Fallout 3 and Left 4 Dead

Man im sick and tired of d20 system. There are so much better systems out there.

120 from serbia... not bad i guess

I agrre with the poster above, but if i had to pick one it would be pq's for sure.

I play it every day for a long periods of time . Steam nick: Kushaja

Meh, 40 minutes of talking and 5 screenshots. I was hoping for some gameplay, but some other time.

Mining Barge V - 50 days

I'll wait....

Any Eu clans i can join so i could test?

If the game is anything like Fallout 3... im in!

Now, dont take this sentence the wrong way, i know all there is about FE, im just saying, if it has the FEEL of the wasteland like FO3... im in

Hold on, there are no levels in FE, just many skills. it could be that skills are capped at 150, but im not sure about that.

Originally posted by EvilGargamel

Darkfall at this pount IS a total failure. This is not an opinion -- it's a FACT.

Until it launches commercially and makes back every penny that was invested into it, it will always be a failure.

No.. it will never have 250k subs. EVER.

It will be VERY lucky to have even 30k subs and be able to keep them PAYING for 1 full year.

The game is obscure and unknown. It's not marketed or promoted outside of GREECE. Go take a look at what the general gaming public thinks of it's last video over at gametrailers.com. They all laughed their asses off because it was so amateurish looking.

It has a miserable amount of people following it for a MMORPG that has been around for the last 7 YEARS.  Even Dark and Light had triple the amount.

Lich King has lots of PvP in it. It's a game focused on PvP.  Who the hell is going to be left playing Darkfall after Lich King is out?

And no -- Full Loot on death is NOT going to make people want to play Darkfall. If anything, it will make even more people run away from it.  Also -- skill based is nice yes.. but it isn't anything so new and great that it will attract or pull tons of people away from other games.

Darkfall is nothing special. It's an older looking PvP sandbox game. I can go play an older looking PvP sandbox style game right now called Asheron's Call on Darktide.

Dude seriously, chill. We havent even played the game yet, its not even out. Lets just keep our expectations to ourselves till the game's out. Oh and btw, comparing the POSSIBLY fantastic pvp in Darkfall to laughing-my-ass off ridiculous pvp in Lichking ...is dumb. Another thing, why do subscriber numbers matter if the game is great? The game has a great following here on mmorpg.com and over at forumfall... If its good the people will play, if its bad they wont. Case closed.

I havent read the whole thread but i have to say this... FALLOUT 3! Fantastic rpg! I had my doubts before it went live, but now i have none. Its the game of the year mos def.

Originally posted by Distiler

Your target audience is not the whole world. Your target audience is mainly Star Wars fans. That is my obvious observation ^^

Well no. They just need to make a game that has Star Wars spirit in it. 

It sparks interest for the old swg... Not for this new crap. I'll always be interested in swg pre-cu

Do not make it gear based!!!!! Im not saying level based but GEAR BASED!!! Great difference!

I dont want to see flashy and shiny gear all over the place whenever i get a new level, the same things is with swords and rifles!

Did you see Conan changing his sword whenever he got a level, ahem i mean grew older... NO! His sword cut through hundreds of opponents, yes his only sword and i want that, to say "hey i have this rifle this whole time and i never want to change it", the same is with gear... its not hat hard to do... just dont put "magical" gear in SW game!!

Originally posted by miscbattles

 they just parade their product around obscure gaming conventions in Greece somewhere, where they can easily impress a country that is totally ignorant about video games.

 Darkfall -- blowing smoke up asses since 2001

What the f....Greece is Ignorant about video games? You just pulled that from your arse didnt you? Do you even know where Greece is?

(im not greek im just pissed)

On topic- I think they'll actually release the game at the end of the year... dont ask me why i just feel it... I mean, they did have this big presentation and what not... i think they want people to know about their game now more than before.

1. Since its class-based, i want it to be good, ala Mass Effect, KOTOR, DnD etc..

2. Open-seemless world for us to explore and adventure together

3. No hero mobs or content thats locked for chars cuz they are low level

4. That levels dont give you that much power over other chars

5. A lot of things in space

Originally posted by Terranah

Originally posted by Lobotomist

The age and hope for virtual sandbox emulated massive enviroment is dead now. At least it is clear that no "big" company will not touch it.

Bioware is now commited to SINGLEPLAYER game , that is played online and requires monthly subscription.

(Some cooperative elements included TM.)

 

Will it be good game? Probably, but basically it will be KOTOR3 with online element. Might just aswell be KOTOR3 singleplayer minus online subscription.

 

I guess the deconstruction of Massively multiplayer virtual world hope continues towards "story driven" (read singleplayer like) cooperative gaming

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is exactly what is happening.  What is confusing to me is how many people not only accept this fact but embrace it.  You can LIVE in a virtual world....it is the pinnacle of escapism.  It is immersive and has depth that holds your interest for a long time.

 

But what Bioware is creating, you are just a visitor being chaperoned through the content by the developers.  And hey look....you don't even need other players for most of it because they are giving us AI henchmen. 

 

And we can't have other people interfering with your single player  story can we, so we better make the game highly instanced too while we are at it.. 

 

Wake up people.  I understand the honeymoon phase but come on.  It's like people are in a coma and they don't see what Bioware are most likely giving us:  a highly polished, stylized, story driven, highly instanced, single player game with occasional cooperative play.  This is the most likely assumption, based on what we know at this point.

 

Terranah i love you. I just wanted to tell you that...

Ahem, back on topic. The point in all these discussions about TOR is that we really need to embrace one simple fact. The game has been announced 3 days ago. From all the recent information we have gathered in these last few days we know that there will be levels and a level cap, we will have one henchman to follow us, "every character will have its own story line", there will be *cough*heroic*cough* classes and an enormous world... Doesnt seem quite sandbox and promising now does it?

But lets look at it from a differnet angle... We have all played Bioware games right? We all know how they can create a fantastic storyline, great worlds, great atmosphere and great characters... Mix that up into an SW MMO settings and i think MAYBE we can have something great. Put the levels and henchman aside... levels, if done correctly, can't be that important, they can just show a more powerful player than you cuz he has been playing more, that sounds right doesnt it? Than again that doesnt mean you cant take him down if  you play better than him, right? If levels are done like in mass effect or baldurs gate, i dont think we will have much to fear...

I dont know... i didnt put much tought in what i wrote but i hope it makes sense... Im still under impression of new SW game being announced i guess..

In tentonhammer (i think) interview they said there will be levels, so i guess there will also be your standard "heroic" classes..

Everything OP said! Every single word! My thoughts exactly.