WoW did this as well But previous to SWG I dont know.

Not before SWG. But has been done before.

Originally posted by XlanayaX

The gay thing about dual class is that you can't use your other classes' gear like a knight switching to a priest

I agree, this sucks big time. If i can use my 2ndary class skills WTF can't i use his armor as well. Wheres Kerensky?? Discuss this.

Originally posted by thinktank001

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin

Today i leveled my armor crafting from 20-22. It took about 400 resources and 50 purify runes, and about 25 crafts of the 20 and 21 recipe for each.

 

I disagree.   Crafting should cost you something.   Your complaint sounds like you want an easy street to making currency. 

Buying resources from new players is a great way to distribute the wealth on a server.

 

Yes, crafting should cost you something... time, and money. The OP only wants to show the imbalance to crafting, not want easy street. You are reading too much into his post. Crafting should be #1 fun, it is a game not a job. #2 it should be meaningful, I dont want to grind lvls and lvls of AS just so i can make crap noone wants to buy cuz it sucks.

I say let the players craft highend merchandise but for a price thats reasonable. (ie. time, money) I dont want to feel im crafting for nothing. Best way to distribute wealth? Player crafted items are at least equal too or better than loots and items decay over time. This also help to build a community feeling.
 

Doubt this will ever happen though.

Originally posted by slighter22

I'm currently trying the game...and for the moment i'm very impressed though i didn't even try crafting, I think that the other game features are very fun and somehow "different" from other mmo's i tried...I only have a request, are you thinking of making the game run also in 16-bit mode?...since im playing on a laptop with vista im having quite poor performances and i can't really enjoy the game, when i played other games as Shaiya or Rohan running the game in 16-bit instead of 32-bit really helped the frame rate go up^^...hope in a positive response.

I'm glad you are enjoying the game, but it is still in beta. Currently not ment for your entertainment but for us to locate bugs and report problems. Your problem has been addressed before and it has been remarked that lag issues should be reduced at launch and is under constant attention from the dev's. I think ATM everyone is getting lag, and at times can be very bad. Just hang in there and lets get though beta. Hopefully it will run much smoother.

Originally posted by miagisan

the viral marketing for some of these f2p games lately is getting a bit out of hand........

Weak attempt huh?

Originally posted by krieblood

Best game Hands down that has came out in the past 3 or 4 years and its free you cant go wrong with Runes of magic. It has the feel of a mmo i went out to a store and picked up for 50 bucks lush worlds full of quests and adventure.

Iv been playing since open Beta kicked off and i was nothing short of impressed.

Now this f2p mmo Puts a new edge on the sword when it comes to PvP due to the ability of Multi classing and testing your own build against someone elses build. ( in other words in WoW a Warlock runs from a BM Hunter, Here Here my warlock is a Rogue to).

I recommend Everyone to give this game a try its great fun and heavly addictive.

You know what? This game is pretty good. But it's no WoW. RoM does some things better. Like PvP. The duel class system has its good points and bad. The world is tiny compared to WoW. Animations are, well... weak. Graphics are nice, but again no WoW. Crafting is a complete and utter waste of time and gold.

Dont get me wrong. So far I'm loving RoM and having a ton of fun. For me its still in OB so howd you buy a copy? Lots of things have issues and need to be fixed, but there is a ton of potential for a great F2P game.

One thing it still needs badly... POLISH!!

Originally posted by Kerensky_RoM

We're always happy to hear your opinions - we can't always fullfill all wishes or make all the changes players are asking for (especially if these wishes would break the game :) ) but we take everything into consideration.

well if you are listening, then please check out this thread.

www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/351/view/forums/post/2525076#2525076

After doing some research I was very disappointed with crafting myself. I hadnt done much cyz of trying to test other aspects. I checked this out and i have to agree that crafting is horribly flawed and unbalanced. There is no point to it what so ever. From what i can see so far you put crafting in the game, WHY? You wasted your time building a system into the game that sadly i dont see anyone useing. If you plan on keeping it even remotely like this, you might as well remove it from the game. Its not fun at all and there is no sense of accomplishment.So why do it.

 If this is what the game will be like?? I would be very happy.

How much are you guys willing to listen to the players for tweeks to the game? I hav only played for a couple hours carefully testing every aspect of every conponent. One small thing that really bugs me is the combat animations, they seema little too slow. Could you speed them up just a tad?They almost look like they are in slow motion ATM. I will continue to test this game out and give a complete review when I am done.

Originally posted by realmike15

on that note, fluent movement... i also really hope they take some time with animations.

for example, i understand WoWs graphics are not everyone favorites.  it's a stylized type of graphic but not typically realistic.  but the one thing WoW got down pat more than any other game i've seen is animations.  their characters move so realistically, that if it weren't for the over stylized graphics, you could almost forget you're playing a game.

check out the way an Orc runs sometime, the bounce in his step or even the way he jumps off the ground.  i think  minor things like these are overlooked, and i hope Bioware really takes some time into making fluid and realistic movements for their characters.

I agree that animation really adds to the game. It gives it some polish.

Originally posted by Waterlily

This is what SoE said to the EQ players a few months before this when they were getting worried:

 

"We have no plans what so ever to do actual sales of in game items, and I'm personally very opposed to the idea for EverQuest.  I think microtransations can be a valid business model if planned from the ground up for a game, but it would be very very bad for EQ."

I really dispise them now lol. They just ignored their players and went ahead with it anyway after many objections.

Totally typical of SoE. Lest we forget SWG and that whole mess.

Originally posted by Kfuchs

Darkfall is no where close to a joke.

It has 200k+ members on there forums and it isn't even in open beta... I remember before they announced on there site about beta they had only about 60-70k members on there site after the announcment that number grew like fire and continues to grow thats without heavy advertising its all been from word of mouth pretty much. Aside from that many of its followers have been following it for way over a year. Thats pretty impressive in my opinoin.

Darkfall found its niche before it even went into beta. All the mmos out right now are cookie cutters or they just suck. There hasn't been a really great sand box type mmo since UO. UO has been way outdated and there is still a decent size of players that play freeshards that mimic old UO.

Dude most of those are abandon members. I have a membership as well and I haven't even thought about going there in years. 200k but only maybe 25k active.

Originally posted by Sabradin

Originally posted by infrared1

Originally posted by Sabradin

Originally posted by infrared1

Originally posted by Sabradin

disreguard the title of this thread and listen to this

MMOs are about time-investing grinds

it is THE thing that seperates it from other games such as FPS

WE NEED / WANT these

inexperienced (or unwise) singles who wish to bastardize the MMO for some stupid sandbox idea are not thinking clearly!

they're the type that would here the ideas of communism and go "Yeah! that sounds right!"

they dont stop to think that it doesnt work! lol

and anyway sandbox mmo doesnt even sound right

ask yourself this question, if you think sandbox mmo might be good, why would you have levels (which are necessary to be considered an MMO) in the first place if all you want to do is play a game where everything is flat and everyone is equal (except for skill)?  You might as well play an FPS game.. because an FPS game already provides that skill-based system (without the annoyance of some stupid levels)

no, in MMOs you have the significant difference from FPS games.. skill is not enough.  You have to be willing to invest the time into what you're going to do

cheer for the time-invest!

 

Blah blah blah.......blah blah blah...... blah blah. Who made you the #1 authority on what a fricken MMO is or should be. Your OPINION is preachy.

 

Your opinion that it sounds "preachy" is also, preachy.

We can go on eternally about emotions and motives/styles

if you'd like to focus or talk about the facts id like to

 

Preachy.... umm.... OK? I thought I was pretty straight forward. Talk about what? Sounds more like you telling me what I should like. So what's to talk about, you seem to have it all figured out. Just don't tell me what I want or what I need. I'll be my own judge thank you very much.

 

I talked about facts and opinion.  Nothing wrong with that.

You can want sandbox MMO, sure.  But just as a sandbox MMO player want to encourage other people to like sandbox MMO, I want to discourage them from liking sandbox MMO and encouraging them instead to like FPS when they want to play a game based on skill, and a themepark MMO when they feel like playing a game based on time-investing.

Sandbox MMO may be your thing, but its not for me.  And I have no problem discouraging other people from playing it, as I see the more people playing themepark MMO (specifically Star Wars TOR), the better.

First of all I never said I was in favor of anything. (sandbox, FPS, whatnot)

Second of all facts and opinions. Like you first sentence that tells me disreguard the OP and listen to you. WE NEED / WANT these... HUH?? We who exactly? Cuz I know you didn't just speak for everyone else did you. How about, I NEED / WANT these.... then that becomes YOUR opinion. Then my friend you go on to insult everyone that doesn't agree with you, compare them to a communist and laugh at them. That is neither opinion nor fact. That is just telling me and everyone else that the OP's thread is worthless  and YOU are going to enlighten us and tell us what's correct. Please remove yourself from the soap box.

NOW I am preaching. But I think it was tactful on my part. But thats my opinion.

Originally posted by Sabradin

Originally posted by infrared1

Originally posted by Sabradin

disreguard the title of this thread and listen to this

MMOs are about time-investing grinds

it is THE thing that seperates it from other games such as FPS

WE NEED / WANT these

inexperienced (or unwise) singles who wish to bastardize the MMO for some stupid sandbox idea are not thinking clearly!

they're the type that would here the ideas of communism and go "Yeah! that sounds right!"

they dont stop to think that it doesnt work! lol

and anyway sandbox mmo doesnt even sound right

ask yourself this question, if you think sandbox mmo might be good, why would you have levels (which are necessary to be considered an MMO) in the first place if all you want to do is play a game where everything is flat and everyone is equal (except for skill)?  You might as well play an FPS game.. because an FPS game already provides that skill-based system (without the annoyance of some stupid levels)

no, in MMOs you have the significant difference from FPS games.. skill is not enough.  You have to be willing to invest the time into what you're going to do

cheer for the time-invest!

 

Blah blah blah.......blah blah blah...... blah blah. Who made you the #1 authority on what a fricken MMO is or should be. Your OPINION is preachy.

 

Your opinion that it sounds "preachy" is also, preachy.

We can go on eternally about emotions and motives/styles

if you'd like to focus or talk about the facts id like to

Preachy.... umm.... OK? I thought I was pretty straight forward. Talk about what? Sounds more like you telling me what I should like. So what's to talk about, you seem to have it all figured out. Just don't tell me what I want or what I need. I'll be my own judge thank you very much.

Lagg??.....What lagg??..... Where??

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by SaintViktor

The game hasn't even been shown yet and already some complain ? I love intelligent posts like these!  

Because you can already tell the direction the game is going in? Just read the website and look at the screenshots. They are cartoony and stylized. The FAQs say it will be mostly soloable and heavy story driven.

 

IE, a billion instances and playing by yourself most of the time. Anyone who expected anything different from a company that makes single player games should question their ability to think. It is THIS reason that I have always said KotoR and Elderscrolls would NOT make good MMOs. 

I agree. A lot has been said in interviews that tell you what direction the devs are going in. I for one am not very impressed with their chosen direction so far. I hope it will be tweeked a bit as time goes on. ATM I kinda read things as a GW type game.

Originally posted by miagisan

Originally posted by infrared1

Originally posted by Sabradin

disreguard the title of this thread and listen to this

MMOs are about time-investing grinds

it is THE thing that seperates it from other games such as FPS

WE NEED / WANT these

inexperienced (or unwise) singles who wish to bastardize the MMO for some stupid sandbox idea are not thinking clearly!

they're the type that would here the ideas of communism and go "Yeah! that sounds right!"

they dont stop to think that it doesnt work! lol

and anyway sandbox mmo doesnt even sound right

ask yourself this question, if you think sandbox mmo might be good, why would you have levels (which are necessary to be considered an MMO) in the first place if all you want to do is play a game where everything is flat and everyone is equal (except for skill)?  You might as well play an FPS game.. because an FPS game already provides that skill-based system (without the annoyance of some stupid levels)

no, in MMOs you have the significant difference from FPS games.. skill is not enough.  You have to be willing to invest the time into what you're going to do

cheer for the time-invest!

 

Blah blah blah.......blah blah blah...... blah blah. Who made you the #1 authority on what a fricken MMO is or should be. Your OPINION is preachy.

 

same could be said for those arguing against it.....flip of a coin....

Oh soooo true.

Originally posted by Sabradin

disreguard the title of this thread and listen to this

MMOs are about time-investing grinds

it is THE thing that seperates it from other games such as FPS

WE NEED / WANT these

inexperienced (or unwise) singles who wish to bastardize the MMO for some stupid sandbox idea are not thinking clearly!

they're the type that would here the ideas of communism and go "Yeah! that sounds right!"

they dont stop to think that it doesnt work! lol

and anyway sandbox mmo doesnt even sound right

ask yourself this question, if you think sandbox mmo might be good, why would you have levels (which are necessary to be considered an MMO) in the first place if all you want to do is play a game where everything is flat and everyone is equal (except for skill)?  You might as well play an FPS game.. because an FPS game already provides that skill-based system (without the annoyance of some stupid levels)

no, in MMOs you have the significant difference from FPS games.. skill is not enough.  You have to be willing to invest the time into what you're going to do

cheer for the time-invest!

Blah blah blah.......blah blah blah...... blah blah. Who made you the #1 authority on what a fricken MMO is or should be. Your OPINION is preachy.

It Will be......It....will...be...

Originally posted by Mahlo

Actually the Darkfall calendar year consists of 4989089079878789787 days.

That's some funny shit right there.