Originally posted by Clocksimus

Originally posted by Palladin

 

Tera combat locks you into place and you can't move until your combat sequence is finished. Iw ill say the combat sequences are smooth and looked pretty cool.

 

At the red point I stopped reading.  Learn what are the traits of an action game are and stop crying about a feature every action game has had even back to street figther games on the SNES.

Hmm I'm not sure how to even respond to this.   So calling Tera an "action" game is your way to deflect criticism about one of it's most annoying features?   Ah, yeah, ok.

Originally posted by BassmanJ

Originally posted by RedKatana

The game is the best game right now to me, but has a downside very low population, people are not smart enough to decide for themselves they see bad review and they don't play. The review is done by haters that like easy games like wow.

- Best graphics ever seen in a mmorpg.

-With recent update combat is the best also, trust me no press 1 press 2 press 3 press 4 and repeat here.

-Deep crafting with minigame and chance on high quality, endless recipies.

-It's the game that took a chance on creating some other then a WOW look a like game.

Enough reading go play your clones lol.

 

Bwahahahaha! Dude even squeenix hated the game, get over yourself. Its just heading into being FF11.5. Enjoy your clone indeed.

Comments like this are interesting.

Considering how the game completely crashed and died I'd think making changes more in line  with a game that people actually want to play would be desirable?  Or should SE keep the game as is so that it appeals to a very very very very small set of players or should they actually make it something that normal people want to play and maybe salvage something of their loss?

Originally posted by RedKatana

The game is the best game right now to me, but has a downside very low population, people are not smart enough to decide for themselves they see bad review and they don't play. The review is done by haters that like easy games like wow.

- Best graphics ever seen in a mmorpg.

-With recent update combat is the best also, trust me no press 1 press 2 press 3 press 4 and repeat here.

-Deep crafting with minigame and chance on high quality, endless recipies.

-It's the game that took a chance on creating some other then a WOW look a like game.

Enough reading go play your clones lol.

I think it's more accurate to say that there's a lot of folks who saw what a complete disaster the game was at launch and can't imagine how it would be possible to fix without a complete re-write.   Basically the only thing worth saving are the graphics (and even the way the worlds are built are horrible as well and repetitive texture wise).

As for the graphics being the best, well, I'm not quite sure I'd agree with that but they are certainly very good.   I think if you look at Rift you will see graphics done right.   Not as artsy as FF but certainly fantastic and with a deeper polish and engine that actually works extremely well (unlike FF).   Anyway not my intention to get into a comparison.

From what I'm hearing FF still hasn't fixed the issues keeping players away such as horrible solo play, the simply weird combat system (I just couldn't believe how it worked at launch, locking down your characters movement and such), the UI ala single bar... what gives?   On and on.

I'd be willing to take another look but I'm doubtful enough has changed for the game to be viable.   Hopefully I am wrong.

Originally posted by StormwindX

Originally posted by Zooce

Poorly written article.

A de-emphasis on crafting, lack of customizable player housing, and rich storytelling are hardly revolutionary.  Also, try proofreading your opening paragraph.

 

I've noticed that, recently, most of the articles here have been very badly written, with spelling mistakes, lack of proof-reading and even glaring internet vices ("there" instead of "their" when referring to possession, excessive use or lack of necessary apostrophes, etc). 

 

MMORPG.com really needs to up the quality of its editors. And of its writers.

 

I completely agree.   I yearn for the days of he old MMORPG where you could get good solid news on MMO games without all of the poor writing and intentionally inflammitory stories.

This story is just another example of that unfortunately.   Come on guys give us REAL information, your opinions are not desired.

Originally posted by -Zeno-

Any MMO could be considered (World of Warcraft) for this poll but its more focused on the ones with big "new to endgame" gaps. 

Lets say you played a game that had veteran players own your face or said game made you fell like you could not compete unless you had played it years.  Lets say you liked the idea of said game but that veteren curve and possibly learning curve was harsh.

Would you return to said game if the developers did the below:

Have worked over the past year to made a "2.0" of the game.  They call it a "new game" as they wanted to build something better.  They say they have learned from their past mistakes and said people who have bought the game do not have to buy it again for this "re-boot".

Two current game examples I can think of is EVE Online and Darkfall Online.  I am sure there are many other games that are like this (Aion?).

Keep in mind that a wipe would enrage the current players who spent multiple years maxing out their current characters.  Not only that any sane developer would be making it easier for new players to "catch up" which would have already enraged them.  As the saying goes the people with the loudest voice are the pissed off minority.  We trust developers of these persistant worlds wont lose our charactors, so wiping could be a trust issue.  What do you think?

Edit: above circumstances

Seriously?   I mean you could do a better job coming up with something completely unrealistic in order to get thread activity.  How about:

"Would you come back to an MMO that required that you cut off both of your legs after having a subscription payment bounce?"

The answer to your unrealistic hypothetical (which I only came here in the first place thinking it was actually true) is obvious.

Originally posted by xpowderx

I see the MASS EXODUS is continuing. Many are leaving for that uhh. other game!

Tsk, tsk.. Monocles anyone?

I erased EVE from my hard Drive today. It wont be coming back.

CCP no longer cares about its player base,its true! Especially after the comments CCP made.

 

When you have a game that ignores its player base all for the $$$$. Its time to move on.. As such I did. Along with some friends.. Goon,BCINC, RF, .. yup.. we are all leaving.

 

Thanks CCP!

You have friends?

IBL

Originally posted by labryinth

Ok so this is a question to everyone who started with the now 'oldschool' MMORPGs like EQ and Ultima etc.etc, not WoW or Guild Wars, but just 1990-2003.

 

A lot of people really hate what the MMO market is now, but I was wondering if everyone who played the older MMOs actually felt exactly the same way when WoW and GW and all those types of games came out?

 

Did you all think 'WoW is way too casual, same with GW and EQ2' compared to EQ1 etc in 2004 and whenever GW came out?

 

Or do the oldschool and vanilla WoW, GW etc. players all agree that back in 2004 and downwards was collectively when MMOs were the best? Or do you think only EQ and Ultima Online were the best MMOs?

 

It's hard to explain but basically: was Everquest, DAoC and Ultima Online better than World of Warcraft (Vanilla) and Guild Wars (Vanilla) in your opinion, or do you think WoW and GW were the same games but just improved? Or did you think WoW and GW were in fact better than Everquest and Ultima even though you started with Eq and Ultima?

 

Hopefully you understand what I'm trying to ask.

Hmm, so you first ask a negative about wow and eq2 followed by a postive about eq1, which would be implied by the first question.   I'll tell you what I hate about these posts, is the OP 's can't seem to give their own opinion, it's more about inciting the audience.   I see enough of that shit on political tv shows.

EQ wasn't better.  It was harder.  It was older.  It had less thought applied to it's design.   It was also a lot of fun and a lot of pain.

People also left in DROVES for WoW and EQ2 alike.   That included the hard core raiders and the top guilds.   Read into that what you will.

12 million subs compared to a couple hundred thousand.  You do the math.

Originally posted by mmogawd

Considering the fact that you've somehow managed to convince yourself that a) wow raiding take skill and b) pvp is not gear dependendent, I can only conclude that you are  completely dilusional.

Given this, might I suggest Hello Kitty online?

Stop compensating.  You're embarassing yourself.

Oh, and take some english classes.

Originally posted by Silacoid

Why do people insist that MMOs have to have endless amounts of quests to force players to kill xyz mob.  FF takes a different path.  The quests don't offer an xp reward in this game, so the complaint that there aren't enough of them is bogus.  You can invoke your guardian, but that is SE's version of rested xp and you can use all of it up with the current system.

 

My question is why can't people be happy killing stuff without quests?  You'll find in FFXIV that you level quite quick if you just kill things.

 

Is the reliance on quests a result of WoW?  Keep in mind Everquest, one of the most successful MMOs of all time had a quest system that was terrible, yet people still managed to kill things and have fun.

Because killing warf rats and mushrooms and toads is sooooooo fun.   Hmm, did I just sum up 50% of the creatures in FFXIV?

Originally posted by geldonyetich

I'm noticing something really funny when I look over at the Metacritic rating right now:

User Reviews: 30 positive, 64 negative, only 2 mixed.

Critic Reviews: 2 positive, 2 negative, zero mixed.

I can mirror this over on American Amazon: 29 reviews at 4 stars or greater.  53 reviews at 2 stars or less.  Only 6 reviews in the middle.   (This is mirrored somewhat in Europe amazon, but Japanese Amazon is far more negative.)

So this is turning out really interesting: It seems that, for most people, they'll either really like this game or they'll really hate this game.  This extends even to the professional reviewers.

• Though all agree that the game is in need of improvement, some have a perspective of looking forward and seeing that improvement is inevitable while others have the perspective of looking at the present and judging the game on its current faults.
• Though all agree that the interface is generally ponderous, some have the perspective that you can work through this ponderousness and still enjoy the game, while others feel that the GUI is completely unacceptable.
• Though all agree that the game does not make a lot of information/direction readily available to the player compared to most MMORPGs, some have the perspective that this makes the game a lot more interesting than ones that simply give you everything while others have the perspective that making the players work to get information/direction is generally unacceptable.

So, in the end, I think the conclusion is clear: Final Fantasy XIV is a game you either get or you don't.  Though I've often called the game "old school," perhaps I was mistaken.  It's really bearing more of the earmarks of something that may be ahead of its time.

This would make sense except for two things.  First, the positive critics reviews are from no-name worthless sites who I would bet are hoping for ad revenue.    Secondly the positive reviews on Amazon are few and far between, in spite of your numbers, and are SOOO positive that they are obviously from those with no other agenda than to counter the negatives.  What's funny is that they talk more about the problems and then try to act like those don't count at all in the reviews... than about the game itself.

It's not about getting it or not, the problem is there's nothing TO get.  The game is broken, plain and simple.  Everyone gets it!   Everyone!   That's the problem.  It's so horribly implemented that you either have to be so biased towards SE/FF that you love it in spite of how bad i tis or you are simply looking for a new game and review based on it's current state, which is abysmal, at least in my opinion (and pretty much eveyrone else).

Time WILL tell.   This game is going to be essentially gone in 3 months, 6 months tops, unless major changes happen.

Originally posted by geldonyetich

#122 out of #618 and 6.93/10 aien't bad. 

Maybe you guys should go rate it lower some more so you can really sock it to anybody who likes this game.  Then, finally, vindication!

Why do all the fanbois think that being critical of the game and SE has ANYTHING to do with the games players?   Stop thinking the world revolves around you.

It's about sending a message to SE to FIX the game and start listening to it's customers.   Yes, customers.  Those of us who bought the game only to end up trying to find even 1 dollar of value (well I guess it works as a graphics demo) want SE to make amends.... either by refund or by making the game enjoyable.   Chances of that happening are slim and none unless they fire 95% of their executive staff.

I don't think there's any doubt that FFXIV is going to go down in history as one of the biggest MMO dissapointments/flops ever.

You have to set things in perspectives.  This isn't a mom and pop shop MMO, this is from Square and it's Final Fantasy.   It was hyped to no end and expectations were huge.  That just serves to make the dissapointment so much greater.   They didn't just not hit the mark, they missed the mark as if they were shooting in the other direction.

FFXIV RIP.  Watch for it to take first place though in all of the various "greatest letdowns of the year" surveys.

Originally posted by MisterSr

Originally posted by colddog04

I just.... I can't believe that someone thinks that it's ok to release a bad product and that reviewers should hold off until they fix it.

 

I'm just... facepalming over and over and over again.

I don't think the product is bad though. I just think it is lacking some basic features, but it does make up for the lack of these features by implementing new ones. I think this game is in a better state than a majority of games at release, including WoW (WoW was terrible at release, I played beta and release, and it was stacked full with a plethora of bugs and had a severe lack of content). Most MMOs, actually ALL MMOs at release are just abysmal in my opinion, at least FFXIV isn't abysmal and enjoyable. The only game I think I enjoyed at release this release is GW to be honest, which is why I am looking forward to GW2. Nonetheless, the missing features are standard nowadays, and breaking away from from expected standards is just dumb. Although I am having fun at the moment, I hardly use the market wards due to the complete pain they are, and the lack of a mail system, well that HAS to be the most backwards thing ever done in an MMO. Although I am sufficing without these and finding the gameplay extremely fun, I can guarantee that these small problems will slowly mount to very large problems. So my current stand on the game, if it wasn't clear, is that is GOOD and almost where it needs to be (closer than any other MMO at release), but it's lack of an AH and Mailbox is verging on retarded, and if they don't fix it, I can't guarantee I will be playing for more than a few months. If they do add at least a mailbox my opinion may change, at least they fixed the SP problems so leveling is not a problem now... 

And another mind boggling post.   WoW had a severe lack of content at release?  Huh?  You've got to be kidding, right?  WoW had 20x (and that's probably an understatement) the amount of content that FFXIX had at release.  It had something like 1500 quests, a HUGE amnount of creatures/NPCs/zone content/dungeons/encounters/raids/easter eggs/loot/etc/etc/etc.   Seriously how can you come here and make such blantatly ignorant statements.

What I can't understand is why ANYONE would defend this game.   Don't you want "your pet game" to be fixed and improved?   I just can't believe you can be happy with the mess the game is without really really working hard at convincing yourself it's actually ok.

Originally posted by MisterSr

I've been wondering this and they must because they've addressed a majority of the issues that have been complained about by players. And it's not like they are planning to drag out the process of adding updates because a content update patch is coming next week, I think the reviews by these "major" websites need to hold off till after the first few months. It's unjust to review ANY game at launch, in my opinion. Now if the game is still dealing with the same issues 2-3 months later, then yeah, that's their problem, not the reviewers. But yeah, I think this next week will be positive and show that SE is responding to player feedback, they did say their goal was the listen to the players this go around, we can only hope and see. 

Lol.  Yo'u've got to be kidding right?   Seriously, they've addressed nothing of the concerns raised by players.

How can anyone defend this game or it's development management?   If anything SE has made it clear that the players opinions mean nothing and all they do, when they even do that, is play lip service to things not even relevant to the major failings.

And as for it being unfair to review at launch, wth are you talking about?   You review products that are offered for sale... that customers have to fugging pay for.   Why would you allow a complete pos product like this to sit in the market without reviews suckering in unsuspecting buyers?   It's the most rediculous thing I've heard of in quite some time.

All I can say is THANK GOD SE was dumb enough to have an open beta because at least some of us were able to cancel before the game shipped.  Thank god.

Originally posted by leojreimroc

While all the commotion concerning FFXIV has kept me entertained for these past few weeks, I have to ask myself....why all the hate?

This game seems to be polarizing everybody, more so that most other games.  People come on here to venomously attack or trying to defend this game, and I ask myself why?  This game is certainly not for everyone (obviously), but there's a decent amount of people who are enjoying it.  Why not stop there?  Is it just trolling?  The whole thing confuses me.

For about the first time in MMO history the trolls are the ones saying positive things about a game.

FFXIV has no redeeming qualities other than it's shiny rapper.  It's the worst failure of a hyped game in the history of MMOs.  About the only one that comes close to this level of failure of VGSOH.

Originally posted by Yunbei

Ok, I have no doubts SWTOR will sell many boxes. (See the thread of the other guy for that.^^) And also I expect to have a blast in the game. My only serious doubt atm is, I wonder if players will not just play one or two stories of some classes and then move on, after, say 2 or 3 months? I mean, ok there is more than just story, but of the detail and depth of the parts not your personal story we know little. So what do you expect? Will players only stay a short time and SWTOR will be a straw fire, quick come quick go and move to the next MMO? Or will it be a MMO which people play for many years to come?

Let's hear it. :)

How can people ask such rediculous questions.   There's virtually no information about actual gameplay, quests, raiding, anything, yet you are asking people to predict whether it has long term playability?  

Boggle.

I'd really really really suggest waiting at least a month before deciding to purchase, or not.     In other words, don't waste your money.  In a month from now all the reviews will be out and SE won't have fixed/redesigned anything and you'll be happy you did not purchase.

Originally posted by teldath

 

to me it seems like 1/2 of the complaints people have been spewing about this game seem to be nitpicky complains that will be changed in less than a week.

people seem to forget that Square has never made a numbered Final Fantasy game that was not premium QUALITY. Square makes odd design choices and people often disagree with their "Now for something completely different" approach to game design but they always have functional games that work the way they are intended to work. Square has one of the best art teams in the industry, the quality of animation and texturing in this game is impressive and it would be silly to think SE isn’t putting the same effort into the coding.

the technical problems currently facing the game are average for a a recently released MMO and will probably be fixed within a few weeks.

if your going to complain about the game, complain about DESIGN issues you dislike, not technical issues that will be fixed (this is how most MMOs should be judged at release, when is the last MMO that had no issues at release)

FFXIV is defiantly a Niche game, its not for everyone, its for people who enjoying spending their time inside a living-breathing world, not for people who want to play competitively. However, that does not make it a “BAD” game. It just makes it not for you.

I myself find the game to be pretty enjoyable despite the tech issues. The market system defiantly needs fixing, but I support their choice not to have an AH. (AH systems normally reduce entire cities to hundreds of people sitting around a window, the bazaar system can also lead to cool moments of finding “deals” that just don’t exist in the AH system, it does take a little longer to find things your looking for, but who said that shopping cant be part of the MMO experience?)

The combat is slow and relatively boring in the beginning, but around Rank 15 I had enough buttons to push that I have been entertained every battle. It is not FAST, but do we really identify combat in MMOs as faster=better? If so, we would all be playing Lineage 2, and nobody would be playing EvE.

And with regards to guildleves, once you start to party up with other people from your linkshell/guild doing a full set of Guildleves can take 5-6 hours+an hour for crafting, that gives you up too 7 hours of leves. Every 36 hours, then factor in sleep; that gives you more than enough content every 36 hours.

FFXI was a quality MMO, you may not have agreed with its design, but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t quality.

FFXIV will be a quality MMO, it just may not be your thing.

Man, you are clueless I'm afraid.  In order to fix this game SE will have to first lose it's arrogance, and that ain't going to happen.  No, this game will go the way of other failed MMOs first and then IF they make the sweeping changes necessary it will be too late and we'll have rich deep games like Rift and SWTOR to play.

Those of us that posted after Open beta tried to warn folks ;)   This game is, or should, go down with the other great MMO dissapointments like Vanguard SOH.

FFXIV took all that was bad about "challenging" MMOs (grind, worthless UI, obscure functions, unlabeled NPCs) and married all that crap to it's only redeeming quality, it's graphics look (and even that wears quickly).

As for "challenge" they failed completely.   Anyone who thinks that simply making mobs hit hard or have lots of HPs is good game mechanics should remind themselves of how fast EQ lost subscribers to WoW, including ALL the hardcore raiding guilds.    Good combat encounters require more than that.   Square Enix, for tips on how to build good encounters see WoW raid events.