All Posts by Suvroc

Originally posted by Mathos

 looking around the planets was the bomb... 

Exactly!

And you'll likely get many more hours of entertainment from that then an instance IMO.

Originally posted by efefia

Originally posted by Gutboy

Wow another cookie cutter answer from a unhappy person.

These instances are NOT the same thing different skin as you would lead people to think.

 

I think the one thing everyone can agree on with regards to Hoth is that it's been asked for as an addition from very early on in the games life, right up and through the NGE. Pre-cu vets, CU vets, NGE'ers have all asked for Hoth and they've all asked for it to be the first fully functional PvP battleground. Now whether it turns out to be the best pve experience in the history of mmo gaming (yeah I know, the thought gave me a giggle too) or not the point is the fanbase, the paying customers through 3 different iterations of this game have all asked for the same thing and SOE yet again have proved that they either don't listen or don't care what their paying customers want..........yet again, and despite claiming to have learned lessons from past mistakes.

I agree.

But not just because of a PvP battleground, but rather for the new areas of exploration. If I remember correctly the results I've seen from some Bartle tests (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartle_Test) showed that exploration was the number one player attribute. Having an instanced area to explore might be ok for a little while, but I think having an entirely new world to explore would be much more conducive to any MMO community - particularily SWG.

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by Suvroc

 

I think you may be misunderstanding me Summitus.

I'm not looking at it in terms of bringing back vets. I'm looking at it in terms of bleeding money from the current SWG subscribers.

 

No offence but welcome to capitalism?

Hey, I have no problem with that - as long as this game mechanic was apart of the product I bought.

Originally posted by summitus

Originally posted by Suvroc

Here's the thing....

If this CCG thing is successful what happens when sales begin to drop or interest begins to wan? Do they introduce more "loot" cards to help increase sales? Will these new cards be for something a little better - perhaps a piece of stated clothing or armor?

What happens when that round of sales begins to drop? More "loot" cards? Does anyone else see the slippery slope this creates?

I'm not saying this will be the case - but the potential is certainly there. And as so many people like to point out SoE is a business out to make profit. What better way to make profit then to charge for a monthly sub AND introduce "cool new loot" through a collector card game.

 

Legends of Norrath seems to have been a great success, and has certainly made EQ more interesting. Getting a Card Drop in the game is quite addictive I would think.

I play LON quite alot and although its a great game I hav'nt really felt the urge to log into EQ more than I usually would. I dont know if will have any effect on SWG in its current state but I'm sure that alot of people will play it as a game in its own right.

I dont think it will have any effect on SWG Vets  and certainly wont bring any of them back to the game ( I think )

I think you may be misunderstanding me Summitus.

I'm not looking at it in terms of bringing back vets. I'm looking at it in terms of bleeding money from the current SWG subscribers.

Here's the thing....

If this CCG thing is successful what happens when sales begin to drop or interest begins to wan? Do they introduce more "loot" cards to help increase sales? Will these new cards be for something a little better - perhaps a piece of stated clothing or armor?

What happens when that round of sales begins to drop? More "loot" cards? Does anyone else see the slippery slope this creates?

I'm not saying this will be the case - but the potential is certainly there. And as so many people like to point out SoE is a business out to make profit. What better way to make profit then to charge for a monthly sub AND introduce "cool new loot" through a collector card game.

IMO this whole things stinks of bad marketting.

It seems to me that having a game based on ANH would be appealing to gamers who grew up with the original trilogy (i.e. people who are likely in the range of 26-40 years old).

Is a CCG something that appeals to this age range? I would think it's something that appeals to a much younger audience - perhaps around the 12-13 year olds.

Originally posted by ColonelCade

I'm probably in the minority when I think that Jedi should have never been included in the game, given the time frame we were supposed to be in.  But then the time-line got perverted with prequel era stuff, which I guess you could argue were collectors items/relics by this time in the Star Wars time-line.  It started feeling like I was more in the prequel era than in the original trilogy. 

I don't know if you're in the minority as well, but I totally agree with you on all of this.

Originally posted by Obraik

There was a bit of an outcry when it was found out that EQ/EQ2's vet trial was going on until the end of July while SWG's ended a month earlier.  It's possible they gave into that and have extended the SWG trial to match with the EQ one.

I don't think so Obraik.

My trial ended on June 9th (about 8 days longer then I was supposed to have), and I haven't been able to log in under that account.

I had 2 accounts back in the old days and both seem to be on the same cycle of vet trials. My friends account seems to be on a different cycle. His account wasn't activated for a vet trial at the same time mine was but his is now.

So I guess the vet trials are staggered for whatever reason.

BTW my EQ2 account is currently on another vet trial as well, which would make it 4 months (or 1/4 of a year) for free.

Originally posted by blondeh

A couple of my friends logged in the other day. Their accounts were active (re accuring bill), but they checked their credit card statements and no money had actually been billed. Wierd shizzle.

Nah, it's not really weird. It's just the last round of vet trials.

It happens very frequently. I get nearly 1/4 of the year to play for free just because I don't subscribe anymore   : )

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by swgtester1

you know what? there shouldn't even be an E3. i feel you don't need it not only that E3 over hypes games that turn out to be bad.

E3 hyped age of conan and it's one of the worst mmos to date. E3 hyped other games and has now become a microsoft and nintendo lovefest. and microsoft is known for ripping people off and nintendo can only make systems where you play bowling with a remote.

you want to find out about a game? read the forums and see what other people have to say you'll see the truth.

and the truth is swg isn't there as it is a dead game. the player base is about 4k players and a joke of the mmo world. and $OE knows you show off good games at E3

not games that at one time where the greatest game ever made turned into a shell of it's former self.

Sweet, now we're down to 4K! Which one of you guys is going to say 3K next?

Ever notice how the conversation is not about how many subs SWG has, but rather how few?

Right now, at 9:30PM eastern time July 1st there is 1 heavy server, 5 medium servers, 3 light servers and 16 very light servers.

Making a few educated assumptions you can figure out an approximation of how many people are on at this moment. If there are 6 levels to a server population (very light, light, medium, heavy, very heavy, extremely heavy, and finally full), and given a reasonable number for the maximum number of players on a full server it would make sense that the server takes that maximum number and divides it by 6 to determine it current status.

For example if a max server population is 2100 then you can assume that a very light server ranges from 0-350, light from 351-700, medium from 701 - 1050, heavey from 1051 - 1400, very heavy from 1401 - 1750, extremely heavy from 1751 - 2100.

With these assumptions you can then calculate that currently there is a maximum of 14,350 accounts logged in a this time.

Hardly an outstanding number for a Star Wars MMO, particularily with a 5 year anniversary event and a free veteran trial going on at the same time.

*edit*

Given the same numbers the minimum accounts logged in at this moment would be 5606.

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by AveBethos

ummax and these other people who are trying this little advertising campaign on behalf of SOE/LA are destroying a bit of MMO gaming for everyone when they do these things...

They are rewarding companies who treat their players unethically.  It's Stockholm Syndrome at the worst.  Why would ANY company hesitate to act the way SOE/LA did when people will go out of their way to do advertising for them?????

Anyone who financially supports SWG today is slapping the face of everyone who once got burned by most likely illegal and most certainly unethical business behavior.  I don't care it is has been 100 years since the NGE was secretly coded and then pushed on the world, corrupt business is corrupt business.  SOE used misrepresented subscription money to code and develop a new game while advertising and flat out lying about the existing one. 

ummax and the OP should be very proud of supporting a company that participates in this, without apology atonement.

I don't think they're destroying MMO gaming at all, quite the opposite.  You're looking into the situation far too far.

The point of MMO games is to get together with other people, develop a community and have fun.  By the sounds of the OP, this is exactly what they're doing.  It's what MMO game discussions should be about.

If MMO gaming isn't being destroyed it's because of people taking a stand against things like this.

If the NGE brought in 1 million new subs that would have sent a clear message to the entire industry that doing things like this pays off.

I have no doubt that the only regret SoE has about this is that it wasn't successful.  I also believe that given a chance, particularily with a very high probability of success, they will do it again.

Originally posted by ummax

Originally posted by Suvroc

Originally posted by ummax

 

why then in the life I have described which is all about compromise whether you choose to actually compromise or not is the expense of a 15 dollar subscription fee so danged important to a small community of veterans who no longer play the game because they now hate it.  

 

If your credit card was double billed for a months sub would you "compromise" by letting it go?

Or would you do something to remedy that issue?

 

this doens't make sense  so I dont understand

If my credit card is double billed I would call about the mistake BECAUSE its a mistake and get it fixed but its still a choice if that is what your getting at but an obvious one that one makes when a mistake is made.  If the next statement is that your mad at sony cause they double billed you once then okay but does it make sense to scream it from the rooftops for 3 years?

I just found it interesting that you would imply that a $15 sub fee is "so danged important" to vets but you'll make an effort to retrieve $15 if it was taken from you.

But that is completely unrelated to this conversation.

You make some interesting points(albeit a little confusing in it's delivery). But the thing that I'd like to point out from all of this is that compromise, on the part of gamers, is apathy - and apathy is destroying this industry for everyone who wants more out of their online experiences.

Some things we have to make compromises on as it affects our lives in profound ways. As so many have pointed out this is just a game - and not compromising on this shouldn't have a profound affect on our lives.

Rather it should have a profound affect on the industry.

Originally posted by ummax

 

why then in the life I have described which is all about compromise whether you choose to actually compromise or not is the expense of a 15 dollar subscription fee so danged important to a small community of veterans who no longer play the game because they now hate it.  

If your credit card was double billed for a months sub would you "compromise" by letting it go?

Or would you do something to remedy that issue?

It's interesting Unmax that you would equate making compromises in real life and how those compromises relate to this game when so many others here have said "it's just a game - get over it" or "get a life".

But still, you are right in that life is about compromises. But wouldn't it also be true that it's also apart of life to minimize those compromises?

Some of the things you mention as compromises in life are things well beyond your control - you cannot control the weather, you cannot control how others may vote.

A subscription to a game is something totally within your control. You have the power to make that choice.

I do understand where you guys are coming from. I can appreciate your perspective.

But I feel that this is a kind of exploitation. You are denied what you bought, and in fact what you really want, and all the while they reap the profits of a lesser experience simply because it offers a taste of what you initially had in a supierior product.

I just cannot understand why people would want to make compromises to their online experiences - even when they're paying for it.

Originally posted by hosal

Originally posted by Suvroc

Originally posted by blondeh

I resubbed the other day. My toon is on Eclipse. Althlough the population is doing bad im having fun.

Dont confuse me for a fanboi tho. I was as heart broken as the next guy/girl when the CU and NGE hit. I ranted and raved on the boards. I protested...... damn i wanted to fly to the states and kick some ass. But to be honest there is nothing on the market that fills the hole SWg left. The only thing that comes close is.... thats right NGE SWG.

I'm gonna put my flame suit on and say...apart from the benny hill style combat and lack of 36 proffesions the game isnt actually that bad. The only thing I cant do now is grind out the proffesions that are no longer there. I do miss the old days but aint nothing gonna bring them back not even the bird.

 

I don't want to sound like I'm flaming anyone but by your own admission you'd rather be subbing to a game that they've chosen to deny you.

Instead you've accepted a lesser quality product because it's kind of filling a void left when they took away your game.

As a consumer do you not think you deserve better?

I think he means alot of mmo's on the market don't give him the type of satisfaction that swg does.  I feel the same way.

I didn't say otherwise....

I said that by his own admission SWG now is a lesser product of what it once was.

Originally posted by dreamspeaker

 

nah...you are 100% wrong.  the entertainers have been bitching about this for 4 1/2 years and still there are afk entertainers.  not considered breaking any rules.  never has been.  no dark jedi took out whole cantinas except for player events.  which were amusing but that's beside the point. 

Because it was over-looked by moderators doesn't mean it was legal. 

If a spawn was camped by an AFK farmer then it was certainly delt with when reported. If the same rule wasn't enforced with entertainers then that was the fault of the moderators not enforcing a rule.

Doing nothing about a rule being broken is different then making it legal.

Originally posted by blondeh

I resubbed the other day. My toon is on Eclipse. Althlough the population is doing bad im having fun.

Dont confuse me for a fanboi tho. I was as heart broken as the next guy/girl when the CU and NGE hit. I ranted and raved on the boards. I protested...... damn i wanted to fly to the states and kick some ass. But to be honest there is nothing on the market that fills the hole SWg left. The only thing that comes close is.... thats right NGE SWG.

I'm gonna put my flame suit on and say...apart from the benny hill style combat and lack of 36 proffesions the game isnt actually that bad. The only thing I cant do now is grind out the proffesions that are no longer there. I do miss the old days but aint nothing gonna bring them back not even the bird.

I don't want to sound like I'm flaming anyone but by your own admission you'd rather be subbing to a game that they've chosen to deny you.

Instead you've accepted a lesser quality product because it's kind of filling a void left when they took away your game.

As a consumer do you not think you deserve better?

Originally posted by Esquire1980

Kobie, it doesn't really matter if you agree with  the "former BH" or not.  All that really does matter, is he has found the gamebreaking CHANGE (for him) and canceled.

You, as a current subscriber get 1 less person to kill in PVP, 1 less person to group with  for PVE, SOE gets 1 less 15.00 p/month, Customer Service gets a little less $ every month and cuts the small staff they have, SOE Austin has a little less $ every month and cuts the amount of content or CHANGES (not really a bad thing here) they can add,  and there is 1 more unsubed, disgruntled vet out there.

Sooner or later they CHANGE the game on everyone.  Sooner or later one of these CHANGES will be gamebreaking.

It will even happen to you.

lol I've said it before - eventually everyone becomes disgruntled!  : )

Now that's kind of cool.

I can appreciate people trying to make the best of what they've got. But that's really what it is isn't it - making the best of what you've got? It's not 57 new accounts opened. It's likely 57 new toons from existing accounts or vet trials.

Still, I applaud the effort made.