Originally posted by tryklon

 Here you go, some numbers like WoW fans like. Ofc, they will always refute them in relation to Aion, but gladly accept them in respect to WoW... =P

 

The market share: www.xfire.com/genre/mmo/massively_multiplayer_online/

The MMOData studies: users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/1m-12m.png

 

(since Runescape is a browser game XFire cant acknoledge it ofc)

This bit made me laugh from MMOData:

"I estimated Aion Asia numbers on 2,5m as NCSoft does not want to confirm the 3,5m and they do not release subscription numbers anymore in their quarterly reports."

Yea... very reliable. Sorry, but I was talking about official data. NSoft released the sales figure earlier (somewhere around 700 or 800k  or something like that). That is the only official thing we can take for certain. Until the Xfire numbers get stable for Aion, it's too early to use that as an indicator of subs. 

For now, EvE remains the second most popular MMO in the Western market. When we get a subs number from Asia (a sub is an account that has been paid and played for in the last 30 days), then we can have a better idea of of where we stand.

Originally posted by tryklon

Originally posted by DevilXaphan

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Frostbite05

Originally posted by DiSpLiFF

 i would say EVE also if were just talking about the west. I'm sure Aion had a pretty good start but its lost a lot of players after the free month was up. I don't think Aion will suffer as bad as WAR and AoC, but I highly doubt it will keep good numbers once TERA comes out. 

 

heh aion still well above anything else in the west my friend. The game itself isn't broken like war and aoc were.

 

Proof ?

Where are those official paid subscription numbers of Aion in the East ????

Where are those official subscription numbers of Aion world wide??

 

Nowhere to be seen

And ... even 2 months after the western launch NCsoft doesn't publish any subs numbers in the West. AoC did, War did, WOW did 2 monts after launch ....

As for Xfire .... They SELL the damned thing througn Xfire, so those stats are worthless now.

14NA/18EU servers (not even full) means they are WAY BELOW the Korean number of players (400K on 42 servers)...

NCSoft being quiet on the subject means .... they didn't reach that 2nd place in the west.

Not by a long shot.

Aion fans: PROVE it or shut up the lying .

oh and btw : 300K subs for EVE WAS announced officialy....this year. Just like the 11.5 million of WOW. Official.

So where is that official NCSoft statement of subscribers ?:)))

 

And WOW doesn't have 10 million subscriptions, big deal. I can still say Aion is the second most popular MMO and you can't dispute it's not.

 

Ofc he cant. He only has 2 options there, to ignore the Asian market, and in that case wow has only 4,5k or around that, or count thee Asian market to give wow it's 11,5k, assuming theres nothing wrong with the chinese market and its fiasco.

Either way Aion is clearly the 2nd on the market.

But I find it funny for a guy that always defended XFire numbers now to come and say XFire is good for everygame except for Aion. The guy just fell on the ridicularity and doesnt even seem to see it...

Aion is clearly the 2nd biggest on the market? Since when? Do you have official figures to back that statement or is this another one of those chinese whispers people hear from friends of friends? Please don't spout BS statements unless you can back them up.

Like WAR and AOC, Aion has sold a lot of copies. I'm surprised they didn't release the sub numbers at this point, since it's when they are likely to be at their highest. That in itself is an indicator of how Aion is doing. If it was doing well, they would jump at the opportunity to put those sub numbers out in the public eye, rather than going the AoC/WAR route and release units sold instead.

They were aiming for 2nd spot in Western market, so if they had 350k subs they would say they accomplished their goal. That hasn't happened yet, so it'll be interesting to see the trends in x-fire and official sources to see how Aion does in the coming months.

 Thing is Blizzard have been doing these fluff items for ages (3 years) through the TGC cards that you can buy that give some mounts or pets. Exactly same thing and people never complained about it. As long as it remains fluff items, then I don't see what the fuss is about.

 Does anyone have an official release from Nsoft themselves rather than an IGN report about a Korean website reporter? It just seems very skewed and we all know how Chinese whispers en up. They were the ones also claiming the 3.5M subs number despite Nsoft not actually mentioning anything about it, so I don't exactly trust them.

Linear 

 You can try the X series of games. I would reccomment either X2 or X3-The threat. Seems exactly the kind of game you are looking for. 

Originally posted by Angorim

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Feature by feature? Want to compare with WOW 2009? Go ahead.

I'll save you the needless effort : I would say a 100 to 1 lacking features. Beginning at the various level 1 zones (first quest) and ending at Algalon and everything in between.

Of course every dude can add " IMO", but look at the many  features not in this game that are ALREADY in Wow 2009 from which it was a copycat.

I'll start with one of the main options: leveling through PvP.

 

Congratulations.  You compared a game that's been released for a month to one that has massive funding released 5 years ago.  Please make more perfect comparisons such as this, you're such a genius.

I'm no fan of Aion in the least, but this is just another idiotic fanboy post by this idiot.

Aion has been released for 1+ year now. It hasn't just "been released". 

 What Exactly is Aion best at? On my way up to lvl17 I didn't see anything new, only restrictive gameplay and a guided tour along the themepark.

Everything in Aion has been done before and better in other games. The only thing that Aion has going for it is that it is polished and runs well on most computers. Most gamers today find that pressing 123 for 8 hours straight to get 1/4 of a level isn't hardcore or difficult or innovative. It doesn't make you hardcore or skilful, it just shows that you have way too free time.

Originally posted by Gajari

I know everyone says the Abyss and stuff is fun, and the game is better later on, but I find myself always getting bored with my characters at around level 13. I'm finding it extremely hard to stay interested in playing. I'd love to find this extremely fun and want to play it non-stop and all that, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen.

I'll try and force myself to keep leveling in hopes the game picks up soon, but we'll see how that goes.

It's not a bad game at all, I just don't find it compelling for some reason. I could be just burnt out on MMO's, who knows.

Many of you all having the same problem?

I was in the same boat as you. I got to level 12, then I just couldn't be bothered to log in any more. A few days later, I thought I'd force myself to play a bit more as it was bound to get better. Then, at level 17 I finally decided that enough was enough and quit it. It was simply not fun or engaging in any way up to that point so I thought my money would be better spent elsewhere. I'm normally an altaholic in MMOs, and the thought of going through 1-17 again in Aion just made me shiver. 

Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Originally posted by Brixon

Yeah the gold farmers are running wild now. Sure there are ways to reduce the spam, but these are band-aids for a bigger problem. Does NCsoft condone this activity? If not then they need to get busy banning these morons. Sure there will always be a market for gold sellers, but you can do a simple google search to find them. People shouldn't have to put up with in game harrasment like this.

It's not that hard to fight. GM creates a level 1 character and just starts swinging the ban stick.

 

If the multi-billion a year gaming giant Blizzard can't stop them in WoW, what makes you think anyone can? Gold farmers are like the cold virus, no one wants it, but theres nothing you can do to eliminate it from the face of the planet.

Giant Blizzard can't stop them, yet a single guy at home can make a perfectly working add-on that filters all the gold messages. You simply don't get a single gold message using that filter.

So giant Blizzard really doesn't want to stop them. Neither does NCsoft.

Can you provide a link to this mystical addon that no one else can find?

Originally posted by Crashloop

Originally posted by tryklon

 Dont tell me that after some months the game still has lots of active servers, lol...

The Aion trolls are going to kill you for implieing the game has some success there

 

Aion have been released for about a year pr so I think. and last numbers I heard they have about 3+ million subscribers in Asia alone.

By western standards for MMO's I would say they are fairly successful over there :P

Do you have an official link to prove those numbers? Just asking because no one has come up with one.

 Zorndorf is just asking for a link to the official announcement of the 3.5M subs NCSoft was claiming. Haven't really seen him bash Aion. Is it really that hard to find an official link or were NCSoft blowing their own horn like they did with L2?

 Sad thing about all this is that Gameguard does not protect Aion in any way, shape or form. NCsoft totally missed the ball in thinking protecting Aion would be the same in the Asian net caffes and in Western homes. It will does not protect cheats, hackers and botters in the West as there are simply too many ways to bypass it. The only thing it does is cause problems for users. It has 0 benefits, can't think of any way in which Gameguard makes Aion a better or more secure game.

Pretty poor mistake which will cots them dearly.

Legitimate users are the only ones having problems with gameguard. You don't see cheaters, hackers and botters on these forums complaining that it is too hard to hack Aion do you. Obviously a very large percentage of players don't have issues and can run Aion fine, but quite a large number cannot or have to compromise their system to be able to.

Edit: Also, please spell check your posts when telling others how to write.

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by Raztor

The reason for this is very simple. It is VERY easy to turn it off and disabling it, which is what those that run hacks and cheats are already doing in open beta. I have never seen a security program in a game that is so easy to bypass. Believe me, the people that will hack and cheat are not having any problems with gameguard simply because they can bypass it  and run client side hacks without any issue as Aion relies 100% on gameguard for security.

Only legitimate users are having issues with gameguard because they are abiding by the EULA agreement. It basically punishes the good users because they keep it on, while the cheaters, hackers and botters are just laughing their asses off as they have 0 problems running Aion. I don't think I'm allowed to link articles and guides promoting the breaking of the EULA of Aion, but spend 5 seconds on google and you'll find them easily enough.

 

You know...I actually sympathized with some of your other posts on this issue because even though I don't have issues I'm not that foolish that I don't realize others do.  However, you're full of shit if you think everyone that is able to run aion is a hacker or doesn't have gg on.

Not sure why you went down that road.  You have about as much legitimacy with me now as those that say gg is fine and people that say it causes issues are lying or blaming gg for their hardware concerns.

Truly pathetic.

I suggest you read my post before going on a random rant. I never said or even suggested that people who run Aion fine are doing so by turning Gameguard off. I said cheaters, hackers and botters are running Aion fine because they are running with it off. Obviously a large number of legitimate players are able to run Aion fine using Gameguard. Obviously you must have missunderstood my post, so your apology is accepted.

 I've been saying this for a while so I'll just repeat it here. 

Gameguard has 0 benefits for the western market. It doesn't make Aion safer or prevent cheats/hacks/bots which is what's it's supposed to do. Releasing Aion without gameguard would provide the same security as releasing it with it.

The reason for this is very simple. It is VERY easy to turn it off and disabling it, which is what those that run hacks and cheats are already doing in open beta. I have never seen a security program in a game that is so easy to bypass. Believe me, the people that will hack and cheat are not having any problems with gameguard simply because they can bypass it  and run client side hacks without any issue as Aion relies 100% on gameguard for security.

Only legitimate users are having issues with gameguard because they are abiding by the EULA agreement. It basically punishes the good users because they keep it on, while the cheaters, hackers and botters are just laughing their asses off as they have 0 problems running Aion. I don't think I'm allowed to link articles and guides promoting the breaking of the EULA of Aion, but spend 5 seconds on google and you'll find them easily enough.

Originally posted by linren

Originally posted by Raztor

There are reports of people already using bots in the open beta, so that shows how usefull Gameguard is. It is totally useless and it beggers believe how a game company can justify using it. Never seen security software that is so easy to bypass. The only thing it's good for is screwing legitimate users over. 

 

Those people removed/disabled/bypassed Gameguard.  Of coures it is useless when something is is not active, and they removed it because it got in the way of botting.

Plenty of hackers already taught the masses how to remove or work around Gameguard.  Hackers are always one step ahead, if any other MMORPG use a software that get in the way of botting, they would attempt to remove it.  Why is this such a shock to people I don't understand.

I am going to turn off my computer and surf the web now, how do I do that with it off you ask?  I don't know, aparently if something is turned off, it is still suppose to work.

 

Hu? Way to totally miss the point. Ofcourse Gameguard doesn't work if they disabled it, that's the point, to make it NOT work so that they can hack and bot in Aion as freely as they want...

Gameguard is totally useless because it is so easy to bypass. It provides 0 security for Aion in the west. Aion is losing money not only because it's paying to use GG, but also because legitimate users get put off by it, it just screems of unprofessional development and shabby business model. Heck, you only have to look at the 70+ pages about GG thread on Aion source to see what people think of it. 

When a security program is as easy to bypass as typing "how to disable Gameguard" on google, then that program has problems.

There are reports of people already using bots in the open beta, so that shows how usefull Gameguard is. It is totally useless and it beggers believe how a game company can justify using it. Never seen security software that is so easy to bypass. The only thing it's good for is screwing legitimate users over. 

Originally posted by linren

Originally posted by Raztor

Originally posted by linren

Originally posted by Ngeldu5t

I see only one thing that can really hurt it bad....GameGuard

 

Half of what is said about Gameguard are usually based on hearsays.  Gameguard do have its share of problems, but all these problems can be traced back by the fact that Gameguard is a commerical software.  Some people only took what are said about GG on the forums to be correct, but half of them were wrong from what I researched.

Gameguard might not be the most compatible software, but it does do what it is meant to do (keep programs that it consider as cheats out).  Even though I think their method of preventing cheats are too over zealous and make people uncomfortable with using it.  Gameguard basically tried to fight fire with fire, but that fire can also burn the players somtimes, and not all are able to solve the problems themselves.

In conclusion, GG is effective in what it does, but the way it does it is rather too forceful and feels invasive to most.  There are those that disable or remove it through great effort in order to cheat, AKA goldfarmers or pure cheaters.  For those that pride themselves in their "clean" system, I have nothing to say to their misconception.

Sorry but I have to call you out on this one as it's simply not true. Gameguard is not effective at preventing cheats and bots as you claim, it is highly inefficient at that, anyone with even basic knowledge can get around it within minutes of them releasing a patch. So it doesn't do what it is supposed to do. The only thing it succeds at is causing problems for users and treating legitimate users like they are doing something wrong. Seriously, why would a legitimate consumer have to mess with their antivirus software just to get a game working, when the people that are using bots can get around it within minutes and get cheats/bots going. 

 

It just doesn't make any sense.

 

Of course it doesn't make sense. 

If you get around Gameguard by remove, disable, or get around it, why would you expect for it to be effective or even work at all?  You already basically disabled it from what it is suppose to do, and the reason why people knows how to disable it is because people with ACUTAL computer knowledge hacked it and taught the rest of the people how to do it step by step almost. 

Gamegard is in fact effective in Asian Cybercafe where players cannot hack Gameguard because it is not their computer and their access to use the computers in a cybercafe is only for gaming.  In a cybercafe only 3rd party tools can be used as a cheating mehtod in a game and GG prevents that just fine.  Basically you are telling me GG is not effective when it is disabled, then I ask of you, if I turn my computer off should I expect to be able to server the web with it?  LOL

There are ways to set anti-virus software to exceptions to GG so it can be run without conflict, this is already patched, why argue with old data?    Only real issue with GG is that it use a invasive way to hide itself and processes that is similar to rootkit, but GG does not seek to take over your computer.  Another issue is I do not understand how people can say they have enough knowledge to disable GG, but does not have enough knowledge to look up informations from proper sources..

Edit:  If you want to know why AV and Firewall use to cause problems with old unpatched GG, simply look up informations on the web, but not from a forum source.  Plenty of online sources tell you that GG and AV's issue was because it was a developed as a commercial software.

Hmm, that's one of the more stupid posts I've seen on these forums. Where exactly in my post did you read that I disabled it? I stated that it was very easy to disable it, and anyone with basic knowledge or able to use goggle can disable it. If a program is so bloody easy to disable and leave a game totally vunerable to cheats, then according to you the program is doing what it is supposed to do right? After all, if you turn a vital part of the system down, you can't expect it to work right. Do the world a favour and don't go into computer programming. 

If a security program is so easy to circumvent, then it is not doing an effective job as you claim. I honestly don't give a crap if it is effective in Korea because I don't play there. For the western market it's a very poor program that fails misserably.