Right, I mentioned the group issues with EQ2.

Call it negative or positive, Blizz made a very clever play for a common denominator game. Stop trying to interpret every comment of a successful (I didn't even say it was good!) feature of Wow and a fanboy comment.

I don't like WoW nor do I like EQ2 for the stated reasons. I am just saying that WoW's move seems quite calculated and EQ2's is just a failure; plain and simple. Once a certain game has below a range of players online most of the time, it becomes quite ineffective in the way it was intended and server population/subscription falls of fast. EQ2 has that problem. DAoC has that problem. VGSOH seems to have that problem. WoW doesn't have that problem until higher.

Originally posted by fauxhall

Originally posted by brihtwulf

Here are my many reasons why:

1. They both use gold as currency.

2. They both have trolls AND orcs.  WoW totally invented that!

3. You level-up in both games.

4. There are quests.

5. You fight things.

6. There are swords, bows, and other weapons that were totally made up for WoW!

7. You use the keyboard to control the game.

8. It's a whole internet game world, where you can do things...

9. Experience points?   Come on, they're in both games??!?!

10. Did I mention WoW invented elves???

LOL I knew no one could be that dumb lol my bad

No one? Absolutely NO ONE? ..... Are you sure about that?

LOL J/K

Originally posted by dargonight
I was thinking about playing this game(i am getting bored with WoW). Is this a game that will keep me addicted for a while? Also, how easy is it to level up and basicly, what is the game about?

Eve is about the antithesis of WoW. Just your mere impatience for some posters shows you won't like EVE (nothing against you). I know I didn't.

Want a traditional fantasy (not scifi) MMO'ers take on EVE? Slow, empty, cold, calculating, etc. It's much more akin to http://www.industryplayer.com than WoW. It's all about stats, planning, courier jobs, auction buy/sell type of stuff than the type of PvP and PvE you are used to. You never see your humanoid character. You aren't the actual ship but you can buy/fit those a little, etc. You are basically an oblong pod... LOL

Originally posted by varius
thats good :). Play whatever game you enjoy, it doesnt matter what people say. Myself, I was a bit skeptical of Vanguard at first, and I still am a bit, but i'm also very interested after hearing that you can be a Dilpomat without having to gring monsters. The whole "diplomats can effect the morale of a city" thing really piques my interest. I'll definitely try it when the Open Beta goes public.

Originally posted by skai
Depends.  Organized teams with voice chat still chew up pugs.  That will remain a fact for as long as there's pvp.  But now the ladder system is gone.  Instead of honor being a ranking systems and being able to buy gear based on your rankings, it is now a currency in itself.  You can go to a PvP vendor and he will sell the PVP rewards for X amounts of honor and Y amount of Bg tokens.  With the better stuff costing more honor and such.  Honor is calculated nightly and nowadays, a good week of casual pvp should net you rank 14 weapons.

Originally posted by Acelif
That had better be a joke

Originally posted by callmetoby
I've played a good amount of MMOs over the years, and I have always ended up going back to DAOC. Yes, it has its flaws, but I don't see where it  has progressively turned into a "steaming pile of dog doo". The level grind was horrible when DAOC came out...Mythic improved that. ToA brought in a lot of major mistakes...Mythic corrected that. They also have over 40 classes to keep balanced to the best of their ability which, for the most part, has gotten better over the years...not worse. Yes the community isn't what it used to be, but it has been going since 2001.

Another issue with this thread is that you slam Mythic for making bad decisions, yet in other threads you promote Blizzard. Come on, man. Yes, Blizzard did a number of things right with their interface and making the level grind more enjoyable, but they also built their game in such a way that it will never be balanced, that forces you to play the way they say you have to play rather than catering to various playstyles, and that leaves you wondering, in the stale and redundant endgame, why you ever bothered to purchase it in the first place. PvE may be your thing, and if so I can understand why you have issues with Mythic because the PvE was seriously lacking in DAOC. But for true fans of Mythic, PvP is the clincher and Blizzard's stagnant PvP does not hold a candle to Mythic's knowledge of how to build a good PvP/RvR system.

I'm hoping WAR's PvE will be more entertaining than that of DAOC, and everything I've seen thus far tells me that it will be. But I trust implicitly that Mythic will provide me with another immersive PvP/RvR experience.

Originally posted by Distortion0

Originally posted by MorgothBaugl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-ZcvkB-afA

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Hate to tell you but that footage is considereably bettter than anything else out there right now for what it is. Take a look at PvP in AoC without the interface. Even worse yet, go look at PvP in WoW without the interface. Dude, all it is is a display of the combate animations. You're supposed to see how the models seem to be realistically hit with a hammer and how authentic the dying animation is. You're reading way too much into everything else.

I'd have to agree about DAoC. It was a big bite for the first shot out there. It had/has some innovative features. Mythic never seemed to be so concerned about class balance and neither am I. Each class has it's place if it's programmed right. Methinks DAoC and WAR are both intended to be group games when it's player versus player (in whatever rendition) and not one on one.

I think ppl talking about 'overpowered this' and 'one-shot that' have unfortunately seen an indirect problem stemming from DAoC's biggest failure and one that I've seen a few other MMO's repeat. That is, the overall graphic/server load, content level and subscription levels. DAoC was intended to be played with MUCH higher subscription and player levels. It was meant to be a true army versus army. What happened was ppl too spread out or subscription levels too low to make it work like it should and people ended up in small or solo combat against other players. That's where the class differences were too great to bear 'meaningful' or 'enjoyable' combat for everyone.

I give WAR about a 90% chance of being a flood victim of the crybabies screaming class balance based on it's perceived intent.

I see EQ2 and possibly VGSOH going down the same road but for different causes. EQ2 has such a demand on graphics and the server (per player) that it can't put enough players on one server to make the group-required quests achievable in all the different level ranges and racial areas. VGSOH seems to have stemmed it a bit by make things more solo-able which actually ends up helping retain subscribers, but it's so easy to wander off and lose 15~20 minutes trying get your way back to anything more meaningful than pretty scenery.

You have to be impressed by WoW. It has been so cleverly designed (below ~45, only) that it boggles the mind. The pace, group levels, number of questing towns, speed to get from town to town, overall size of the map, number of players each server can support, etc. They have all been designed to keep people together to get stuff done, socialize and move along. The map sizes are just large enough to have some nice variety without getting too big and letting people thin out and slow their progress. What they were thinking with the content above 50 or so is all about cold hard cash, though, and that's why I don't play the game.

Originally posted by logangregor

I cant say it enough, I LOVE CC. Playing a Mage Assasin in shadowbane and a Sorcerer in DAOC got me hooked.

WoW imo did CC right. Sheep, seduce, fear, curse of tongues, roots, stuns, dazes, debuffs, dispels, silence--there all great.

The only thing that I dont care for with WoW's CC is the million ways they give people a chance to get out of it. To me that just ruins the ability.

For instance, Warlocks can cast a curse called Curse of Tongues. Curse of Tongues slows the casting by 50 percent. Great spell right? Well one of the toughest casters to face in PvP is a mage and guess what, they can dispell curses. Kind of kills it for me.

Or the fact that Undead can get out of Fear....or Gnomes can break roots. And if race abilities werent enough, there are trinkets to get out of fear, sheep etc.

And resists? Resists are for PVE.
ID MUCH RATHER NEVER resist a spell and never have my attacks or spells resisted.

If anyone has fought a well geared charachter in WoW you know what Im talking about. Its no fun losing to someone because HALF of your abilities were resisted.

Translation: I want an "I Win" button.

That's exactly what you are asking for. There always has to be some class or some race that can resist a specific thing. Thus, the whole paper rock scissors deal which WAR seems to support. This, because each class is very focused in what it can do; consider chess pieces. You can't always lock everyone with your warlock ability (or whatever the example) and wipe them out. You are going to run into classes that will PWN you every time and vice versa, but not ALL other players.

Don't get me wrong, I like CC but there has to be some element of fail/success or it's gets pretty freaking boring for both sides. Unless, of course, you are a 10 year old that never tires of skill-less domination with the I-Win scenario (and you are probably still playing in WoW with your 'rouge' twinked with gold bought by your allowance).

My take on WAR from the videos and whatnot is that WAR is a very strategic game. Suddenly find your bright wizard up close and personal with a melee type? You probably have a 10% chance of winning 1-v-1. There are examples of it being the other way around as well, but my point is; WAR doesn't appear to be an equal opportunity 1v1 MMO; unlike what WoW has become from the .

Originally posted by End_of_a_era

Originally posted by matraque
To the haters :

What game are you gonna bash in a couple months when VGSoH will probably do well if not better then any SOE game ?

AoC ?  WAR ?   LOTRO ?  STO ?  GandH ?

AOC = Bland graphics, poor animations and bad character models

WAR = I hope it's good, have a feeling it'll be like DAOC and the character movement will suck :P Then i wont like it.

LOTRO = wtf no major PVP in this game? Turbine u suck!

STO = yawn tv series boring

Gandh? G&H? Then probally will suck its SOE

 

The only thing I would argue with you here is on WAR. Methinks it will be very much like WoW in gameplay/fluidity. One thing I always liked about Wow was the streamlined interface. It's fast, pretty darn bugfree and slick. WAR appears to be more like that IMHO.

I don't really care about the launch time. It's done when it's done. It all just depends on when each person will subscribe and start playing.

OK, I am nobody's fanboy and never will be. I play what I like and change up when I get bored or the game sucks. I guess I am ruthless that way. I started back with Final Fantasy 1 if that tells ya my range of experience. I am 29 and enjoy casual stuff and more involved stuff as well when time permits.

Facts and Rumors:

BUGS: Yes, there are bugs. Yes there are many at times but they are not significant IMHO; it's beta after all, not retail. I am telling you right now, though; they are being corrected systematically on an hourly basis. Yes, hourly. I have some programming background myself. The socalled lockups every 60 minutes is not your client messing up and locking up. EVERYONE gets booted because they are systematically applying hotfixes to the server side and boot everyone to reset. If you are in beta, you are there to help fix stuff. It isn't bug ridden; it's being honed. It's close.

LAG: Yes, there is some lag. The server side and the client side are both not fully optimized. They are also running extra things to debug as well. Just in the last day I have picked up 10 FPS. No joke.

SLOW PERFORMANCE: Your computer must be up to spec. It requires more than EQ2 and everything else MMO-wise. It's next gen, guys; deal with it or go elsewhere. Don't expect super speed framerate like pick-your-poison current MMO's. It's designed to have top tier graphics for the next couple years; we are going to struggle a bit at first; same as EQ2 was but perhaps a bit more on this one. You NEED an nVidia 7 series card or ATI equivalent. You need 1Gb at the minimum; preferably 2Gb. VGSOH also has a long render distance design which blows everything else out of the water. It WILL cause a tad bit of load on the GPU, but it's not a major thing. UPDATE YOUR DirectX or SHUT UP, plz. Don't be lazy; it also affects performance. The correct drivers are only a few months old.

GRAPHICS: Phenominal. That's all I can say. Even with the amount of effects, texture, object quantity and render distance, they are doing a pretty good job already and more to come. I just run it on balanced performance with a few tweaks. I can't wait to be able to push it up when they tidy up and wrap up for release. I think everyone who hasn't played in the last 7 days should retry; semi daily patches are making obvious (seat of the pants?) differences in framerate.

GAMEPLAY: Well, it could use some more filling in of content and quests, but that's easy to add over the long term. Not really sure (no one is) what their behaviour will be on content on the fly. Every MMO gets released with some "soft content" due to the budget concerns. I have faith it will come. MMO's aren't static products anymore. This is probably my biggest point to watch to see if it succeeds.

FEATURES: It has features I loved about Wow, features I loved about EQ2 and a few other MMO's, etc. I am not interested in FFA PvP. RvRvR would be cool, though. It is startlingly easy to pick up for the most part if you have played EQ2, WoW and a few others. The crafting system seems to be one of the less complete things ATM but it is very nice.

IMHO, you don't qualify with a valid opinion on performance of the game if you haven't done the following things:

1. Updated your PC to the recommended specs.

2. Updated your drivers to the recommended specs.

3. Tried beta in the last few days to see rate of improvement as they move forward.

That's my humble opinion. I am not being elitist against guys with below spec machines (I feel for ya), but don't make unqualified statements either, plz. It doesn't help anyone. I will NOT stay around to listen to fanboys, trolls, whiners or anyone else argue or flame. Take it or leave it. I made this post for the open minded individuals looking for another person's sane expression of opinion.

My own box (so you know, not that it's something to brag about):

AMD 3500+ 2.2 Ghz

nVidia 7950GT KO (I did buy this to update for this game)

1Gb Medium Quality RAM (will buy more after trying out a stabilized retail version if necessary)

nVidia nF4 SLIdr MB

plain jane components the rest of the way

Few other things:

If you don't like it or think it's too buggy, wait for retail or just go elsewhere. Methinks half the constant flaming and negative press about it is to discourage others to try it out. I think some of this is because secretly some ppl worry it will pull lots of players from their own favorite MMO or because they themselves don't have the hardware to run it correctly.

<heads back into VGSOH to assist with bug squashing>