walking around your ship with a crew (what many people have stated it is) is not jiving with the face you create in the beginning.

I know this doesn't mean jack or squat to game play but I find myself looking more at what a game is made up of and immersion, since so many have the basic game play anyway.

Originally posted by kb056

3 million created quest, seems like alot, doesnt it?

Think Sony made a mistake here. If someone knows how long it takes to "create" a quest, I think they have given us enough info to peg the number for the maximum subscriber base currently ingame.

 

If every single person playing did nothing but created quests, depending on the time needed to create a quest, you can peg the max number of possible subs.

 

They say 1 person created 6k quests? 60 minsX24 hrsX30 days=43200 mins. 43200 mins/6000quests=7.2 mins.

This equates to a maximum of 200 quests per day per person with everyone playing 24 hrs a day for a months. 3M/200=15,000 players....

 

I.m betting SWG doesnt have more than a few thousand players still playing, sad.

Kinda drunk, atm, so please recheck my math...I may be wrong but not by much.

I am unable to check your math as it made my head explode.

When you are sober please reiterate what your point is.

Originally posted by rollen01

Originally posted by Dedthom

Originally posted by TurboPene

I doubt anyone here posting that this game will die and this one also, isnt really playing any of those atm. Most of these opinions are based on "I read the forums"  and especially these forums are very reliable... :D This is a stupid thread!

For the OP why do you think AOC will die? Why would game as that good just vanish? Theres expansion coming and the game is better than ever.  My server Fury aint ghost either, today I got sick amount of players at lvl 60 doing pvp and got full group for questing in minutes...go play and see for yourself :)

I pay for and play both AOC and DDO right now as well as starting WARs free to play tier 1 trial thingy.

WAR and AOC are good to great games that. The problem arent the MMOs, its all the other things that go into the MMOs. Look at Tabula Rasa. This game had some great aspects but not enough to make NCSoft want to keep it around. The same could be said for AOC and WAR.

In the end who knows? Either game could become "Game of the Year 2010".

 

That makes no sense. You say the games suck but are great but suck because of some mysterious force that will make the companies shut them down and then you say that games are potential candidates for 2010 GotY. Tabula Rasa was bad from day 1 and the whole concept of it was just planned out wrong. Like I've mentioned already and the fact that you are playing AOC ,DDO and WAR just shows you that they are doing some thing right. They may not be the greatest games ever but they are good games and they can only get better WAR you have to admit has one of the interactive dev team with the community. Since Closed beta WAR 's devs have been taking feedback from the members to make WAR better and even though it's taking time to release these fixes it's not like we can expect these people to fix our problems with the wave of a wand. If everyone remembers how WAR was like in Closed beta you would see how the game has improved  greatly. in CB with the same computer I have no I Was never able to partake in oRvR because of the lag and now I'm able to be their every night with no lag or CTDs.

Whoa there young fella! At no point did I say any game sucks. This thread should not be about a game "sucking" it is about what the future of the industry is and which games will not survive. All MMOs are the best game in the world for someone, doesn't mean that they will be able to survive.

Never said WAR was a bad game, WAR just doesn't have what it takes to continue pulling in long term subs. Will it be able to change this? Of course it can. WAR can make itself into the game many people want to play and go on till 2012, when the world ends ;)

In the end who knows? These are scenarios based on what I see and my opinions. You want proof? Got none. You want links? Sorry. I am going on what could happen, and to my mind will if nothing changes.

Same with AoC and in the end with DDO. DDO's current success could be just a flash in the pan with servers drying up in 6 to 12 months and then Turbine writing it off to spend more time on the next LOTRO expansion.

Originally posted by TurboPene

I doubt anyone here posting that this game will die and this one also, isnt really playing any of those atm. Most of these opinions are based on "I read the forums"  and especially these forums are very reliable... :D This is a stupid thread!

For the OP why do you think AOC will die? Why would game as that good just vanish? Theres expansion coming and the game is better than ever.  My server Fury aint ghost either, today I got sick amount of players at lvl 60 doing pvp and got full group for questing in minutes...go play and see for yourself :)

I pay for and play both AOC and DDO right now as well as starting WARs free to play tier 1 trial thingy.

WAR and AOC are good to great games that. The problem arent the MMOs, its all the other things that go into the MMOs. Look at Tabula Rasa. This game had some great aspects but not enough to make NCSoft want to keep it around. The same could be said for AOC and WAR.

In the end who knows? Either game could become "Game of the Year 2010".

Originally posted by rollen01

Originally posted by Dedthom

Originally posted by rollen01
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Also who ever mentioned EA would close all of Mythics games has no idea what they are talking about.

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I stated that EA would close all of Mythic games. What makes you think they won't? Where is your proof that EA wouldn't close Mythic and drop all their MMOs if they thought it was a wise business decision?

EA sports produces one game and sells hundred of thousands of units and make a load of cash, do think they will cut out making another Madden to save money or close down the basement where they keep all the MMO devs?

Besides, why so serious? This is just an exercise, a mental game. Nothing said here is going to happen. Some company will probably develope the MSORPG (Massive Single Player Online Role Playing Game) and then WoW will have to close its servers for lack of interest.

 

 

I don't think you realize that Mythic owns UO, DAoC and the other titles but is partnered with EA on WAR >_> . I would love to see your proof of how EA would take those games which are doing well and shut them down with out Mythic saying anything about it. You can call it a "exercise" and a "mental game" all you want just because you posted something doesn't mean your immune from being called out on what you posted.

I'm really shocked that the mmorpg.com community is like this even though the editors constantly throw articles trying to stop people from thinking this way and view all the major business steps and facts about all these MMO's.

I realize many things. I express many opinions, just like everyone else on this forum.

If you feel the need to try and change the over all attitude of the forum then more power to you.

Originally posted by rollen01
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Also who ever mentioned EA would close all of Mythics games has no idea what they are talking about.

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I stated that EA would close all of Mythic games. What makes you think they won't? Where is your proof that EA wouldn't close Mythic and drop all their MMOs if they thought it was a wise business decision?

EA sports produces one game and sells hundred of thousands of units and make a load of cash, do think they will cut out making another Madden to save money or close down the basement where they keep all the MMO devs?

Besides, why so serious? This is just an exercise, a mental game. Nothing said here is going to happen. Some company will probably develope the MSORPG (Massive Single Player Online Role Playing Game) and then WoW will have to close its servers for lack of interest.

First off, I agree with the comment above about changing the name of this thread to "List the MMO you hate". The only way for this to work is to put prejudice aside.

My opinion is that AoC will be closed with in a year, this is unfortunate since it is a pretty good MMO. With the closing of AoC and the current economy Funcom may have to close there doors thus ending AO. I feel that unless the economy improves any big name high cost MMO closing could spell doom for a company.

Next is WAR. Warhammer online simple cannot stay open in its current state. Once it closes I fell EA will close Mythic along with DAoC and maybe even UO.

Various minor MMOs will probably be closing soon, Fallen earth is the first to come to mind.

Now remember this is realyy just speculation. Had this thread run 6 or more months ago I am sure DDO would have been on it.

Also any SOE game will not be closing with in the next year, SOE has a habit of keeping games around longer then it should. Look how long it took to close Matrix online. But maybe the economy will cull the herd, not just for SOE but for the market in general.

Only time will really tell.

In my opinion AoC suffers from some core problems that will always keep it from being truly successful.

The combat , while different , is not something many casual players are going to want to get into. The directional interface plus combos is going to drive many players to other more conventional MMOs. To a certain degree the combat is just a gimmick, sure it maybe "ahead of it's time" but many people who would sub won't because they don't want to fool with it. I wonder how many players have left because they couldn't be bothered to remap the keys to make combat easier to use.

Also, as stated, the game does feel like a single player game. There is no reason to group in the beginning so many would be subscribers who are group oriented will be disappointed when they have run thru the first 40 levels, which is half the way to level cap, on their own with out a need to ever get with anyone else. This issue is just made more apparent by give double XP. WTF? The problem isn't that people are getting to 80 to slowly, it's the content along the way.

I have comeback for the 14 days and I purchased a time card for a further 30 days just to make sure I give it a fair shake. I am getting into the combat more this time around but this is only because I am looking for something different then the run of the mill MMOs I have been playing. But until AoC is changed to appeal to more players, it is going to be a very lonely game.

Also, for christ sake, put in a level 20 mount once you leave Tortage. Running across the map for 20 or more minutes for some of the quests is something alot of would be subscribers are going to quit over.

I agree. There should be other ways to simulate the time and effort involved in realistic crafting.

Also, with t he low graphics you would think the game would run much faster and effecient, but the performance is terrible and the UI could be so much better.

Has this re-sparked anyone's interest in 3.x? I am a big fan of ODnD and ADnD but playing DDO has made me appreciate the elegance of the 3.x rules set. I have played DnD3.x before and I will probably get back to using 3.x if I can find a group locally.

Originally posted by Taledon

I downloaded the game three days earlier and tested it a bit. Now this patch comes on.
 

I try to play but always get an error, that I dont have installed the current version.
 

No automatic download
 

No online help
 

No manual download of the patch at the homepage, but lots of links to the release notes....
 

Useless timeconsuming "knowledge"-database
 

So I downloaded the game again, wasting 2 hours.
 

But thats only the old version. Therefore the same error.
 

Send with lots of trouble to find a possibility in all desperation a email to the technical support. There it is said, that an answer need normally 1 or 2 week.

Do I need to say more?
 

I remember that this same issue would happen on AC, patch cause game to not load. It will be fixed fairly quickly unless things have change at Turbine.

As for DDO now I would still keep trying since it is free to play so you have lost nothing but time. Of course some would say time is money but this is bullshit unless you skipped work to download the game but then you would have to be an idiot to do something like that.

I agree with the OP, with so many similar MMOs out there is little to catch the imagination.

That being said, I have been fiddling around with various free MMOs and trials for about the past 2 years, never really getting one that could keep me going. I have been on again, off again filling the space with single player games. But a friend said he was playing DDO and I should join him. Well I played DDO when the price dropped at Target to like 7 bucks a year ago and really couldn't get into the combat or questing. Now I have resubbed after a couple of weeks and can't get enough.

So, to my mind, it all boils down to where you are at in your life, what your tastes in games have become. But in my opinion the days of long term MMO commitment are over for most one time MMO fanatics. While I am enjoying DDO right now only time will tell how I feel about it in a couple of months and don't see any other MMO to take up the space.

Originally posted by Hodo

And "soon" there will be Roma Victor 2. 

 

Which will actually be the game everyone wanted 3 years ago.

And this would be a good thing.

Sequels only work if they build on what has come before and not change everything that make the original good.

This is a niche game. If you fall into this niche you will love it if you don't then you won't enjoy it. If you are a elitist or a kiddie then you will complain because it doesn't have "uber" graphics or because you can't "PWN NOOBS WITH YOUR LEET SKILLS" or some such rot.

Really the game is under hyped because the devs realize this is not for everyone. Sure they would love for millions of players to sub to FE but I am hoping FE succeeds enough for other indy companies to start  breaking the mold of over hyped supposed "WoW killers" that don't pan out, then stop appealing to there niche fan base because of the changes made to try and appeal to everyone.

And if you don't like FE, well I can see your point to a certain degree, it isn't the greatest game, but to say it "fails" or shouldn't be out there for people to play, well I just don't see how FE is hurting anything.

So to get back on track, performance issues are still hampering FPS. How about bugs, is the game mostly bug and hitch free?

As a side note, I really dont give a flying rats penis about any predictions on how long this game will last

I was wondering what improvements and fixes the devs have made since open beta. Have performance issues been resolved and bugs fixed?

I am very happy with Aion, it keeps all the attention away from the problems with FE.

I consider myself a hardcore gamer because I play alot of games but I suppose I really only think of hardcore games as being ones you have to put alot of effort into or take dedication. For example I consider EVE a hardcore MMO, as well as Civilzation or most shooters as being hardcore.

Originally posted by kilun

A single core is heavily outdated, and I can't think of an MMO released this year or last or in the future that can or even will run good.  No reason not to invest to upgrade your system, you'll need it now and later.  A dual core, memory, and mobo is less than 200bucks.  Good luck on finding a newly released mmo that runs decent on a single core.

And this is the reason that WoW will probably still continue to be very popular as well as other older games. Of course once everyone in the world that wants to play an MMO has upgraded to a Dual Core processor (or died) then we will be well into the multicore age with more then 6 or 8 cores, maybe even a brand new architecture.

So once again the edge of technology bleeds for those who can't or won't upgrade.

Sounds like Baurus93 has "set up us the bomb".