Originally posted by jakcass
Ppl pls i need help.I am looking for a MMORPG where the weapons and armors glow realy realy good.I want to find a mmorpg where you can feel the energy of your charecter,where you can see colours,green red and all the other light.PLS if you know such and MMORPG pls write in this topic.Again all i want is a mmorpg where you can make you weapons glow realy realy good.Oh and it has to be free or have private servers.10x

Originally posted by End_of_a_era

I like PVP thats done well tbh...

WOW: Great PVP system IMO, fun,fast and well balanced fun classes. I find BG's fun and to me it's more of the CS of RPG PVP.

EVE: Great well done system that really gets your heart beating and if you die it can have a bad effect on your character.

SWG pre cu: Loved the death pen not being too harsh, just makes death social.

Let me just say that in EVE big isnt always better. Titans arent solo ships anyway and u wont be flying one on a regular basis anyway. Yes u need a long time to get it but even then u need the manpower to make it a reality. I can fly anything Up to battleships and ill tell you the most fun i have is flying frigs. Going out in gangs made of frigs is a fun experience, if u need more firepower try out the Assault ships. In all the game isnt for everyone but dont get caught up in the wheel where you must get the bigger ships cuz it seems like it better. I used to think like that, as soon as i started i wanted a battleship soo badly, then i realized my favorite class overall was battlecruisers. 

I think to me the one things that keeps me palying for such a long times in games is the possibility of what i could do in the game and the end-game offering. I played lineage for over a year, and i had fun w my friend and such. I will however advice against playing the game altogether. Simply because if u said u hate grinds ull have lineage 2 even more (that game owns xp grinding titles) specially once you pass 40. The game has a total class inbalance so even though it has 32 classes to play it only has 8 that are worth playing at all. The sieges are fun as hell though but again you will see the same 8 classes over and over again cuz everything else sux. If after that your not convinced then simply look at the games economy. Everything d grade and above is ridiculously overpriced to the point were finding a true honest player who doesnt ebay his adena is a miracle in itslef. If you enjoy wasting rl money for virtual stuff on a game you wont play for the rest of your life then go for it.

L2s concept is great and i cant deny i had my fun, i was lucky to have good friend play with me but in the end the drawbacks were too many. Just hit lv 62 and see hwo its like to grind up to 70, then you realize going from 75-78 is about the same time it took you to lv from 65-75 anyway. Botters/farmers own the game and will take all the good hunting spots.

In either case not all games are for everyone but you must 1st ask yourself what is it that your looking in a game and then look for the game which comes closest, for me it was lineage 2, then i found EvE and thats where ill stay. There is no BEST game out there, that is based on opinion, it is up to you to decide what is fun for you.

Originally posted by Pantastic

 

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Originally posted by Soraellion
Have a look at EVE-Online, it IS a long-term game BUT you will advance in strength regardless if you play or not, as such there's no grinding.

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Be aware that EVE players don't use the term 'grinding' in the same way as everyone else on the planet does. They use it purely to refer to grinding for skills or levels, not for grinding for money or equipment. You'll actually be doing a lot of grinding in EVE; you'll have to mine, rat, or run missions a lot in order to be able to afford a ship, equipment for it, and skill books to increase your skills. The EVE fanboi just refuse to call it grinding and get agitated if someone points out the grinding in EVE.

There is truth in your post, and though i play EvE i dont consider myself a fanboi, i love most games out there games and if i see something i like about a certain game i will stand by it and by the same token i will talk about the negative aspects of the game. That being saidi think it comes down to the way words are used. EvE does not have the xp grind the so-called skill grind is not a grind at all because your not working for it its real time. As far as missions go those i would obviously consider grinds but its not mandatory to make isk either. As far as minnig goes id also call that grinding though again its not necessary to make isk. Ratting is also a grinding activity and again it is not necessary to make isk.

I have known people who make ALL of their isk by pirating or pvp, simply by looting the enemy etc. That being said i like all aspects of 'grinding' in EvE. There are days where all my isk comes from pvp, others (specially when i feel sick) it comes from mining, and even ratting. After playing many MMOs i realized that most are composed of the same old xp grinds and gear hunt (some people like that, i do to from time to time), then i started thinking why is it that im investing all this time for? what will i do when i reach max lv and have top gear?  is there a reason to pvp (to me having a reason to pvp is a must)? EvE just happened to answer what i needed. Its not for everyone but for those who like it there is no other game. Its all about personal taste. I remember when i played Quest 64 (for the n64) and i loved it while everyone (including magazines) thought it was a crap game from beginning to end. I have loved one thing or another from every single MMO i have played but in the end the only one i rather invest my time in is EvE because my time investent does have an effect in the world of EvE it may be minor today or forever but who knows how influential it could be.

And thats what i like, ANYONE could become the biggest name in the game, theres nothing stoping you not even skills, not even the 2003 veterans. I liek the fact that with good tactics i can take a 3 yrs vet (which i have done). I remember when i played lineage 2 i used to run away as soon as i saw someone with better armor than me, cuz i knew i was gonna lose (or an overpowered class for that matter). In EvE the only times i run away is when i know im heavily outnumbered because i know that if i play smart i can overcome most circumstances. Thats what i like about the game. We all play for different reasons and because of that we have games we like over others. The OP just needs to give a couple of games a try and see if one fits his style of play and if he likes the community.

P.S. Whats good and whats bad is a matter of perception and what may be good for another may not be good for you, thats why we have so many games out there. We all pick the one that is most fun for us and stick with, and when its no longer fun we move on.

Originally posted by Thoemse
It could be worse. You could've started playign EvE like i did in 2003. Since then no other game is fun to me anymore.
Everytime i get a lil bored with eve i try some other game MMO and others and i allways think: WTF how crappy is this!

No matter what game i play i allways have to compare it to eve and they allways loose.
Yes i love eve but damn it ruined other games for me.

MMO in general ruin "normal" games it seems.
Bought Oblivion played a lil and came to this conclusion: Enemies are allways as strong as you are = WTF - no challenge.
Why am a leveling up this char - WHY?
This feels so lonely - where's the other players.

ROFL same thing happened to me with Oblivion lol. I was playing and then i started thinking :

Is this game going to be affected by my characters actions?

answer: yes but no  one but me is gonna care

Why am i leveling my character for?

answer: uhhhh.....

The i was wishing oblivion was an MMO and i simply stopped playing it

Originally posted by Soraellion

Have a look at EVE-Online, it IS a long-term game BUT you will advance in strength regardless if you play or not, as such there's no grinding. Also it's more about being smart about stuff than 'being a higher level', this goes for all things in EVE; combat, mining, producing or whatever.

There's so many niches and possibilities that it's nigh impossible to get bored (if you do that means you should try a different aspect of the game), this is all made better by the fact that there's no set classes, no restrictions. You don't have to level a cleric to find out that you want to kill stuff as well and thus have to start from lvl 1 with your new warrior.

It's not the normal hack&slash MMO and it's certainly not for everyone but as you're stuck with the more 'normal' MMO's it seems you might have to check out something completely different. Note that people will tell you that EVE is about mining and missionrunning and that it's slow paced, they have not played the game properly.

 

I think that perhaps you havent found the right game for you. These days there are many games that offer many free trials etc. My suggestion is to try some of them out, ask many questions (since trials never trully give you an accurate view on the whole game) and be social with the community so that you may experience things you normally wouldnt. I did the same thing you did but my case was lineage 2, where i would go from CoH to lineage and back and forth w some other MMOs in the mix as well. I finally found EvE online about 8 months ago and i got hooked. Its nto a game for everyone but the mere fact that theres no xp grind was aplus for me since im a graduate student. At the same time i liked the open ended possibilities the game offers and because of that you feel that you are capable of changing the game (whihc many players have done since its creation).

Like i said there are many games out there and there should be one that could fit your style, and ofc looking ahead the future seems bringht with many promising games. In either case im sure many players feel the way you do i know i used to feel that way.

Originally posted by jwshaw88

Originally posted by mindspat

EVE Online is offline for good?

Star Wars Galaxies never had schedualed or unschedualed downtime.

World of Warcraft servers are always up and the h4wt elf is not a 12 year old boy.

Everquest is stable.

Anarchy Online never went offline for more then 12 hours.

Ultima Online is still running.

City of Hereos never disconnects from map server.

Dungeon and Dragons Online has Gary Gygax as a narrating Dungeon Master and he sounds like a drunk New York cab driver.

Checkers is more challenging then...

 

Working during downtime and server upgrades for the win!!

 

 

 

 

LOL, SWG had 1 hour downtime every day for server reset

WoW went offline for about 6 hours of primetime on a saturday the last time I subscribed to it just to fix an issue that only affected a few people riding one boat in the game, otherwise, you wait in a que most of the time, which is down time in my book anyhow

Everquest has never been "stable" it's had periods of stability between patches, if you had played the day Luclin went live, you'd know what i was saying

AO has had the least amount of inconvenient downtime I have ever seen, but they have bugs abound, indicating they could use a more aggressive patching cycle

I never played UO, so can't comment there...same with CoH, never played.

 

My point is, I can't see that you know what you're saying because every game you list has a subscriber base, has bugs, has updates and has to take the servers down sooner or later to fix them.  EVE is no different.  If you want to hate em for fixing the service in whatever capacity, then don't play just to show them off and it won't concern you if they are down or not!

Umm i take it you didnt get it eh?

Kinda know what you feel like tbh. I played CoH when it first came out and loved it but after 9 months and too many lv 50s i got bored, then i hit lineage II loved the game but the amount of farmers/botters ruined the experience for me (though taking over castles was very fun). After i left Lineage i looked for games where pve was fun yet PVP had a purpose to it (taking over territory etc), i saw Darkfall but and seemed promising unfortunately who knows when itl be released. I played RFO, FFXI (to me FFXI was alright but its a console game at heart and the pace is way too slow i honestly wish they would make a new one because i love the FF classes), then i went into CoV much of the same to me so i left after a few months and finally i found a little gem (thx to this site) called EvE online.

EvE is not a game for everyone and the beginning can seem like a huge undertaking but after giving it a shot i fell in love with it, afaik its the only game where you can build an empire do what you wish, and the depth in the game is amazing. There are many games out there which im sure are fun but im a pvp player at heart and for me pvp needs to have a purpose, after a while simply doing arenas or ganking someone gets boring, for me there has to be a reason as to why im getting new gear and getting higher lvs. I want to fight for territory and control it . I wanna knwo that after i put months of my time into a game i have something to look forward to not just another raise in the lv cap and 2 new powers for my nuker. So my suggestion is to look for any game that offers free trials and give em a shot (though tbh free trials arent always a fair indication wether the game is good or not) but it gives you a basic idea of how the community is which is very important.

Nothing says bad community when you ask a simple question and all you get is: "omg your a noobcake' etc. Not all games are for everybody and 2006 was a sad year for releases, but like i said give some games a shot through trials and ask many questions in-game and their forums and get a feel of the game. Im sure theres something out there youll like.

Beatnik59 The issue is that both games shouldnt be compared at all. Its true that they are both mass market games and that the companies involved are out to make as money. Thats what businessess do. However when ti comes down to it WOWs formula is geared to attract a much larger population (people who never played MMORPGs, people who play games casually, or those who simply got tired of the games they used to play and want to be part of a large gaming community) all of these things are fine. WoW is by no means a bad game, whatever it set out to do it has done it well by far. But a comparison to EvE is inappropiate for many reasons.

EvE is a mass market game but it is not marketed for ALL audiences (like WoW is). It is geared towards the more hardcore crowd, the people who like more complex and indepth experience. It rewards of you take the risks and sometimes you will fall pretty damn hard. WoW as it is meant to be a general audience game is more lax and is by all means a much easier game to play in, the game guides you through more confined stages than EvE would per se. In EvE when you are in for the 1st time CCP leaves the game in your hands and you do as you wish.

These two games are as far apart as day and night, and that is not to say WoW suck by any measure, it simply means that comparing the two is not smart. The arguement of quality vs quantity is also void for the same reasons. EvE WAS made for less people and just because WOW was created to cater to 7m people or more doesnt mean its of lesser quality take in mind that pleasing the 32k active members in EvE is hard enough i couldnt imagine 7m people.

When it comes down to it both sides had the tool to vote as they wished and the EvE community simply showed the most interest in voting, had WoW players botherd to flod the voting polls they could have wont all categories with their eyes closed. Thats the way popularity contests work, whining about the results is futile if both sides had the same oportunities.

Originally posted by Beatnik59

I disagree KoalanKnight.

It is very easy to compare WoW and EVE.  That is why people like you and ssstupido have to resort to abstract analogies about "quality," or, "sophistication," or "depth," because on the basis of the merits, EVE and WoW are pretty much the same thing: a multiplayer service designed to entertain.

Both WoW and EVE are designed to get as much money from as many consumers as possible, from each consumer as possible.

As far as comparisons to the game play, one doesn't need abstract analogies about complexity.  A direct comparison of the features can be done:

WoW-- A well documented rulebook, easy to navigate interface, and intuitive gameplay allows the user to easily enter the game, progress, and have fun for their subscription fees.

EVE-- It is complex for the sake of those who want to pay to master the mathematics of dealing damage, taking damage, and earning ISK.  No rulebook, with a complicated array of attributed values to nearly every system, combined with many exceptions to basic rules, means that EVE is a technical challenge to play, for those who like technical challenges.  However, EVE does have very powerful statistical tools for those who enjoy working with statistics (I personally like the market trends graph).

Genre:

WoW--An action/adventure fantasy title, that offers multiplayer for a recurring bill.  Since the action is important, you progress your character by doing actions, and you pay monthly for the ability to do these actions.

EVE--A trading, combat simulation, that offers multiplayer for a recurring bill.  Since action is not emphasized, but statistics are, you don't pay so much per month to do actions, but rather, to gain statistics.

They are both successful titles, from what I gather.  While WoW's revenue is high, I'm sure their fixed costs are also high.  EVE apparently is so successful, CCP has enough money to expand into pen and paper, and trading cards.

Yes CCP made EVE to make more money but they are the ONLY independent company to be succesful atm and if they trully wanted to market to the masses they could have gone away with many of the things that make the game soo deep. People that label EVE as overly complex are wrong.

In the beginning all the information can seem overwhelming but EVE does have its tools laid out for you to do as you wish, its open ended. In WoW things are more scripted and ofc this is fine but at some point you will reach the endgame and have nothing to do but repeat instances for more gear etc. The reason EvE is soo complex is merely because it gives the player the tools to build an empire as well as destroy one, to make a name for yourself etc. These games a radically different, neither could be labeled as better than the other because better is a matter of perception and people have different tastes.

ANYONE simply making a comment of how EvE sucks this and or that better have at least played the damn game for 6 months to make an ample assesment because even then there are a lot of things to be learnt. Most people here play the trial for 2 days whine how they cant fly a mothership (or lose their frig to someone) and whine about it. Make sure that if your posting about any game no matter which one it is you have truly given the game a chance rather than simply jumping the badwaggon of whiners.

Originally posted by Pride7
People keep saying this site has 511,804 members...  Remember there is nothing to stop me from having 10,000 usernames to this site which is one of the reasons these awards are a joke, that and the fact that Eve won for best PVE of course :)

These types of discussions are useless tbh. When it comes down to it Eve and WoW are worlds apart. They totally different in the type of game down to the type of players they are marketed to. WoW is a title for the masses the casual player and in most cases it is the statrter MMO for many people. Having said that a large portion of WoW players have never ventured beyond WoW and when they do they expect instant gratification and this leads them to think that all games BUT WoW suck.

Best example is the EvE forums when a new player forms a thread about how he got podded in space by a 'griefer' and shouts waaaaaaaaaaaambulance all over the place. Yes theres hell to pay in EvE if you do something wrong thats just the kind of game it is, and because of that it only attracts hardcore players and most of these players are above 20. Im not gonna sink into the immaturity arguement of both sides but coming down to it EvE is more complex that most MMORPGs out there and thats the reason it has a player base of 130k.

WoWs formula of instant gratification caters to more casual players as well as beginners, i refuse to think that any MMORPG veteran could play WoW and feel satisfied after 5 months of play i think thats next to impossible. As for the PVE award i personnaly wouldnt vote for neither tbh. WoW pve is a recycling plant doing the same crap over and over in different areas, PVE is the ONLY thing to do because pvp technically doesnt get you anything. "o look lets raid the alliance" then you realize you cant keep their towm "aawww". To many older players it comes down to "what am i pveing for?" Is it for money? for fame? for gear? for control?, when it all comes down to it WoW only gives you the drop/gear/xp and so on. You hit max lvl and all you get is more grind for more gear and again nothing more too look forward to except the next expansion which will raise lv cap again!!!.

In EvE you PVE for what? money, gear (sometimes), and thats about it. Though admitedly mining isnt part of what most would consider pve because if you do then youd have to bring in the manufacturing/sciencetific parts of EvE into play and in that case most games would be blows out of the water. When speaking stricktly of PVE EvE offers the npcs youd find in ANY game (though obviously different in concept) yet he will only give you money and drops (not xp cuz you dont need that), at the same time exploration adds a whole new lvl of play where you can find hidden areas, complexes would be the good ol dungeon per se. In these respects WoW and EvE offer the same yet in different settings and ofc the concept is radically different. Some people may like the medieval style, some may like sci-fi.

These kinds of polls and awards are the competition of tastes and thats it. EvE won because the community is highly involved in the game, if you look in the EVE-forums you will find Movies being created from ground up, ship models being created by players, wallpapers being made etc etc. The player base is simply more into their game that most other communities are. Yes its true CCP placed a link to this site for voting but tbh i dont think it was needed, people were gonna flow the award voting regardless because they like their game. As to why on earth the WoW players didnt vote is something i dont know, even w/o a link to their site (which the forums DID have) they could have voted overwhelmingly in ANY category and won simply by sheer numbers.

So stop whining wether EvE or WoW is better at PVE or any other category, each side will simply go for what their playing regardless of any hard truth, but imo EvE deserved the award forget the recycled missions and venture deeper into the game and you will see what i am speaking of. WoW is a good game though not one to play for long, there simply isnt much content for me to keep me interested. In EVE there are no bound to what i can do and even if i never accomplish my goals at least i know i have the capabilities to do so.