Seems hardcore pvpers have a game they can finally enjoy. All other MMO devs should be thankfull most of them will be out of their games.

Originally posted by CHATTER

For a MMO, it isn't very massive. The main zone for instance (no pun intended lol) has an instance cap of 100! That's it. Which is pitiful for such a large zone. Not to mention all the loading screens & having to decide instances every single time gets old fast & kills immersion.
- point 2. You change zones (say to level up) and then you go back to the zone your team was in. BUT if that zone nears the instance cap it wont let you in. EVEN IF THE REST OF YOUR TEAM IS IN IT. So you are forced to either wait for someone to exit that zone which can take a looong time, or else ask your whole team to change zones. AND IF they actually change zones, they are transported far away from the quest and have to essentially start over. Horrible system.

This is a really game killer for me. Since being dissapointed by the Aion beta, I was hoping to try this game. But if what you typed above is correct I'm not even going to bother. It's a terrible system that should have no place in MMO's.

 Afraid I'm skipping this one. I played up to lvl17 and I just couldn't force myself to log in any more. It simply wasn't fun. It is the most linnear and theme park MMO I've ever played. Going to stick to EVE for my PvP fix until something else comes along. I just can't see myself forcing all the way to lvl25 to actually start having fun.

First off, they aren't switching from WoW to Aion, they are going to have guilds in both games. But guess that doesn't sound as appealing as a title than the one you posted OP.

 The sad thing about all this is that GameGuard does absolutely nothing to protect the game. It has 0 benefits, it is so easily hacked and overcome that it is just worthless as a cheat prevention program. The only thing it does do is cause trouble for some legitimate users which in turn makes it have a bad rep which results in less people trying the game.

Because it fails so miserably at what it is supposed to do, botters and cheaters have an easier time in Aion than most other western MMO's out at the moment. The game wasn't made with cheat prevention in mind from the design stage, so together with the inefective GG to protect it, the whole game is vunerable. Whole areas being taken by botters in Korea and China are not uncommon. If people fight try to kill them, 10 of them just show up and wipe the floor with you. 

People say that it will be different in US/EU as they'll be more strict and so on, but I'll have to see it to believe it. It's very easy to talk about deafeating botters and cheaters, it's a hell of a lot harder to actually do anything about it.

Originally posted by ichimarunico

I like apples, but oranges are good too.

Traitor!!!

 Heroic Deadmines and flying mounts on Azeroth. Awesome lol.

Originally posted by beauxaj

Originally posted by Draco91

You forgot to add to that list. Gameboy Tetris runs on a gameboy. Super Nintendo Tetris runs on a Super Nintendo. World of Warcraft runs on a computer. They all have platform limitations. If my computer junks out and I don't have the money to buy one, but my console is still working, I can't play WoW on my console. If I lose my WoW software and have to get a new computer, I have to buy WoW all over again (unless they've finally made the client available over the net aside from the free trial?). There are P.C. versions of Tetris too, by the way.

 

Ummm, Long ago you could download Wow, the full client.  They recently changed to calling it the "Universal Client" when WOTLK came out.   Research man, RESEARCH!!!!  Read entire articles before you post, Find a good analogy, pick a topic AFTER you have everything lined up and ready to go, you aren't even debating any more , you're just throwing crap at a wall and seeing what sticks.

I know thats why you put the little unless statement in your post, but  couldn't you have taken the 6 seconds to find out and saved us all some time?

 

This just sums the whole thing up. Stop making a fool of yourself Draco, you have been proven wrong on everything you said in this thread.

Originally posted by Draco91

Originally posted by warty

I thought WoW players were supposed to be dim, yet this thread is the exact opposite of what that rule would lead you to believe. OP fails at the most basic level of math comprehension and general intelligence. Somebody got way too excited at the chance to bash WoW and guess what, it failed and they look like a retard, once again. Everybody has 6 accounts or more? 100 $/£/e a month from all players? That alone should have sent some alarm bells ringing that your facts were a little off, dontcha think?

This isn't a matter of intelligence or math comprehension. I just didn't read the PDF. How far you read into anything is not in any way related to either intelligence or math comprehension. And I mentioned several times in my original post and in a followup that the intent was to get rid of an over-used, annoying and invalid argument, and NOT to bash WoW. There are plenty of valid reasons to play WoW, and I've played it off and on since closed beta. But the "everybody does it" argument is supremely annoying. 

So you based you whole argument and silly title on this study and now you say you didn't even read it? Sounds like an intelligence issue to me. 

 That study is based on the 2.5M subscriptions in North America. So it sounds about right that there are 1.8m users with some having multiple accounts.

Just a follow on to the post after looking at the wikki page you linked, here are some of the apps that it does block (cheers for the link, makes things pretty clear):

ATI Tray Tools (for ATI graphics cards)
Daemon Tools
FileZilla
Google Chrome
Kaspersky 2010 (one of the best AV around atm)
Logitech G-series Keyboard Profiler
Media Player Classic
Razer
Steam

Witht he exception of the keyboard, I have all those installed on my computer. How anyone could put up with a software program preventing you from using any of these is beyond me.This is just some of the, full list at the wiki page provided a bit earlier.

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Raztor

Originally posted by EllieX

 

 

 

LOL! What a bunch of bull.

I played TCOS a while ago and some other games that use Game Guard and I had never any issues at all!

The only thing it did on my system is kill the connection of MSN Messenger, wich is perfectly understandable.

I've run it with both Avast Home Edition and McAfee and both continued to work perfectly fine while GameGuard was active, while I played the game.

But then again... I dont browse porn. I don't download illegal crap from all kinds of dubious hackers and crackers sites. And install all kinds of other crap on my system.

If you have a clean, mallware and crap free system and don't run a crap AntiVirus product that is known to be the plague like Norton!!!  Then you shouldn't have any issues with GameGuard at all.

Cheers

So you don't have a problem with a piece of software that tells you you can and can't use on your computer? You can't even use MSN while playing and you don't have a problem with that? You don't find it a problem that it can change BIOS settings? You don't have a problem with it shutting down AntiVirus programs such as Norton, which comes preinstalled on most new computers (yea it's crap, but better than having none at all). You don't have a problem with it not unistalling like every other normal program?

I know I have a problem with all those things. It's my computer and sure as hell I'm not going to have a piece of software telling me how I can and can't use it. Sure a lot of people don't see any problems with it, but most don't know that they'll have it installed on their computers until a fresh reformat. It's a total gamble which hardware/software configuration will have trouble with it and it really says something about Aions devs. 

Originally posted by EllieX

I'm sorry if this is a Noobish question but this is the first time I've heard of it and I was interested in playing AION.

 

How risky is GameGuard to Privacy/Security and will it uninstall cleanly?  I use my PC for work and something that gets down to BIOS level and shuts down USB stuff sounds really really bad.

Also, will it work on Lenovo PCs with security chips?

 

Under no circumstances should you install any game which uses GameGuard on a computer used for work or with important documents on. Not only does it disable your Antivirus/protection software making your system vunerable, but it is also very hard to delete once you unistall the game. It always leaves behind files which are very hard to track down and get rid of. If you want to play Aion then I suggest using a different computer that you don't use for work. 

To the poster above, the Warden system in WoW is nothing compared to GG.. It doesn't have any rootkits that accesses your BIOS and it doesn't conflict and disable Anti Virus software and other legitimate programs, it just checks running processes. It unistalls at same time as WoW aswell and doesn't leave files behind to cause more trouble once the game goes. Unlike Aion, the WoW programmers actually know how to secure their game from the design stage not at the last moment.

 I'm level 12 at the moment and I'm really struggling to find a reason to log on. I can't say exactly why exactly, but I just feel like I've done it all before. The thing that bugs me the most is simply how linear the game is. It just feels like an RPG with a multiplayer mode, the areas are small and so limited where you can and can't go. The graphics are OK (not really fused about graphics), sound is well done, combat is polished, overall polish of the game seems fine, and yet I can barely get myself to log back on. I've yet to die, the game seem very very easy (as is expected from beggining levels I suppose) and I hope things pick up soon.

I'll probably give it another proper go and try to force myself to level 20 and see how it goes. I'm not holding my breath though.

 Since Lithuania only gained entry to the EU in 2004, unfortunate problems like these still arise as they are still viewed by some as a sattelite state of the USSR. Hopefully as time goes on, these problems will get smaller, but I guess it takes time. 

 Battletoads

 This is great news. Would love if they did the remaining raids and add heroic versions to the original dungeons aswell. Ony was my favourite fight when WoW came out (our guild got up to 4H in Naxx). Can't wait to give it another proper go, have soloed her a few times.

 Out of the many reasons I could mention I picked 3.

Firstly Polish, no other game (other than LOtR) comes close. Everything just works. I find it amazing that a game like WoW, built for PvE, can handle 120 vs 120 open world PvP battles with ease, while a game build for PvP such as WAR creeps to a halt when I had more than 60 players on screen (and no, it's not my computer). It just shows how advanced the WoW engine is behind the pretty little graphics.

Secondly Combat. People spend 80% of their time fighting mobs/players, it's the single most important thing in the game. The control that WoW gives you over your character is second to none. It feels like a very well oiled component that works smoothly every time and makes combat fun. It amazes me that so many of the recent MMOs have had a terrible combat feeling, specially the PvP ones. It's something you take for granted in WoW.

Third, Content. For all races you pick (other than gnomes and trolls) you get a completly difference leveling experience up to around lvl20 ish, and then you have a choice of 3+ zones all the way to 60. Once there you can pick and chose where to level in Outlands and Northrend. Once you get to 80, you can do dungeons (12+  normal and Heroic), you can level your professions, you can enter fishing competitions, you can gather all the mini pets or mounts in the game, you have the best raiding content out in any game (again in normal and hardmodes), can can pvp (both battlegrounds, arenas, raiding enemy cities or open world pvp in Wintergrasp), you can go after unike achievements and titles, you can get reputations up to exaulted and so on and so forth. All of which has been polished to a better degree than in any other game.

These are just 3 points, I could go on but the post would get rather big.

Originally posted by Kamandi777

Well good luck with that game.  They messed with twinks.  I am out.

Good ridance. You won't be missed. 

Hope you find Aion or WAR to your liking.

 I said at the beggining of the year this game would close before next Christmas and I see no reason to change that view. It doesn't matter how many servers they merge, the core problems of the game are still there which means people will keep leaving. Having an RvR game based on 2 factions is suicidal, then adding PvE as it's endgame and PvE zones that take's one side away from the RvR is just laughable. It's unfixable now and the only real solution for EA is to make as much money as they can from the subs they have and then close it down.