Originally posted by Cabe2323

I can't watch those two uneditted versions.   Can someone tell me if they start any earlier?  For instance were the kids just filming themselves throughout the day and then the cop comes up to them?  Or does it once again start with the Cop arresting one of the kids?  If the kids were just out filming themselves skateboarding and then caught what the cop did be happenstance then I do think the cop over reacted.  But if once again the video doesn't show what really happened before the Cop arrived I think the video is an example of creative editting.  

 

I highly doubt the cop acted that way to some kids just because he doesn't like skateboarding.  I find it a lot more likely that the kids did something inflamatory to the Police officer first.

You're entirely correct in the fact that ANYTHING could have happened before the camera got there.  But in the last part of the second video the cop goes around to each of the 3-4 kids and explains to them each why they're being arrested.  From memory, one gets 'skateboarding: prohibited'.  The kid who said to the cop in the beginning "I've got a picture of this" then runs away, gets 'fleeing and resisting arrest'.  Another kid gets 'battery and skateboarding', but we can't see for what reason although the cop alludes to his shin being hurt.  I think the kid that got battery is the kid who was in the double headlock with the girl (she got away, I think).  While he's telling them what they're arrested for, he's calling into the station to put other cars in the area to arrest the kids that got away. 

At no point did he make mention of the first kid in handcuffs in the video having assaulting him or anyone else.  In fact, it seems as if that kid is simply being arrested for 'skateboarding: prohibited'. 

If by effective you mean "I can't browse the site while waiting for a group to form because of the ingame lag it causes when I tab in and out", then sure. 

The ad did it's job... it got the name in my head.  But I promise to never play the game because of how annoying the ad is.  So it really didn't work all that well.  Just my 2 coppers. 

Originally posted by Cabe2323

Originally posted by Hawkbit

Originally posted by Cabe2323

Originally posted by malak118

Originally posted by Cabe2323

Cops are just people too.  I know that half of the posters here wouldn't put up with someone mouthing off to them or showing contempt towards them.  So don't get all preachy on the cop because of the "poor kids".  I have seen some of the posters here go off for a lot less.  I am sure if the video had started at the beginning we would of seen what caused the problem and I am postive that it was caused by the skaters.  Their attitude they showed in the video especially at the end when they say Happy skateboarding day shows that they were out to do this.  So the blame needs to be placed on the skaters where it belongs.  It is pretty easy to show that the cop was being aggressive at that point, but it is possible that the kids were riding the skateboards and knocking people over etc way before the video starts.  Heck those kids could of been mouthing off to the cop swearing at him, calling him names, and maybe even assaulting the cop for all you know. 

Cops may be people too but they dont get to whip the shit out of people for calling them names sorry. I agree the kids were up to no good but there is an expected level of behavior from our cities finest. cops deal with scum bags all the time it comes with the territory. The line between bum and honorable officer is demonstrated by action and control. Its too bad that most often we get the bums over the men.

You don't know that is what happened.  For all we know the cop asked them to stop skateboarding there and they threw a punch at him.  Or spit on him which in most states constitutes assault. 

There's links up at youtube to the uncut videos - in 2 parts.  We still don't see what instigated the choking, but at the end of the second video the cop tells each kid individually what they're being arrested for.  At no time does he say anything regarding assault.  Honestly, I'll bet the cop just got pissed because the kids were skating, thought he'd make an example of one kid and wound up going waaay overboard. 

How do we know the videos are uncut?  I am sorry but I don't trust video evidence at all when it comes to circumstances like this.  Too often the videos are just like the news media.  They only tell the side of the story that they want you to know. 

Here:

 www.youtube.com/watch-  edited version shown above 4.25

www.youtube.com/watch -  uncut pt 1 2.35

 www.youtube.com/watch- uncut pt 2 4.23

Just to be clear - pt1 and pt2 there's no cuts between.  It's not really all that much more than what's in the edited video.

I'm not saying the kids were in the right on this one... they need to be cited if they broke a law.  But I strongly doubt that arrests are generally issued for misdemeanors, and I can only assume skateboarding in prohibited areas is a misdemeanor.  The real issue here is that the cop was out of line.  If I ever saw a cop manhandling my daughter like that over such a small offense, it would have become a felony on my part for sure. 

At no point did he "protect and serve".

Originally posted by Cabe2323

Originally posted by malak118

Originally posted by Cabe2323

Cops are just people too.  I know that half of the posters here wouldn't put up with someone mouthing off to them or showing contempt towards them.  So don't get all preachy on the cop because of the "poor kids".  I have seen some of the posters here go off for a lot less.  I am sure if the video had started at the beginning we would of seen what caused the problem and I am postive that it was caused by the skaters.  Their attitude they showed in the video especially at the end when they say Happy skateboarding day shows that they were out to do this.  So the blame needs to be placed on the skaters where it belongs.  It is pretty easy to show that the cop was being aggressive at that point, but it is possible that the kids were riding the skateboards and knocking people over etc way before the video starts.  Heck those kids could of been mouthing off to the cop swearing at him, calling him names, and maybe even assaulting the cop for all you know. 

Cops may be people too but they dont get to whip the shit out of people for calling them names sorry. I agree the kids were up to no good but there is an expected level of behavior from our cities finest. cops deal with scum bags all the time it comes with the territory. The line between bum and honorable officer is demonstrated by action and control. Its too bad that most often we get the bums over the men.

You don't know that is what happened.  For all we know the cop asked them to stop skateboarding there and they threw a punch at him.  Or spit on him which in most states constitutes assault. 

There's links up at youtube to the uncut videos - in 2 parts.  We still don't see what instigated the choking, but at the end of the second video the cop tells each kid individually what they're being arrested for.  At no time does he say anything regarding assault.  Honestly, I'll bet the cop just got pissed because the kids were skating, thought he'd make an example of one kid and wound up going waaay overboard. 

Originally posted by Urdig

No matter what your opinion of skateboarding.  Grabbing a child by the throat isn't allowed.  Especially when that child is laying on the ground already.

The cop didn't seem to interested in the other kids till the one that took the picture informed him that he had taken it. 

I went to Ohio State for my undergrad.  During my time there we had a group of people that were dedicated to videotaping arrests at the bars near campus because the kids were getting pummeled during the arrests.  At first the cops cleaned up their acts for the cameras, but after a few months one of them slipped up and the person they arrested got smacked around on tape.  After that wound up in the hands of local news and aired during primetime, the cops started becoming physical with the cameramen that were taping the arrests.  Cameras were smashed, tapes were ripped up.  This went on for a few weeks till someone started secretly videotaping those altercations as well.  Which, of course, wound up on TV and got a bunch of people in trouble. 

Regardless, the kids were in the wrong if they were skating in a prohibited zone.  The cop could have issued them a ticket and the whole thing would have been over.  Instead he likely just lost his job and opened the city up for lawsuits.  The girl and guy that he had in the double headlock did nothing wrong at all (prior to the 'resisting arrest'), yet he went after them once they got near the table.  Notice the other cop standing back, not helping his fellow officer.  That cop knew the situation was out of hand, it's clear. 

As has been said before in this thread... the kids likely needed punished.  But to what extreme?

I realize you guys need to pay the bills, but that ad is horrible.  It's nearly seizure inducing and it's causing my pages and games to slow down whenever I've got the site up in the background. 

Be more selective on those ads, please!