Originally posted by Kaocan

Originally posted by ssjkakarotto

To summarize what's going on with ff14 with all these threads

 

So you're at a restaurant and you buy that meal most people warned you not to get but you get it anyways.  It tastes like crap but what do you say? You save face and pretend it's not "so bad"

No, whats actually going on is....

 

You walk into a restaurant, and having been warned by others that the meal would be bad, you get it anyway. It actually turns out to taste really good, but what can you say? You play it off as a terrible meal so you dont look like an outsider or have to explain why you spent the last 6 months agreeing with everyone else without ever actually eating the meal first.

Well thats almost whats actually going on here, because 90% of these people on here still saying its 'so bad' STILL haven't even bothered to go try the freakin meal to know for themselves either way.

 

 I thing I forgot to add, after playing it off taht it 's nowhere near as bad as it actually is, you deflect attention and start making fun of the haircut of some guy at the next table  or poke fun at the really overweight guy stuffing his face full of junk.

To summarize what's going on with ff14 with all these threads

So you're at a restaurant and you buy that meal most people warned you not to get but you get it anyways.  It tastes like crap but what do you say? You save face and pretend it's not "so bad"

My reason is simple.  I've played just about every FF including FF11 and I just want to see if it is worth it for me to get it now or wait till they smoth out all the issues I had with it in open beta.  Is is needless to list them all as it's been said many times before and met with nothing but nerd rage from the fanboys and obscene amounbt of trolling.

If you find my reason genuine enough please send me a PM on here.

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Originally posted by Selphares
Aside of that is the negative opinion mainly focused at this place around here. From SE I would mainly look on intern complains or on complains on these Beta Forums, than I would consider the main base for that I am aiming and of course The numbers of selling, whcih by the way aside of the forums rant about I willc ancel my preorder actually did grow constantly.
 

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Please don't use google translaters. Reading this gave me a headache

Why the hell is AION on this list even?

I would say definately not.  Grind hardly changed with the xp boots, not as bad as oldschool grind from say eq1 or ff11 for instance.  Boss drops are still as crappy aside for minor changes.  Drops in general are still piss poor, hardly ever you see anything other than some kinah or grey vendor trash.  Gold farmers now own the game economy and keep driving prices up on anything that is worthwhile.  Rift zones are infested with high level gankers, dont go out alone.  Abyss still a complete snoooze fest and mostly a ghost town aside from some guard farmers and bots and the times when forts are open for siege. Fort sieges are still boring as each is usually over within 5-10 mins.   And CC is running rampant without any plans for some kind of DR or immunity timers any time soon. 

If this is appealing to you then by all means come on back, it's your money after all.

Originally posted by Frostbite05

they fixed most of the flaws it had at launch the only thing they really need to fix is server stability for the big big sieges

Are you palying order? You are either blind or a fool.  Game has so many bugs it's not funny.  GCD exploits, guilds vaults bugging out, lag and oor bugs for melees, printscreening mofos just to name a few.

Balance is out of whack, favours order in jsut about everyway.  CC is as bad as ever, order CC almost never obeys CC immunities.

To OP,save you hard earned bucks and go elsewhere.  Stay as far away from this pos as possible. 

Originally posted by Kokushibyou

Originally posted by ssjkakarotto

2. Too many bugs still in game: from graphic/animation glicthes, falling through the world, targetting issues, ton of collision detection issues, combat unresponsiveness ( especially for melee, need ot spam skills forever before they go off, especially in pvp)

I hate it when people out and out lie in a post; WAR is by far one of the most bug free MMO launches ever.
 

Say what you will about the style of gameplay, that is a matter of personal taste, but coming on these boards to lie about the state of the game at release is just pathetic.  I have been playing since OB and not once have I ever fallen through the world.  Collision detection is exactly what it is supposed to be, yes you can get trapped by a group of enemy players (or even players of your own side who aren't smart enough to let you run away), but that was by design.  Skills go off as soon as their cool down is up no spamming neccessary, just look at the icon and you can see when they are going to go off.

HAve you even played a melee class? Go try pvp with melee then talk about combat responsiveness.  Collision detection is terrible, and im not talking about collision detection between PC, but between pcs and environment and objects.  As far as collision detection between pcs the design is terribly flawed.  IT's too easy to defend in keep sieges by placing 1 tank on stairs.  Healer or rdps can run behind a wall of freindly pcs and still nuke a mdps while the melee dps is completely blocked off.  If you wanna make it fine, make rdps get los issues if there are pcs between them and their target.

I have fallen throughthe world countless times, especially in inevitable city.

If you dont like that some people have the guts and post what the state of the game really is, then dont read the forums.

I agree with OP that the game is not worth it the way it stands now.  Here are some reasons why:

1. The classes are heavily unbalanced, CC is way out of CC.  There's a ton of threads on these issues on various forums. 

2. Too many bugs still in game: from graphic/animation glicthes, falling through the world, targetting issues, ton of collision detection issues, combat unresponsiveness ( especially for melee, need ot spam skills forever before they go off, especially in pvp)

3. Public Quests (PQs) are an interesting idea but they get old fast. Gets very grindy quickly.  On top of that, PQ rewards are good mostly for pve only, except for weapons and ocasional accesories.

4. Itemization is terrible.  PQ rewards are mostly good forpve only as they lack resistances which are need for pvp by everyone.  Also stat selection on PQ is very poor in most part.  Renown rewards are fairly poor as well, your best bet is farm AH for green gear with resists.  Lets not forget the loot tables which are a huge mess. 

5. Chat channels are a joke.  Unless you're in your factions main city, it's quite impossible to communicate with others outside your own guild or vc server.  There are no global or regional channels, as chat channels change every few steps you take outside of cities.  Can't communicate to people aout objective x or keep y being taken who aren't in your guild or vc.

6. Scenarios are bane of open Rvr which is supposed to be core of gameplay here. Scenarios are essentially BGs of WoW.  Most people flock to scenerios for most oftheir lvl grinding and RvR is completely empty most of the time, with order coming out usually during off peak time to cap some keeps/objectives.  This will unlikely change at rnk 40 as peopel grind for Renown ranks and order continues to avoid open Rvr during peak times. I'll admit that there is alot  more variety in bgs in WAR than in WoW, but some are so flawed in designed it's not even funny.  TA scenario from tier 3 is a perfect example, it should have not even been released. Essentaillly most order queue up only for TA due tremendous advantage and extreme ease they have in that one.

Originally posted by joejccva

It's the fact that alot of folks "think" that the classes themselves are balanced between realms and thats simply not the case in every point.

 

Are you saying that class balance favours destruction? You need to go and try playing destruction in t3 or t4 scenario and then come talk about balance between classes.

I'll agree that there are more destruction than order in general, but when it comes to class balance,  it definately favours order.  Furhternore, order tends to hug scenarios, and not even show their face in rvr until it's offpeak hrs, past destruction kiddies' bedtime.  Imo, they need to put some caps on number of scenarios you can do per hr/day, it is killing open RvR, which what they game is supposed to be about.

Order seems to be more organized as well, since most of the wow kiddies are plaguing destruction.

Originally posted by Gigget

 The friendly collison only applies in RvR/Scenario settings.  It's realistic isn't it?  Or are you not the type that complains that bows in games have no strings?  The collision can be used tactically -- did you know that?

 

And i can't believe you consider these urgent when there are more urgent bugs and fixes that need to be taken care of.

If you wanna make it realistic then any ranged dps should get LOS issue whenver they have another player between them and their target.  And make aoes hurt your allies too if they're in range.  Otherwise they need to remove collisions between players, friendly or not completely.

Originally posted by Philss

Pre ordered today in Canada at EB game they gave me some WAR box with the code inside and some magic like set of card .

Where did you find EB Games that actually had ob codes? every eb games i called within driving distance (about 20 -30 ofthem) and they all said they were all out

Anyone out there have an extra OB code? Either from closed beta who also managed to get one a preorder? I've tried all the EB stores in my area and they are all out of OB codes, or so they say.  And I dont have access to a credit card so preordering online is out of question for me.

Anyone who can spare one OB code would be greatly appreciated.  Please send a pm if you can