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Originally posted by Narshe

Round 6: Zealot VS Archmage

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Whichever one got bored first and quit. Seriously neither of these would kill the other if either had half a brain.

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Originally posted by Random_mage
Wanted to make sure you know..
 
PVP in WOW IS!!!!!!!!! RVR.
 
People seem to think there is a difference between the PvP in WoW and the PvP in WAR.   Players are fighting a different realm in BOTH instances.

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Sorry sir but this is incorrect.

Player versus Player is not Realm versus Realm. Sure, wow has PVP, everyone kills each other, never working together except maybe in AV which is more PVE than PVP... but otherwise it's never to defend a keep, tower or position. The last time I saw any "world pvp" in WoW was when BC released and folks were trying to do the quests in Hellfire. Now-a-days you'll never see more than a handful of people bothering in an entire day.

There is a HUGE difference in WoW PVP and Warhammer RVR.

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Originally posted by markyturnip
... or is it simply because beta players tend to be more experienced and more inclined to like destruction and hate elves?
From what I see now, it's almost a total inverse of WoW: to be on the underdog but disciplined team, and to be a relatively lesser played class on that team, go high elf.
It seems bizarre, but I can see why that might be true. But do you think this will change once the game is released commercially?
Thanks!

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Not sure what world you're in but on the server I've played the balance of players has been pretty even.

I've played the 3 order races and I've not noticed a lack of any race or class being played.

I think you're more basing this on previous polls. I seriously doubt those polls will compare in anyway to what happens on retail. As many people have said people said the same thing during WoW beta and look what happened there.

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Originally posted by GreenChaos
But it just has to suck. 
Because every new MMO sucks
Non of them are as polished as WoW.
Or have the depth of WoW.
Or are as big as WoW.
It's not a sandbox.
Why pvp if there is no penalty.
It looks like crap.
WHAT ABOUT END GAME.
Instancing.
Sandbox
polished
DEPTH
OK I got it.  I bet it's lacking in content.
 
 

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Sandbox? um, WoW is not anything remotely sandboxy so why are you comparing it to WoW and then saying sandbox?

WoW is shallow. WoW's engine is of lower quality than Warhammer's. End game is RVR.

Lol, depth... sandbox. Sorry funny.

Apothecary isn't so bad. It makes some useful buffs if you want them. I tend to make healing pots for my tank friend. Not sure how useful it is at higher levels.

I will say that cultivating absolutely is terrible. To make 4 plants at level 1 you will spend 12 minutes. 3 minutes per plant and at each minute apply water/soil/fertilizer per plant at the appropriate time during the growth process.

They really need to change it bigtime. Just allow me to apply soil/water/seed in one batch and hit make. Unless cultivation changes I say skip it for sure unless you got hours of time to waste.

Scavenging and butchering much better. You just use it on a corpse and you're done. 2 seconds.

nate, so wrong.

Yes, you can do cast sequence macros. All it does is cast a sequence of spells in a order you wrote them in each time you mash the button.

Healers don't use macros like that. They use targeting macros for mouse over or the like for sure but that's about it.

The macro system is WoW is not a single button masher. It allows you to do some fancy targeting (good thing since wow targeting blows if you're a healer) and cast a sequence of abilities without taking up 5 button slots.

However, none of this matters in Warhammer since the macro system just allows you to issue the existing slash commands and far as I know there is no /cast or /use.

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Originally posted by FreddyNoNose

I don't know any vets who think forums are great.

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Well, you do now.

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Originally posted by PureChaos

Because no company is gonna waste money to moderate a hopeless call.
A Fan forum is usually better due to the moderation, WHA usually keeps things prty clean, killing extra post, ect.
But as others said, take a look at other official forums, it comes down to moderation and fan forums will usually do it more because well it is their forums and its more of a passion then a job ect.

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This is the bit that doesn't make any sense at ALL. People say a company (a organized business that pays people to do a job) can't moderate a forum effectively yet a FAN site (i.e. not a organized business that gets paid for a job) can?

See a problem there?

I've been playing MMOs since UO and I won't bother visiting fan forums over official forums. Even with the mess the WoW forums are they are better than fan sites.

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Originally posted by thanoskkk

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Originally posted by lekiz

Have a look at the WoW forums, that is enough explanation as to why they 'will not' have forums of any sort.

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Dont forget AoC, every guy that decides to quit conan plays a new mmorpg, flaming in the official forums. They may have right in their accusations but the result is that most of us who still play the game dont even bother to visit official forums anymore...
 No forums for war

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And yet you somehow think a non-official forum will be any better? Not only do you have to deal with paying customers but every Tom, Dick and Harry that isn't.

Seriously what lunatic spread this lie that people are buying into that a fan forum is better than official.

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Originally posted by lekiz
Have a look at the WoW forums, that is enough explanation as to why they 'will not' have forums of any sort.

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WoW, lets just say the same thing only like this.

Just look at what crap Vanguard is, forget Warhammer!

Makes as much sense.

WoW isn't the only game with forums and just because they are not moderated doesn't mean it can't be done.

Why people seem to think some random fan site is any better than official forums is beyond logic or reason.

Herald is great, but it doesn't link to all the posts the devs and folk make that are just as important.

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Originally posted by DarkDavis

I'm sorry, SundersGhost, but this post was for US not YOU. So kindly remember that when I was writing this post it was for US not YOU. So if YOU don't agree with it, YOU don't have to comment on it, YOU can let US discuss it. YOU should go to another thread to comment where people are writing posts for YOU. Thanks.

See how pretentious and annoying that is?

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Let me say just this one thing, you don't speak for me and thus "US" in your post.

Thanks.

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Originally posted by Distaste

I really hope they delay to get the 4 old classes or 4 new classes in.

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Here is a thought, don't buy the game till the delayed classes and cities are in.

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Originally posted by Zorndorf
Changing a complete design .... 3 months before launch doesn't look professional ....

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What you should do is just not buy the game till it has all 6 cities and the 4 delayed classes to prove your point.

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Originally posted by rasisan
Its sad to see a game this early cutting content that it will need.

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Yeah, god it really destroyed Blizzard when they cut hero classes and siege warfare and world pvp.

Not sure why all the angst over the balance of realms issue. DAoC did well balancing the populations of realms.

Why speculate about any system you have no control over and an issue that might not even be an issue thanks to Mythic's previous experience.

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Originally posted by altairzq
Honesty is not an excuse for bad planning. If they are having these problems now so close to open beta, it's very bad news.
And Mark Jacobs is an arrogant person.

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Problems? They are delaying content. How is that a problem. WoW delayed hero classes and siege warfare ... 4+ years and when they add it they are just adding a single hero class and hopefully siege warfare. God forbid Warhammer does half as well as WoW.

Want to talk bad planning, WoW... 2 years for an expansion, seriously? Again look how it's affected WoW... uh 10 million subscribers... damn must be terrible.

It's better to have working and fun content than AoCish content. If you don't agree then well you're in the minority there.

If it bothers you so much then just wait till the 4 classes and cities exist and create your own "delay".

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Originally posted by Trikke
I pre-ordered my new mazda but when it came in the mail it was missing the brakes and engine thats ok though, couse no new car ever comes 100% perfect .
 
 
 
 

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Only you ignored the fact they told you well in advance it was missing and you could have canceled said pre-order.

You people are just looking for something to moan about. You haven't received ANYTHING. The game isn't out and is still being developed. They TOLD you the changes they were making and if you're not happy cancel.

How frigging simple is that? Obviously not simple enough for you people that can't grasp the concept you actually haven't even PAID for the game yet and you know what is being delayed/removed!

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Originally posted by Dlore
Do I get my Bonus codes right when I pre-order? Because I'm cancelling my order from GS and I want my bonus codes right when I pre-order from them? Or do I have to wait like an hour or something

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Not sure why you wouldn't get the email from Gamestop. Every person I know ordered from there and everyone of them got an email containing all 3 codes.

Now if you went to a store front that's another matter but EBgames.com or GameStop.com work exactly like I explained.

If you actually want the game at your house on time I would never order from Amazon.com.

I just want a fun game to play. Don't care a huge amount when it comes out though sooner would give me something to do!

Almost all the people I've played with in WoW are going to Warhammer when it comes out regardless of WoLK. If Wolk had made it before Warhammer that would be the only time we'd mess with it. We want something new and with some world PVP!

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Originally posted by altairzq
Just imagine one guy goes to buy the CE edition. And he tells Mythic, "see, I'm being honest with you, I can't pay you the 80 euros it costs, because I don't have that money right now. But I will pay you 40 euros now, so you have the money, and at a later date, I will pay you the remaning 40 euros".
What would Mythics reaction be? Probably like most people here.. "This is great, thank you for being so honest with us! We appreciat that so much, now we know we can trust you. This is very good decision. Way to go guy. Less is more!". Yes I think that would be the reaction
 
 
 
edit: wrote "Mythic" instead of "guy"

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If the cut classes/CCs bother you so much just cancel your pre-order. It's very simple.

You aren't getting ripped off, just don't pay for it. If Mythic hadn't mentioned their plans to begin with you'd not even know about it. They planned to have 6 CC's, it didn't happen that way. So what you got 2 and 4 more coming later.

This is a big reason a lot of companies are loath to release ANY information about a game in development. You freaks take is as gospel.