Originally posted by Silok

Originally posted by chryses

Originally posted by FrodoFragins
What's the payment model?  That opens/closes a lot of doors on its own.

I think this type of game has to be FTP personally for the following reasons:

- Needs a lot of players to make it work, even casual ones are good to keep the pop up.

I dont agree, you dont need millions of peoples to feed a game. Casual crownd are a plague for this kind of game cause most of them want everything without taking the time to play and with no effort. So they will whine because  they cant have a house in the minutes.

- Easy to sell housing kits or whatever.  Not pay to win but if you want the best looking gear then pay for it.

Sell housing kit? And what about you take the time to craft these kits? We are talking about games here.. not buying barby house for youre kids.. geez.

- People will be so much more patient with the development.  If I pay a sub and the game is half baked I tend to leave in 2 weeks.

No one is patients even with F2P, most of these so called mmoRPG players, these days want everythings and fast.

You said it yourself '' If I pay a sub and the game is half baked I tend to leave in 2 weeks.

- Will attract a lot of players who have another main subbed MMO.  Will allow a lot of players to play and not feel like they need to choose between their established MMO/guild and the new one.

If this game offer me more liberty and challenge then other mmoRPG, then yes i will leave other sub game, cause they do not offer me much or i should say almost nothing these days.

Only way in my book.

Well in my book you're book is wrong. But we do not want the same thing do we?

Definitely agree with Silok here. Who knows, maybe I'm just old school, but I find the F2P games with their micro-transaction stores to be tacky... Even if it's not pay to win I just don't like how most of them will try and wave the store in your face as often as possible. I'm a much bigger fan of paying a sub and just playing the game knowing that I have access to everything so long as I'm willing to put in whatever time and effort is required. The usual price of a subscription really isn't that much so I've never thought twice about it.

Originally posted by Rhoklaw
The only thing that worries me about this game is the combat. When he said FPS is being incorporated, I completely lost interest cause to me, that instantly means cheaters ala Darkfall Online. Doesn't matter if only one person cheats, the fact the possibility is there for people to cheat is enough to turn me away. It doesn't even have to be FPS anymore as people are now finding ways to cheat in just about any MMO, such as GW2 with the teleporting hack. People never cease to amaze me with their need to completely !@#% games up cause they can't play games as they were intended to be played.

Uh... I don't see what that has to do with FPS, lol. I think there have been people trying to cheat and hack MMOs since they were first invented.

So what I'm getting from some of these comments is that graphics that are not completely realistic are cartoony, cartoony graphics are child-like, and cartoony graphics are WoW-like... Sounds like a bunch of over simplification to me. So I'm going to do what no one has so far, I'm going to defend the graphics for the sake of the graphics instead of touting that gameplay is more important.

First off, the graphics look considerably better that WoW. Just compare the WoW screenshot in the comments to the screenshots in the article. The blood elf character is a far simpler model than the little guy with the green glowy thing in the the bottom screenshot. The terrain in the WoW shot is a bland solid texture, just compare it to the terrain of the screenshots in the article. And finally the water in the WoW shot lacks the kind of luminescence that the article screenshot has. Origins of Malu looks significantly better than WoW.

As for child-like, well I'm going to dismiss that outright. The art style has a bit of a surreal look to it in my opinion, which in my mind, does not mean child-like. (Even considering it surreal I still think I looks more real than WoW...) So yeah, it's not a graphics card killer, but why does every game have to be in order to say the graphics are good? These graphics are good, I like them, and I think they fit well.

Ah sweet, I saw these guys at PAX and even got to speak with some of their developers. Awesome to hear even more about this faction system of theirs as well as crafting, but I'm surprised they didn't talk about combat at all. Seemed like that was what they were showing off most at PAX. They had a couple of interesting things, chargable spells and dodging. The spells were something like spells with cast timers from other games, except you could cast the spell before the timer had completed. So more time meant more power. Was confusing at first considering we didn't have much time to learn the controls. I had to play the demo twice before I understood it. Then the dodging seemed pretty cool as well. Spells would home in on your like other games, but if you dodged out of the way it would fly right past you. I also saw spells crashing into trees when I ran behind them.

Well, that's enough rambling from me for now I guess. I'm pretty excited about this one so hopefully we'll keep hearing more. This is the first major article I've actually seen for it. Wonder how long it'll take before we hear about beta.

Hmm... Well, after PE closed down I kinda stopped following STO because it all just seemed to be a mess of rumors, but of course STO decided to follow me. I came across the recent rumor control article on gamespot.com which is essientially the same kinds of rumors I've been trying to ignore, but it led me to want to swing back by here and see what's up. Still alot of rumors and day dreams, but the fact that the site is back up with "Coming Soon" has suprised me. What I thought might be dead actually still has a pulse.

Anyway, I was just wondering, can anyone fill me in by telling me how long the official site has been back up with the "coming soon" tag on it?

Ok, well I've got quite a list of things that I think would make the best Sci-Fi MMO ever. That's right, I said Sci-Fi MMO and not Star Trek MMO. That's because that's what I have always been looking for, a truely great Sci-Fi MMO. But don't get me wrong, I love Star Trek and I think this would be a great liscense for what I'm suggesting.

Twitch / Skill / Aim based first person view at all times. This is for a true sense of immersion. So that you feel like you really are in the game. Even when you're on the bridge captaining the ship. Want to get a view of what's around the outside of the ship? Then I've got two words for you: "On Screen!"

Full / Complete ship interiors. In my ship, I want to be able to know every inch of it. Again, this is for immersion. I don't mind having to show a little common courtesy by knocking first when it comes to someone's personal quarters though. And to go along with this, I'd like to see my crew acting normally. Meaning they can be seen walking around the ship, going about their duties, and seen in the off time just hanging out with others and such.

Seamless. I'd like to see this game be as seemless as possible. Again, I speak of immersion. I don't want to see loading screens and the like. Or at least, when I'm looking at a loading screen I don't want to think of it as a loading screen. Examples: 1. If I'm in the transporter going from one location to another, then there's gonna have to be a loading screen of some type. I'd like this to maybe appear as a glowing, pulsating screen that could possibly be explained as what I'm seeing while being transported or something... 2. If for whatever reason I have to use a shuttle to travel from ship to ship, to a station, or to a planet's surface. I want to go along for the ride. Loading screens could be masked by docking or the entry into a planet's atmosphere. Both allowing the old resources to be purged and the new locations to be loaded. Though of course I could see some people not wanting to sit and wait in a shuttle just for the sake of immersion, so I would suggest a hotkey button or something that could skip that and take players directly to a loading screen and their new location.

By now I'm sure you see I'm really into the whole immersion idea and honestly, that stems from how much I do love Star Trek. I've always wished I could live in such a future thanks to watching the shows and movies. So, since I can't do that I've been waiting for a game that has everything I've been talking about. If STO doesn't do this, well, I'll probably still play it just cause I love Star Trek. But I'll still be looking for a Sci-Fi MMO that can do all that I've talked about.

And a few final thoughts... Skill > Gear... The gear in this game should be standard issue based mainly on a player's prefered play style. Gear based games are just designed to keep players occupied doing the same crap over and over again. It keeps them paying for the game with less worry about how quickly new content is added.

And... Dynamic Game Content > Linear Quests / Missions... When the game world changes constantly through dynamic systems you're never doing the same thing twice. Someday a really great game will be released that does this in such an amazing way that the "WoW" era of games will wither and die. The key is to create dynamic systems that are fun and then successfully layer them in a very complex manner. Definately not an easy task by any means, but someday it will be done.

Death of STO? Well, the STO we were led to believe was coming is probably already dead. But, I don't think anyone will let STO die. Meaning I don't see this as going away. Projects may die and liscenses may change hands, but eventually STO will see the light of day. I think a Star Trek MMO is inevitable.

If it takes too much longer though it'll give me time to build up my resume which I can send in to whatever game studio has the liscense. I'd be more than willing to help with the programming. But let's hope it doesn't take that long, cause I still have to finish up college and get more work experience to be qualified...