Originally posted by Yamota
We should avoid this game because cussing is not allowed in general chat? Yeah... that would be a reason for me to play the game. I wont for other reasons, but dont see how banning people for using bad language in general chat is bad.

Usually the foul language goes way beyond what the banned players say.

I see ppl curse the whole time in chat, and they still play without any problems, so my guess is that there has been a 'few more' words uttered or maybe whole foul language spam. When ppl go emo because things don't go their way it's usually not limited to just 1-2 words.

OP could be right, but my guess is there's a lot more to it.

Originally posted by bcartfall

Originally posted by Muke

Originally posted by Gravarg
it's a trainwreck?  I hadn't noticed...I must be a coma dreaming from the wreck!

That game is still in beta, but apparently ppl like the OP are plunging their money already in the cashshops.

According to the PWE website it's Live + I suggest you read the article released very, very recently about open beta being a shill for a soft launch anyway [with most companies]. If they're not planning/saying they won't wipe, it's not a beta.

I go to the official site, it says:  "join the open beta".

So I take their word for it that it is in beta.

Originally posted by Bukk24

Originally posted by Muke

Originally posted by Ulorik

Am I missing something here? After the post kickstarter holiday there hasn't really been much communication from CSE apart from an mmorpg interview by MJ and one update on the kickstarter page (I stand to be corrected if I missed something out)

Now, has there a KS-Backers forum already been established and I somehow managed to miss it or is there another strand of communication somewhere else?

I'm a tad disappointed by the lack of feedback by CSE at the moment.

Expecting open beta by now?

Or in Neverwinter's case 'Open Buck ETA' .... 

Surprising that so many players ar ein an uproar when that game is apparently still in open beta, thus not officially released yet.
Players do not understand the meaning of the word BETA in game development, they play and complain like it is the released game already.

But with CU, there's a lot to do when you have the money to start building on a game, hiring staff, making plans, get a studio, get financers, make ads for the game....ofc the official site with the announcement, there's a ton of things to do.

Indy developers, love em. Think out of the box and mostly not corrupted by the big companies yet.

Originally posted by Pipofix

So I hear people talking about how wow is gonna loose players to Wildstar...I simply dont belive its gonna happen, at least not in the larger numbers some people on mmorgp belive.

I predict three things:

#1 Most wowheads will keep playing wow.

#2 Wildstar lacks in story and lore, hence it wont appeal the masses. (It just seems bland to me).

#3 If we ever are going to see the number wow had/has its probably going to be when blizz launches their next big mmo-project.

What do you think?

I think you are another WOW fanboi dissing on every MMO in these forums that might lure away some of your comrads in Blizzard Land.

Originally posted by Piechunks

What do I mean specifically by fluid? The sum of: the games response to your input, the successive execution of skills and skill macro responsiveness.

 

No, I won't go back to WoW. I'm finished with that game and practically this entire genre. WoW has a lot of problems.. and frankly, even without them I couldn't bring myself to play it, because my marginal utility from doing anything for a ridiculous amount of time is negative to 0.

Some games have tried making babysteps, like Tera, Raiderz, AoC etc., but nothing so far has been executed at the same caliber.

It has been over a decade now for MMORPGers and we're still stuck with tab targeting for the most part; you'll have some games like GW2 boasting a pseudo targeting, i.e. aoe system with a dodge in place mimicking a cooldown in WoW, but it's really just the same beast with a different flavor (and still, not quite as fluid in my worthless opinion).

 

Has anybody found anything with combat comparably "fluid" to WoWs? I am really hankering for something new and nothing recently has really captured my fancy in the combat department.

 

 

 

Just look at the graphical engine, done.

Originally posted by Gravarg
it's a trainwreck?  I hadn't noticed...I must be a coma dreaming from the wreck!

That game is still in beta, but apparently ppl like the OP are plunging their money already in the cashshops.

Originally posted by Ulorik

Am I missing something here? After the post kickstarter holiday there hasn't really been much communication from CSE apart from an mmorpg interview by MJ and one update on the kickstarter page (I stand to be corrected if I missed something out)

Now, has there a KS-Backers forum already been established and I somehow managed to miss it or is there another strand of communication somewhere else?

I'm a tad disappointed by the lack of feedback by CSE at the moment.

Expecting open beta by now?

Originally posted by Razeekster
It's because they never really add anything fun. It's just essentially a gear grind. They have also been dumbing it down pretty badly for some reason.

That too, and also Warcraft was a 'bit' cartoonish, all the graphical styles but come on, pandas?

It's too much an Asian style feature, and some like it, some don't.

Originally posted by Imperator101
This game does have a good concept, it fails delivering it. The gameplay also looks pathetic as I said before for melee gameplay, from videos I seen consists of constantly running around swinging your weapon, it looks clunky and stupid. Look at other MMO's melee gameplay, Elder Scrolls Online seems to have great gameplay as you are often in a stationary position when doing melee combat and it looks a lot more realistic. Still, ESO will onyl have open world pvp limited to Cyrodiil so I probably won't buy it.

This game is a huge pile of garbage, I have always wanted a great open world sandbox pvp MMO where you fight over controlled territory forge your own Empire with your clan. Sadly, the only games out right now that are like this are Mortal Online and DW:Unholy Wars, BOTH GARBAGE GAMES WITH CRAP GAMEPLAY.

I will have to see how The Repopulation turns out but I think that will end up having some clunky crap gameplay to.



I rest all hope in finally experiencing a good MMO that has territory control, sandbox and full loot pvp in this game. Embers of Caerus, the graphics look similar to Elder Scrolls Oblivion and that is great graphics for an MMO, I am sure it will look a lot better when it is released. It will be released in 2016, probably late 2016.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5--1rZR7VTo



This game will defintantly blow crappy Darkcrap Unholy Shit out of the water. I bet many Darkfall players will switch to this game and UW wars will close not long after Embers of Caerus is released. This looks like it will be the most immersive and brutal mmo game with amazing gameplay, bone clashing high adrenaline intense gameplay , sort of like the first person melee combat you see in Age of Chilvary. Such an immersive feel will really bring you into the game unlike Darkfall Unholy Crap.



Any Dark fall player should really check this game out.



http://www.embersofcaerus.com/content.php/212-Features There will be player build cities and 16 factions so it will be mayhem.

Rating a pre-alpha game as it is the best out there is a bit....well not so smart.

Originally posted by Calerxes

 

 

So to recap, WOW was always a simplified game requiring no actual thought to play with very few actual decisions on how to play unless you wanted to raid and then you had to learn a few things, is that correct? So the actual game that millions played the leveling game was simplified to the point that young children could play without help and the hardcore raiding game that very few played (something like less than 3% in the TBC era) was a bit harder, well until they simplified that. OK I get it thanks.

Yes.

Originally posted by tom_gore
Now if we only could get more WwW maps. Wasn't the plan to make each of the borderlands different?

if you make too many maps, yes the world gets bigger, mor eoptions but then you get player groups too spread out.

Originally posted by Razeekster

Originally posted by EricDanie

The pace at which content is delivered on this game far surpasses anything I've seen in the themepark genre.

Actually RIFT does monthly updates too and usually has way more content each update.

Could be, but Rift is just a WOW clone with bad Warhammer Online graphics.

Originally posted by Pandaman102

Originally posted by Loktofeit

I see your point, and can see how that could be a concern for some. The rollback didn't resolve the majority of that? 

Sorry to interject, but the rollback only covered the blatant exploiters. The fact is this bug was first noticed (and patched) in STO months ago, but the unpatched version of the AH was implemented in NWO (CO, STO, and NWO share a lot of code, since they run on different builds of the same engine), so people knew about how to exploit such a bug before NWO went to Open Beta.

All it took was for someone who was aware of the exploit in STO to check if NWO's AH shared the same flaw. There's no way to tell for sure exactly how long or how widespread this bug has been exploited. What happened over the weekend could possibly be just a very loud drop in the bucket compared to what has been hidden away across multiple free accounts for all we know.

who cares: it's an open beta, if ppl are mad because of some bugs in pre-launched game so what, if they pump money in a game not even officially released yet, their fault.

Originally posted by Adalwulff

 

 

Sounds like you've had a horrible experience, but you cant possibly think that happens to everyone. I myself have NEVER had an experience like you described.

But your leaving out one important aspect. Doing it your way, any group that happens apon that cave will not enjoy the content, because its all soloable.

It will be way too easy. Now your forcing that group to disban, see how that works.

No, solo content was difficult enough at times. I wanted to (role)play some bounty hunter or a random hunter in the game.

And didn't want to have a army behind me to kill a certain mob.

There were ofc those in the game (Krayt dragons), but my experience in all other mmos that came after it (a LOT), you need a group to even take a piss.

"I am a dangerous warrior, let's fight! oh no, I need a healer, tank, dps, preferrably 10 of each and maybe I stand a chance".

Grouping: ok, but it should not be a requirement from start to finish.

Originally posted by DiSpLiFF

Originally posted by Hyanmen

Originally posted by DiSpLiFF

 i'll say what i've said before, I personally think WoW did it best. Theres group play and solo play, but you won't get nearly as good quality gear just by soloing. I would never play a game that forced me to group 24/7, on the other hand i'd never play an mmo that was just solo play. Of course i'm a casual player (i guess? 2 hours a day) sometimes I don't have an hour to wait to join  a group i'll probably leave 40 mins into it. 

 

WoW did it in the worst possible way.

i love when people make statements with no examples of why they think that way. 

Ok, I'll give you one:

-I am a Star Wars fan, I played SWG from beta till that one faithful day in 2005.

I had different characters, take for example my jedi or bounty hunter, I liked to hunt wild animals in the wild far away from cities for money, for resources etc etc etc. (money + roleplay + having fun being in a sw world). That said, I discovered a cave system, I went inside to explore and found wild animals, had a LOT of fun killing them (although difficult) and looting.

Same with pvp, I had my seeker droids, I buffed, I found a jedi (npc or player) target, and went out there searching for it, players could take hours to actually initiate combat with them. All that while being in a guild, and having fun doing fights and other rp events with them from time to time.

I loved that, transfer that to today's MMOs and what ppl think they should be like:

Log in, go out in the wild, "hey a cave, let's go explore it...BLAM dead. wtf....ok, need group, and there come Jack the tank, Jill the healer, and Corky the dps...."let's kill the monsters inside....DONE! let's fight over the loot!.....ok done, what now? hmm, let's travel a bit further into the wild, Jack has to go, Jill has her BF coming over.....bye group......hey abandoned base, let's go inside, BLAM! Elite npc...I'm dead. ok, let's spam the chat again for a new group...noone responding? ok I'll just sit in a safe city and wait hours on end and do nothing because I can't do jack sh*t in this game without the healer-tank-dps help"

Originally posted by Zefire

I was having a good time playing neverwinter even with all those annoying bugs exploits etc but now that the economy is destroyed i feel i have no reason to keep playing this game.

Everyone has billions of astrals and if you think that those people are banned or that they will do something to save the economy then u are naive.Only a true wipe will save this game and by reopening the servers with as lees exploits as possible.

The game destroyed and thats it i have no willing to play this any more even if it was fun at the beggining

BETA.

Originally posted by dreamscaper

It was better, in my personal opinion.

• World PVP Existed
• World was fully zoneless save for the single transition between Kali/EK.
• Stats (HP especially) were sane.
• There were reasons to group outside of dungeons/end game.
• Epic gear actually meant something.
• It took more than a few days to reach max level.

Is some of the above the product of rose-colored glasses? Probably. But when I consider that I've enjoyed WoW less and less after each expansion, I don't think that's fully the case.

 

Disclaimer: WoW was NOT my first MMORPG, or even my second or third.

it's World of Warcraft, but to me more scripted PVE wars with some pvp.

no open world pvp, other then lowlevel ganking, no influence on the world by doing pvp, if you raid a town, the guards respawn in a minute or 2. Players do not have any impact on the gaming world.

The game is too easy with all the portalling around, flying mounts, you are anywhere in the 'world' in 20 seconds. There's no exploration anymore.

Meeting stones meant no more dangerous travels to enemy territories.

I LOVE battlegrounds, especially AV, but the reinforcements made it into rush the boss when 2 towers down minute zergs. Also this BG has not been fixed or nothing been added to it in 10y.

I like(d) the engine with the cartoon graphics, but it's really outdated, looking even more bad today, but damn: this game needs a complete graphic overhaul and fixing of old features ppl have been complaining about for years.

Originally posted by Dahkoht

Seriously , how anyone would want to support such a company is beyond me after this. Glad I did the chargeback to them.

Isn't it open beta? Therefore not a Live game and meant to issue bugs and other problems?

Originally posted by SpottyGekko

Originally posted by Muke

Originally posted by SupportPlayerMM
yes n the official forums there's tons of voting going on and all polls are WIPE and yet they refuse. I'm completely confused atm...

Do some beter research and produce ALL those numbers in a orderly fashion (graphics) please....all this "there are tons of polls and basicly everyone says the same" sounds a lot like you are just coming up with imaginary figures and wild guesses led by emotion.

The forum polls started by users are irrelevant. There could be 200 of them and it still won't make a shred of difference.

 

PWE don't want to wipe.

 

So there'll NEVER be an official poll to ask what the "testers" want most. PWE don't care what the testers want.

Could be, but the OP is shielding himself with 'facts' based on wild guesses I take it, don't know how many players are in that beta right now, if for example 10% bother to post on those votes, it is hardly representative for the whole community, plus usually only the disgruntled players are using such votes to express their frustration.

Originally posted by simplius

 

even an mmo with 300k subs will have roughly 4,5 MIO $$ EVERY MONTH,,and thats "nothing"?

Kinda depends on what the net profit is each month. If they have a bill of 5M to pay then it's really bad. :)