The reason the game is instance is mostly due to the Foundry, which is awesome, and the immersion factor. Having 5k "heroes" running around makes you feel less heroic. As for not feeling D&Dish, have you taken a look at D&D 4.0. The game was build off of that system. Additionally, there is no such thing as creating the D&D feel in an MMO. D&D is a group of people playing around a table with a DM giving out fairly liner quests. 5 to 12 people verse 5k or more. Not really possible to get that "D&D feel". However, I believe that Cryptic did an awesome job catching the spirit of D&D 4.0.

Just a couple of words on the resources issue and whether or not Cryptic has the money to host open world servers. First, Cryptic does not host the servers, Perfect World International does. Second, even being funded by PWI does not mean Cryptic has no budget. It is plain ignorance to think that Cryptic has unlimited cash to make the perfect game for each person. Neverwinter is F2P, until it brings in a profit, Cryptic is fairly limited on funds and what they can do. Honestly Id rather have the Foundry expanded then another open world like WoW. Why turn Neverwinter into a WoW clone when it already has a nitch with NWN 1&2?

Originally posted by Manestream

Actually, he does kind of have a valid point.

How many companies have changed their game causing friction in the community, yet they shun the players off. Its the players that make the game, losing those will lose the game eventually. If a company does this several times then players both current and future will start to avoid their games because of the bad feedback they have gained for themselves.

So far Blizzard has seen off every wannabe that has come out, unfortunatly other companies try to copy their formula instead of making one from start with alot of features that currently are not out.

what i would liek to see in a future MMO release -

Guilds - start off small, level up allows a couple more players in the guild. Not only this but guild can build up a village, starting small and build it up themselves. Via gathering the resources themselves or purchasing from markets. Guild buildings can be built at certain levels that teh guild reach's, and buildings can also be leveled up. Training rooms, crafting house's, barracks-allows more people to be recruited into a guild). Guilds can build on 1 area not have buildings scattered all over the place.

Wars - If a guild builds somewhere the community does not like (trying to take and hold an entrance) they can be attacked by 1 or a contingent of guilds banded together, where buildings can be razzed and whole villages wiped out.

full FFA pvp - But should have dire consequences if one goes down that path.

Crafting - 1 craft only, but able to gather all resources. Lumber must be turned into planks/sheets etc by woodcrafters (who can make wooden shields, bows, staves and other stuff), blacksmiths make armours, nails, sheets etc. Other crafts also. Main thing is that the craft should be user interacted not gather have in inventory click make 99 and then leave to watch TV or something else.

Dungeons, castes, towers, caves and mines as some of the places to hunt through.

Torch's need to be carried (or certain magic users can cast a light spell) which will uncover a bit in dungeons and caves etc, you carnt see whats in front all the time like you can thesedays. wheres the eeriness and creepiness gone.

Many other things can be done, especially with todays systems and internet capabilities, yet were still 7-10yrs back.

I would gladly pay a monthly subscription for a game thats done right and well. Todays games are dull, boring and same old same old (just rehashed). A company comes up with something like that and i do think it will be a hit.

 

Point 1 - I believe this was done in a number of MMOs and failed as a model. Mainly do the issue of people being restricted with who they are allow to associate with. People do not like to be restricted.

Point 2 - This sounds like Darkfall, Age of Conan, Shadowbane, etc... again not a bad idea but the formula just doesn't seem to work. If you think small villages or towns should be availble to be raised or taken over, I suggest you try out GW2. They have a very good WvWvW system, as does DAoC.

Point 3 - FFA PvP is seen in almost all MMOs and none of them survive. FFA PvP is awesome for the hardcore PvP player. But the majority of players are not intersted in being Ganked or anything of the sort, whether or not there are major consequences.

Point 4 - Not sure what you mean by 1 Crafting, but as for gathering, that is exactly how it works in GW2 and other games. WoW is fairly unique in thier restriction of crafting.

Point 5 - This one is all over the place in MMO's to include WoW. Shoot all of EQ's dungeons were "open" explorable areas (meaning they were not instanced to a party of players).

Point 6 - EQ, DAoC, and many other games incorporate this feature. Sadly it is not a popular demand or we would see it all over the place.

I would say that all of the things you are looking for have been done and most of them are not popular. A successful game is not about what we think would be cool to have. It is what the majority of the player base can agree that is cool.

If I could choose to add a feature to a game it would be truly dynamic culture and world. A place where the eco-system can be effected by the players. For example; a group of players destroy a camp of raging goblins. The came is actually destroyed and no longer spawns there. However, that effects another group which allows them to build up and army and attack on a near by village. This village then has to be protected by the players or be raised and removed from the game, unless it is rebuilt by the players.

The closest thing I have seen to a dynamic world is Rift, but UO allowed for the destruction of an entire area, where Rift does not.

We do have the server tech and ability to make a dynamic and ever changing world, to include NPC, not just what the players do. But this tech and activity takes a lot of money and time just to make sure it doesn't get out of hand.

So far the MMO industry has taken large leaps in player run and dynamic economies. Now we need to apply those concepts to the rest of the MMO world.

My only issue with this review, is that there is miss information on basic things. For example, you can display ALL 4 bars of skills. If that simple fact was missed how could Bill Murphy or any one at MMORPG agree that this was a good review? What else was missed by the reviewer? That was a simple basic thing. I'll admit it was not obvious, but it seems like the reviews are getting shottier here at MMORPG.

I'd say next time, take real time out of your busy schedule and take a real look at the game. People rely on what information you give in reviews, they depend on you on whether or not to try a game. As a gaming news site, we gamers expect accurate reporting. Don't mind if they are bias, but at least be accurate.

I don't know if this has been mentioned above. But have you guys thought about making RPGguru.com or something similar, like you have with FPS and RTS. I honestly love traditional RPGs and co-op rpgs. The problem is no there are no good news sites out there catered to those type of games. I've missed a good 5 years of RPG games because I had no idea they were there. Just a thought. 

D3 added, then Torchlight 2? Also, Torchlight MMORPG will be in the works if not already.

Originally posted by AKASlaphappy

Originally posted by sigreth

 

Do you have any idea how much it costs to support online servers, millions of people connecting to them, and all the other requirements to run things like battle.net? They just don't put out enough expantions to cover that. D2 has been costing Blizzard money over the years. It is fair to allow D3 to actually make them money. Also, the more money they make the more content they can put out for the game.

 

Do not play that song and dance for me, I work in the IT industry I know servers and bandwidth are nowhere near as expensive as you are making them out to be. Plus as a business owner I know that you can write that expense off at the end of the year on your taxes as a business expense. So go play your small violin for someone without any knowledge of what you are talking about, maybe they will listen to you.

 

As for the more money they make the more content they will put out, you only wish it worked that way. Blizzard makes one thousands times more off of WoW than any other MMO company, does that mean WoW has one thousands times more content updates. If you actually believe that you are fool, the more profits they make as a publicly traded company the more money is sent out as dividends to shareholders and bonuses to board of directors. Yes that means they have more money for development then an indie developer, but if you really think they put all that money back into development then you really have no clue how business works.

 

Ya wanna know whats funny about your statements? It obvious you arn't in the IT buisness and nor do you own your own company. Otherwise you wouldn't be spouting off at the mouth like you know what your talking about when you don't. I am in the IT buisness have been for over 10 years. You seem to think that servers and the IT portion are the only thing Blizzard has to pay for. Anyone who understand buisness understand there is more to it then just make money and go. Of course not all the money goes back into the company. People have to get paid. But if they make no money then they can't make more content. Also, you really think that most of the money Blizzard makes off of WoW doesn't go back into the company? I know for a fact how much it takes to make a game. You obviously don't. Which is why you think Blizzard should just give and give. It's a case of poor man hates the rich because he couldn't make the money himself and the rich won't give what they have earned to the poor man. Learn how the world works, if you want something earn it or steal it, because no one is going to just give it to you.

Originally posted by AKASlaphappy

Originally posted by sigreth

The video game industry is about making money just like everyone else. I say more power to Blizzard for having a way to support their game without the need of subscriptions.

But the video game industry use to make money by producing content that gamers thought was worth buying. Now with gamer support digital e-bays they can just sit on their hands and make money hand over first. I can see what that is such a great deal for consumers everywhere!

 

Do you have any idea how much it costs to support online servers, millions of people connecting to them, and all the other requirements to run things like battle.net? They just don't put out enough expantions to cover that. D2 has been costing Blizzard money over the years. It is fair to allow D3 to actually make them money. Also, the more money they make the more content they can put out for the game.

Originally posted by Major69er1

What will stop Blizzard from creating items and putting them for sale for real monies that are greater then the ones you find? This game introduces so many dishonest ways of cheating people.I dont understand how real gamers codone such actions.

 

Well, nothing is stopping Blizzard from doing that other then they said they wouldn't. Which should be more then good enough for anyone. But realistically they have every right to do that. It's their time and money, if they want to sell items like that then it's up to them. We dont have to buy them, lol. Also, what makes you think we have the right as real gamers to codone any actions Blizzard makes? If we don't like what they are doing then we don't buy the game. However, 90% of the people on  this website will get D3 and play it and enjoy it. It is rediculous to assume as players we have the right to tell a company how to make their games. We can tell them what we want and don't want and what we like and don't like. But we have no right to tell them we don't condone their actions. Blizzard isn't some evil company out to take over the world and destroy everything.  lol

First off, no one will be able to camp and farm spots so you can't go there. D3 is not an MMO. Its an online game where you have instances of the game with a few people, and you choose them.

Second, there will be two auction houses. A real world money one and an in-game currency one. Why would you use the second one? Well, the real world money one will require real world money just like EBay and other auctions. Creigs List idea mentioned above is probably the only way around spending money to make money with an auction house.

Finally, why care so much about the auction houses? You don't have to use them. As another posted about FUNCOM. It seems you people complain just to complain, especially about Blizzard. Why fault anyone for wanting to make money off of something they built? No one around here complains about the farmers price on eggs or milk. The video game industry is about making money just like everyone else. I say more power to Blizzard for having a way to support their game without the need of subscriptions.

Ok my guys confirmed they got keys. Im out and good luck peeps. See yall in game on the 15th.

resent those PMs check again guys.

Originally posted by jasonxt4c

yeh i dont think he actually sent a PM cause i dont have any messages either

I did send them I checked my messages and it says they were send... I will try again.

Originally posted by jasonxt4c

Originally posted by sigreth

 

jasonxt4c

DEATHRAMENT

 

 Both got beta keys

did you pm me it? i dont have any messages

I did PM you

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FYI for betakey give away

jasonxt4c

DEATHRAMENT

 Both got beta keys

I just got a beta key through Facebook, sending keys to the top two on list :) Yall rock keep up the chain.

Add me to list please

Originally posted by mackdawg19

Originally posted by Xiro

Originally posted by Kenaoshi

while i liked the torchlight single player (playing till today) and probally gonna check the mmo, but come on Runic, you dont have all the wits to be playing the top cherry, your not a Bioware or ArenaNet to be playing "mistery guitar guy", know your place plz  ¬¬

They're place? Is much higher than you can comprehend. 

And PLEASE people do your research. This is the original diablo I and diablo II team. 

'case you didn't know before diablo III really even got on its way, half the team left, and made their own company. Bet you can't guess what they named themselves? 

No omg! Also.. whats that.. flagship is on the staff also? wasnt.. that also.. part of.. omg thats like almost the rest of the original diablo creators too! holy crap! 

not to mention all the other games these guys, and the other team members have under their bet... ;) know your crap before you stalk talkin crap ^.^ 

Your half right and wrong. The team that left Blizzard was Blizzard North, only a few of it's members joined in when Flagship started up. When they started they were making Hellgate and had a side team that was working on thier second game, a top down style game named Mythos. When the company went sour and broke off, Mythos was picked up by some Asian developer. The guys who ran that studio decided to start up this company and signed with PWE or Perfect World Entertainment to help publish and develop this game and the MMO counterpart. So if your folowing that, then not all if any of the Blizzard North team is working on this game. I think the only major player was Roper and he works on Star Trek and CO now. The real meat of Blizzard North resides in Arenanet hence the resembelence in names which made GW1 and soon to be released GW2. So, maybe someone else should do there homework eh?

 

Actually your wrong mackdawg19. ArenaNet was created by the guys who did Warcraft and vanilla WoW (I believe 1 or 2 people from the Diablo team joined but minor individuals), and Flagship was half the guys who did Diablo and Diablo 2 (and concepts for D3). Flagship created Hellgate: London yes, but Mythos was not a side project game. It was a server side testing platform they built to test Hellgate's multiplayer. Mythos came into concept after Hellgate failed to capture audiences, which used all the Hellgate coding. Flagship then went under because of costs from Hellgate. They then sold Hellgate and Mythos IPs to a Korean company (Unbi or something like that) and started up Runic Games which developed and published Torchlight independently from PWE. Once that sold, they partnered up with PWE for publishing and micro-transaction purposes only. PWE has nothing to do with the development phase. In fact PWE in known for letting the developers do their thing while supporting from a publisher role which is what they are good at.