Isnt Fallen Earth FFA PvP?

I mean, I do like scifi/post apolyptic genre and sandbox mmo's. But I dont like it in combination with FFA pvp. I like challenges, but to me FFA pvp seems to appeal more to the sadistic nature of ppl. Not really like sportmans challenge, but more like a cheap thrill like a horror movie. That gets boring after a while.

Edit: sleepy typo removed

Originally posted by kittenbot

one MMO that did have pretty nice animations was tabula rasa, they added lotsw of little attention to detail anims, such as if you run into gradually deepening water at a ertain point your character would actually jump into a racing dive rather than suddenly starting to float, and jumping from a high place would cause you to land in a roll, was nice stuff....

Anyway lots of people seem to be talking about the computing resources taken up by animation, but thats bollocks, what the article mainly asked for was variation of animations, the only additional resource more animations would take up is a little hard drive space, the real actual issue however is that most MMOs are animated like SHIT, I can't really think of an MMO that's even as well animated as Half life 1, it's an attention to detail issue to be honest, good graphical work is often pushed to the back on games that have a lot of other stuff required in them, it's an area to be addressed....that said, Global agenda looks quite nicely animated insofar, though if you ask me it doesn't look as good as it SHOULD for an unreal engine 3 game.

The more detailed the model is (polygons), the more calculated effects its influenced by (lightsources etc) and the more movement in the surroundings (more detailed animations and amount of animated models), the more performance you need. Its not like loading a wmv file from the harddrive like you think.

Two other posters gave two good reasons. First one was to comment about WoW animation, where the subtle animations make the characters appear more alive. You really need talented animators and a lot of time for that.

The other person comment was about the number of characters that your client has to render. There is a reason why FPS games didnt allow loads of characters on a single map untill recently.

Furthermore, MMOs are way longer in production then singleplayer games and need human resources in a lot of other fields then just graphics. For this reason alone, it is not surprising that the animation quality and variation is lacking in MMO land.

You could have everything in one MMO, you only need to convince the investors that you really need all that manpower :p

I find these 'why not?' articles a bit shallow. Why not put everything in MMO's and hand out supercomputers when people subscribe?

Originally posted by Bruticus_XI

Originally posted by someforumguy

Everything has its positive side.

The ugly heterosexual man can thank God for the homosexual men. After all, it means less competition with the ladies.

It would only be a problem if all the goodlooking men and women would get homosexual. But fortunately thats not the case

On a serious note:

Stop being homophobic already.

Homophobic? Lol. That's another stupid term I've heard thrown around.

Then there is the ugly heterosexual men that is not only ugly, but also stupid. They just dont realise what kind of advantage the existance of homosexuals brings with it

Originally posted by Bama1267

  I may not agree with homosexuality. I may even find it immoral , but I do believe in giving them respect. I find it hard to believe people don't understand why one would want a glbt guild. Has anyone ever thought about what they have to hear on a daily basis from ignorant morons? I myself am guilty from time to time of things that one might find offensive. So is it any wonder why they would just rather hang out with people of similar interests to create a better atmosphere in which they can play the game?

 

Yeah, I can understand where you are coming from. I have the same thing with ginger hair. It is wrong and immoral! They should be stopped from pursuing a gingerhaired life!

Everything has its positive side.

The ugly heterosexual man can thank God for the homosexual men. After all, it means less competition with the ladies.

It would only be a problem if all the goodlooking men and women would get homosexual. But fortunately thats not the case

On a serious note:

Stop being homophobic already.

Originally posted by Troneas

Originally posted by someforumguy

Originally posted by Troneas

hehe, just like the rest of the fanbois, after they run out of arguments they resort to the old "get over it" post. never fails to happen.

 

 

Its not about fanboys vs haters. Lot of posters just give up on ppl like you, because they realise that some people cant quit this unhealthy obsession. Most posters on this board just want to play games you know. For fun. They are not interesting in some kind of holier then thou crusade like some of the delusional posters in this thread.

So its more about a 'who cares' vs anti SOE zealots kind of thing. You and your fellow anti SOE forumwarriors definately need a reality check.

 

 

clearly, you are interested; otherwise you wouldn't be reading and replying to posts in this thread.

so its about SOE zealots who post in an effort to avoid past and present be missrepresented or missinterpreted by posters vs. those who care but really don't have a clue why they are reading the threads they are reading.

 

 

I dont have a clue? I do recognise when I see posters put on their tinfoil hats and start rambling incoherently about a company they barely know about. Just because that company changed a game once that was their life.

I care because I find it scary that ppl can go mental over just a game company like this. I also cant believe that those people are this serious. I always suspect a troll, because frankly I find it very difficult to believe that players react as if a company destroyed their life. Over a bloody game.

So you see? My interest in this thread has nothing to do with what Sony specifically did or didnt do. Like any normal person I understand that they are just a commercial company that will do whatever they think is needed to make money. And like most other companies make stupid mistakes.

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- Edited by GaiusMarius

Originally posted by Troneas

hehe, just like the rest of the fanbois, after they run out of arguments they resort to the old "get over it" post. never fails to happen.

 

Its not about fanboys vs haters. Lot of posters just give up on ppl like you, because they realise that some people cant quit this unhealthy obsession. Most posters on this board just want to play games you know. For fun. They are not interesting in some kind of holier then thou crusade like some of the delusional posters in this thread.

So its more about a 'who cares' vs anti SOE zealots kind of thing. You and your fellow anti SOE forumwarriors definately need a reality check.

Difficult to answer.

For variety of offered features, I would say SWG

- Beastmaster, playercities/housing (no other game can compete on this front), ground and space combat, crafting

For fluid and skilled PVE combat, I would say Guild Wars (definately not SWG lol). Vanguard, EQ2 and WoW are good at this too. But I prefer GW's combatsystem.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by summitus

................. also hard to believe people are still harping on about this too, the rest of the world has moved on but the good old Veteran refuge just stays the same. The same arguments over and over and over again.

Hey maybe thats what Hell would like eh being stuck in the Veteran Refuge for all eternity ! 

 

Stranger still is entering Hell of one's own free will. Why do you do this if you hate it so?

Visiting a place out of curiousity is not the same as hating the idea of being stuck there for eternity. There is nothing strange about curiousity.

Originally posted by Cydone

How many games would I have to play to be able to make that statement? probably 100.000.

So, its a useless statement. Yet powerful on an internet forum, as its what people read and see.

Just a kick in the balls to the opposite post thats out there.

Have only played for a few hours. Started the mmo genre with AO, have tried at least 10. This is a breath of fresh air, and Im having a good time so far.

On the internet, apparantly, thats all I need to have done, to be able to make statements like the above.

If you have any degree in anything whatso ever, the internet is a very frustration and unintelligable place. Kids try arguments againts lawers, and /fail. but who cares.

Im a troll. game is still good. Try it.

Cheers
Cyd

The OP's post of the 'worst game ever' thread was actually a review on the time he played the game with actual information about the game and explains what he didnt like about it. The greatly exaggerated title doesnt change this.

'Game is good. Try it.' Is definately not a review.

I really dont see how this post is a kick in the balls of the other thread.

Originally posted by Brone87

Originally posted by LogothX

This review mirrors my own impressions... Except I made a Man Donkey.

 

The sooner developers realize how pointless kill quests are, the better.

 

Ok genius... what do you suppose they should do instead? 100% Errand Boy quest?  To Level you must kill monsters... kill quest allows you to receive the exp from the kills in addition to a reward at the end of the quest. You're just an extremely lazy person and probably want the first quest in the game to be a person standing in front of you who instantly levels you to max level.

BTW I think this is a horrible thread, some people find it funny however when people are browsing these forums and see threads titled "worst game ever" they may not realize the OP forgot to take his ritalin the day he was trying the game out. I for one am enjoying very much.

You havent played many games if you think that all quests in games are only about killing x mobs or doing errands. Cant wait myself untill the retarded 'kill x boars' quests have completely disappeared from new MMO's. The idea that you have to wade through slain rabid boar corpses to get to a npc that asks you to kill more of those boars and is completely unaware that you just killed 5 in front of his nose, never struck you as retarded?

I thought the review was funny, while still being clear about why the OP didnt like it. It wasnt about the number of kills needed, but the fact that it was another copy of those generic starter quests that show a lack of creativity. 

Why worry about what other people might think about the game?

Why does every DF thread turn into a Devour vs Daarco bitchfight? Get a room already.

Oh and I agree with OP.

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by Devour

Originally posted by daarco

I will linc this what a strawmen argument is http://www-personal.umich.edu/~lilyth/strawman.html

The scary part is that it fits the haters very well.

Example: Thousands of people are having fun in DF

-Hater: No they havent.

- well yes.

-Hater: How could they have fun when its a failure?

 

Yoy see my point : )

Also funny because i did post a thread a few weeks ago about this looking as a Science vs Creationsm debate.

 

More realistic example of a Darkfall forums discussion:
Fankiddy: Hundreds of thousands of people are having fun in DF!
"Hater": No, they aren't.
Fankiddy: Tasos said they are, so it must be true!
"Hater": *facepalm*

EDIT: Hey, daarco, you're right for once, it is like a science vs religion debate.
Average person: The game has a feature.
Reply: Where is the feature?
Average person: Here is the feature. *shows the person the feature*

Darkfall player: The game has a feature.
Reply: Where is the feature?
Darkfall player:THE GAME HAS A FEATURE!

I have my own twist on that...

Poster: WTH... there's hardly any PvE in DF
Fan: It's a hardcore PvP game, it's not supposed to have PvE
Poster: According to AV and Tasos, the game is supposed to have plenty of PvE (provides link as proof)
robertb: I disagree. So, you are wrong.
Fan: Then you obviously aren't playing the game, there's plenty of PvE.
daarc: Aventurine is like Quentin Tarantino.
Poster: Yes, a few groups of mobs over-camped by 10 other players, not including the players waiting to gank you and steal the loot.
Fan: DF is a hardcore PvP MMO with full looting. It doesn't need PvE.
Poster: Would you make up your mind? Either it has no PvE because it's hardcore PvP... or it has plenty of PvE... Which is it?
robertb: I disagree. So, you are wrong.
Fan: Go back to your themepark WoW if you can't handle a sandbox MMO.
Poster: Now you're not even answering my question.
Fan: Yes I am. AV created a revolutionary MMO that has Blizzard shaking in their boots for fear of losing players.
Poster: Oh, please. It's hardly revolutionary. DF isn't even on Blizzard's radar.
Fan: Well it's unfair of you to hold AV to such a high standard. They don't have the money and resources Blizzard has, so of course they can't compete.
Poster: Then why do you think DF has Blizzard shaking in their boots? Examples please?
Fan: DF obviously isn't for you. I recommend going back to your kiddie theme-park game.
daarc: Darkfall is like chess.
Poster: There you go avoiding my question again.
Fan: No I'm not. I answered you. DF has sieges with hundreds of people fighting it out in the same area at the same time. There's video to prove it.
Poster: I've seen the videos of those battles, I never see more than 30 or so at a time, and they're just running. I don't see any massive battles.
Fan: People are too busy fighting to record video. DF is a hardcore FFA PvP sandbox MMO.
daarc: Darkfall is the only MMO people ever complain about. Every other MMO gets a pass for their mistakes.
Poster: So why are you pointing to a video as proof?
robertb: I disagree. So, you are wrong.
Poster: You disagree with what?
robertb: I disagree. So, you are wrong.
Fan: Darkfall is an epic hardcore FFA PvP Sandbox MMO with full looting. You obviously can't handle it. Go back to WoW.
daarc: Tasos is like Jesus.

... and on and on...
 

Obviously not all literal examples (though there are some direct quotes in there)... but gets the point across.  It's like a guessing game with them... "Which way will they spin next?"

ROFL.

Originally posted by Daedalus732

So I saw a thread similar to this one and decided to make the post the OP should have made: A warning for casual, carebear gamers to leave right now, rather than a whiny complaint that a new MMO will require more than a few mouse and keyboard clicks.

This game will not hold your hand. It won't give you a map even, requiring you to make your own. I can't wait to make them and either sell them or give them to friends. You won't be able to /tell anyone right away, nor send out global chat. Love that too. If I don't know you, I don't want to talk to you or hear the latest Chuck Norris joke or how great it feels when you receive fellatio from your sister's hot friend. And if I CAN see that type of thing in my chat box, I'll be close enough to throw my sword into your gut. And believe me, I'll do it without hesitation.

There will be Open PVP with few restrictions, though your actions will have consequences. Yes, you can be killed potentially anytime, anywhere. Combine this with chat restrictions and I'd wager few if any bots, gold farmers, kiddie jokes, or the other crap that makes most mainstream MMOs unbearable enters the game. I can't wait to full item loot some WoW kid who thought he could make the transition and be uber l33t right away.

Building/attacking cities, homes, mounted combat, siege weapons, and a seamless game world shouldn't be a playground for the carebears anyway. Frankly, carebears don't deserve features like this, particularly after the last six years in MMO gaming has done nothing but appeal to the lowest common denominator.

Here's the thing. Mortal Online is slated to be a true MMORPG. In short a

Massively MULTIPLAYER Online ROLEPLAYING Game

I emphasize "multiplayer" and "roleplaying" to stress that this genre has been twisted and contorted by the MSOGs (Massively Singleplayer Online Games) such as WoW and many others. Whatever multiplayer features they offer absolutely pales in comparison to what this genre originally demanded of people.

In short, the carebears have thier MMOs. They can go play them right now. Mortal Online is for those of us who take our gaming seriously and who want a real challenge in our games, rather than a virtual morphine injection every time we slay a boar near Brill.

Don't come here complaining that the game is too hard, or that it doesn't cater to the "casual" players. It was never designed or supposed to do that. If you do, we will laugh at your stupidty and make fun of your weak gaming abilities. And yes, I'm an arrogant bastard when it comes to MMOs whose tolerance for the cookie-cutter WoW-esque crap has run dry.
 

You sound like the typical MMO coward to me. Person who likes to gank and pick on easy targets and then talk tough. Why else would you post like this on a forum?

Btw, open PVP games rarely have PVP that needs skilled players. For skilled PVP you should check a game where both sides are evened out. Guild Wars GvG for example. But i dont think you could handle that, because you would actually have a learning curve and need to learn how to work with a team. No room for epeen loving internet machos in there.

 EDIT: Forgot to mention that you emphasized 'roleplaying' but never elaborated on that. Just to show how incoherent your rambling is.

I prefer QQ quitting stories tbh. Socks too

Originally posted by Ashkael

Rule #1 of PvP: If you get killed, blame it on the baseless assumption that the enemy always has more people than you, and there is nothing you can do to fight them.

You are funny for using a baseless assumption to accuse the OP of a baseless assumption.

Originally posted by Valeran

Originally posted by someforumguy

Originally posted by Valeran

Originally posted by Antarious

Originally posted by Valeran

Originally posted by someforumguy

I think SWG preNGE was a crappy timesink of a game. Well, it doesnt even deserve the lable game. It was more like some social workplace for basementdwellers that wanted to simulate a real job in a playfull way.

PostNGE started out crappy, if not crappier then preNGE if thats possible,  and turned slowly into something good actually. Far better then preNGE imo. 

Subscription numbers would say your opinion is far in the minority. 

As far as the NGE being better...yeah...faux server mergers due to barren servers was something good.

 

That's only if you base the success of a game on it having subscribers..

If you base it on whether a paticular person actually likes it or not then "someforumguy" is 100% accurate.

It just depends on your point of view....  (that's actually the arguement most ffapvp "full loot" people use...  no no don't start spraying drool on your screen UO was my first mmo... I liked ffapvp with full loot.. I was just saying...)

I think that people want to ignore subscription numbers not just because they personally didn't like pre-nge.. but because if they have to pay attention to them... Then WoW is the best and nobody here likes WoW.  (no I don't have a job in that type of analysis... now you see why...)

 

Sub numbers is something that is measurable so it is easy to point to in regards to populous.  I do not like WoW but they clearly are the market leader so they are doing something right to have all these other mmos try and fail to topple them or even dip into their market share.

I agree that sucess can mean different things to different people but it was clear that SOE wanted a piece of that WoW pie but didn't really want to do the work to get it and in the process alienated a large majority of their paying customers...not once but twice. 

UO was my first mmo as well. :)

 

I think what he meant was that you dont need subscription numbers to form an opinion about a game.

I know from personal experience. Once I bought an album from Britney Spears, totally convinced that I would like the music because everywhere I looked I saw her. So it had to be really nice music.

Then I started to bleed from my ears.

 

I quite agree from a consumer's perspective but even as a consumer the subscription numbers are an indicator...especially in a sandbox game where interdependency on others is required.

If your opinion is that post-NGE works better for you and you are ok with what SOE did I have no issues with it.  You are walking through the door with eyes wide open.

As far as Brittany...it looks good from afar...but when you look up close and listen to the music yeah bleeding ear syndrome.

 

I think the NGE was a really stupid move from SOE, especially from a business perspective. Nooby MMO company thing. Like TCoS and the way they divided the world based on ip. They are coming back from that decision too. The whole listening to the players thing is something still quite new and even now not all MMO companies do it.

Im also positive that SOE wont pull another NGE on current SWG. They simply lack the resources for that atm :p for one thing and as arrogant as their suits might be, they do realise that it was a bad move (eventhough they might not admit it publicly).

I pay for current game, not for the old mistake. If they change it in a way that I find gamebreaking, Ill voice my opinion, stop paying and move on.

Originally posted by Valeran

Originally posted by Antarious

Originally posted by Valeran

Originally posted by someforumguy

I think SWG preNGE was a crappy timesink of a game. Well, it doesnt even deserve the lable game. It was more like some social workplace for basementdwellers that wanted to simulate a real job in a playfull way.

PostNGE started out crappy, if not crappier then preNGE if thats possible,  and turned slowly into something good actually. Far better then preNGE imo. 

Subscription numbers would say your opinion is far in the minority. 

As far as the NGE being better...yeah...faux server mergers due to barren servers was something good.

 

That's only if you base the success of a game on it having subscribers..

If you base it on whether a paticular person actually likes it or not then "someforumguy" is 100% accurate.

It just depends on your point of view....  (that's actually the arguement most ffapvp "full loot" people use...  no no don't start spraying drool on your screen UO was my first mmo... I liked ffapvp with full loot.. I was just saying...)

I think that people want to ignore subscription numbers not just because they personally didn't like pre-nge.. but because if they have to pay attention to them... Then WoW is the best and nobody here likes WoW.  (no I don't have a job in that type of analysis... now you see why...)

 

Sub numbers is something that is measurable so it is easy to point to in regards to populous.  I do not like WoW but they clearly are the market leader so they are doing something right to have all these other mmos try and fail to topple them or even dip into their market share.

I agree that sucess can mean different things to different people but it was clear that SOE wanted a piece of that WoW pie but didn't really want to do the work to get it and in the process alienated a large majority of their paying customers...not once but twice. 

UO was my first mmo as well. :)

 

I think what he meant was that you dont need subscription numbers to form an opinion about a game.

I know from personal experience. Once I bought an album from Britney Spears, totally convinced that I would like the music because everywhere I looked I saw her. So it had to be really nice music.

Then I started to bleed from my ears.

Originally posted by Valeran

Originally posted by someforumguy

Originally posted by Valeran

Originally posted by someforumguy

I think SWG preNGE was a crappy timesink of a game. Well, it doesnt even deserve the lable game. It was more like some social workplace for basementdwellers that wanted to simulate a real job in a playfull way.

PostNGE started out crappy, if not crappier then preNGE if thats possible,  and turned slowly into something good actually. Far better then preNGE imo. 

Subscription numbers would say your opinion is far in the minority. 

As far as the NGE being better...yeah...faux server mergers due to barren servers was something good.

 

Hey! Majorities depend on the existence of minorities. So, right behaviour would be to thank me!

 

I thank you for the debate.  Please make sure you post a picture of the Smed idol when you are done.  ;)

Tbh Im not sure what he looks like. I missed all the e-drama at that time. So I simply used a picture of Bill Gates instead. Like they say, evi..ehm holyness shows in many forms, but are really just all the same.

Originally posted by Valeran

Originally posted by someforumguy

Did you forget to read my reaction and simply quoted out of habit the last post in this thread?

Well, in the hope I might win something, I think the answer is $3.456.267,23

And about 3.456 reputation.

Thanks for educating me.

 

you are the one who brought up marketing...

I never implied that SOE's marketing decisions were positive lol.