There's a very 'informative' post just made on the FOH boards.

EQ was the best, I agree. I loved raiding in that game, at least until I got sick of it :)

You needed skillz to play well...and it was a genuinely open game. Loot was tradeable, you could buff newbs, death had a price, you had to trade in person (a good thing) ...though mana regened too slow; I would never put up with that now.

Wow was like EQ Lite....much easier and less frustrating for the kiddies.

Originally posted by Volgore

Not saying that in generall AoC will be a bad game...many don't give alot on crafting and roleplay nowadays anymore, nudity and gore always finds it's audience and Guild Wars became a success with restricted environment plus zoning left and right, too.

So it won't be a flop, but it's far from being the major hit Funcom wants to sell to us.

 

I had to run at medium / low on my p4 3.4 ghz with a Geforce 6800; but I just bought a xeon e3110, overclocked it to 4 ghz with a geforce 8800GT and now I run at Very High settings and performance is amazing.

Like I said, stop giving people bad habits and tell them either spend more money for non-crap or wait and save up for it.  There is no sense in telling someone to buy crap, then replace crap in a year for more crap. 

The only think that seems relevant in your post is that IF you think you may want to go SLI or add a couple of more harddrives in the future, then you should get a bigger power supply (and a SLI capable motherboard). This I agree with.

But I have no intention of doing either, and the fact is that the vast majority of gamers have one hard drive and don't use SLI. Most people would upgrade by replacing the video card and/or cpu, and for that, the system I specced out  is easily upgradeable.

Originally posted by DAS1337

 

Originally posted by Praxus

You can easily build an awesome pc for under $1000 that will totally kick ass in AOC.

I just ordered this system from ncix.com:

 

27704	EVGA E-GEFORCE 8800GT 600MHZ 512MB 1.8GHZ DDR3 PCI-E Dual DVI-I HDTV Out Video Card	1	$219.99
27144	Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 3.5IN 500GB SATA2 8.5MS 7200RPM 32MB Cache NCQ Hard Drive	1	$97.99
17225	Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro LGA775 2500RPM 45CFM	1	$26.01
25472	Corsair CMPSU-450VX 450W ATX 12V 33A 24PIN ATX Power Supply Active PFC 120MM Fan	1	$69.98
21123	Antec Nine Hundred Mid Tower Gamer Case 900 ATX 9 Drive Bay No PS Top USB2.0 1394 Audio	1	$88.99
21095	Mushkin HP PC2-6400 HP2-6400 2GB 2X1GB DDR2-800 CL4-5-4-11 240PIN DIMM Dual Channel Memory Kit	1	$52.99
25369	Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L ATX LGA775 P35 1333FSB 1PCI-E16 3PCI-E1 3PCI SATA2 Sound GBLAN Motherboard	1	$89.99
28910	Intel Xeon E3110 Dual Core Processor LGA775 3.0GHZ Wolfdale 1333FSB 6MB Retail	1	$204.99

 

Total Cost - $850

Also you could cut 300 bucks from that system by substituting a cheaper CPU, cheaper case, and geforce 9600 instead, and it would still be a pretty nice setup.

Ya know.  I always wonder about people when they do this.  You have a 450W power supply?  What exactly are you going to do with that?  If you are lucky, you might (and I stress might) by able to power that all with that PSU.  Then what?  If you want a second GPU or more RAM or more drives, you have to get a new PSU again because you didn't spend the extra $50 or so to get a real PSU.  

 

 

Then there's this belief (Apparently) that people don't need an operating system, a monitor, a mouse, a keyboard, or a soundcard in order to actually run their computer.  If you're going to claim that you can built a budget PC, you have to include those things.  The only thing you might not absolutely need is a soundcard because most motherboards have at least some type of integrated sound included. 

 

Then, you say that you can drop $300 from the price by replacing $500 worth of equipment with $200 worth of equipment.  What exactly could I get with $200?  Hell, the 9600GT alone cost roughly $170.  That leaves me $30 to spend on a CPU and a case.  Unless you are suggesting that I build my own case out of cardboard and tape, and a the slowest p4 available for purchase, I don't think your price theory works out too well.

 

No offense man, but it really bothers me when amateurs give advice to new people wanting to learn how to build their own box.  They learn more bad habits learning from people like you than they learn by reading some self-help articles on the web.

 

So really, you have a $850 price tag.  Add $50 more for a real power supply.  Add $50 for a keyboard.  $40 for a mouse.  $250 for a 21-22" monitor. Now your price tag is roughly $1250.  This isn't even including if you want to upgrade to Vista.  Also, since you're including a CPU fan, let's add a couple extra $12 case fans just for the hell of it.  Why not?  You did.

 

Here's what it boils down to.  If you waited so long between buying PC's, it will cost you quite a bit to get a nice gaming computer.  However, after you buy it, just upgrade a few parts every year, you won't have to give an arm and a leg and you'll always have a relatively up to date computer to play all of the latest in cutting edge video games.  It's a hobby.  A hobby will typically come with a price tag, you just have to accept it.

Firstly, I'm laughing at you for calling me an amateur when I manage IT for a large corporation.

Secondly, that power supply has 33 amps on the 12 volt rail. Feel free to google how important that is compared to wattage. It will be enought to power the 8800 GT as well as provide enough extra juice for me to overlock that CPU to 4 ghz.

Thirdly, most people buying new PCs already have a keyboard, mouse, and monitor. Also I don't know where you're getting 40-50 bucks each for a mouse and keyboard - oem ones are less than $10.

I typically upgrade like this every three years. That is not a big investment!

You can easily build an awesome pc for under $1000 that will totally kick ass in AOC.

I just ordered this system from ncix.com:

Total Cost - $850

Also you could cut 300 bucks from that system by substituting a cheaper CPU, cheaper case, and geforce 9600 instead, and it would still be a pretty nice setup.

I haven't been following the game but just looked at some screenshots, and the graphics remind me of a time warp back to 2004.

I thought STO died when they announced they weren't doing starship interiors...in effect at least.

Whats funny is that the loudest objectors to pornography are usually the biggest supporters of gun ownership and the Iraq war.

The mindset the sex is worse than violence is sick. Really sick.

I'm not calling it vaporware (yet) but it reminds me of it with all the delays. They had lots of demos etc well over a year ago and things looked good. Then they delayed from spring to october. Now another 6 months?

They obviously have big problems. Hopefully they will resolve them.

lol @ fanbois

 Hey whats another 6 months delay, at least they're consistent. Maybe it will be out by 2009.

Wow you have to be kidding me! Delayed AGAIN??  After they announced it was delayed until october a few months ago, I stopped reading the forums. I come back today to see what up and now find they delayed another bloody six months ?!

I dunno...I was really looking forward to this game but these delays are fricking ridiculous. Huge delays like this smacks of vaporware.

i completely agree with the OP.  Having no FPV in this type of game is just plain bad design.

I predict this game will fail just like auto assault... another third person yawnfest.

I would play...if they paid me $50 an hour!

What moron designs a 'shooter' ish game with no first person mode!

Good review. I lasted about 5 minutes in beta. The controls suck; like the reviewer said - if its not broken, don't fix it.

What a crappy update. Everything is now BoE and equipment has fixed level requirements. A huge step away from EQ and towards EQ2 and WoW.  Basically abandoning interesting mechanics like optional BoE and Equipment Expertise that made Vanguard unique.

I'm pretty sure I'm done here. Been quite the ride since beta.  Heck what can I say, haven't really played in 2 months anways.

I think its only third person view. Totally retarded design for something shooter-like. Also the graphics in the screenshots look like three year old tech.

Wow I haven't looked in these forums for a month and what a change! 6 weeks ago everyone was saying LOTR was the second coming of mmorpgs, now all I see is 'bored this, bored that'.  Which funnily enough was what the few naysayers were saying in the first place!

What can ya do, I guess people have to find out for themselves. Personally I was bored after playing a few hours in beta.