Hopefully this means that TSW will be released by then!! 

Actually it already did.

Originally they called it "Walking in Stations" until they could find a name and it stuck... but it would sound lousy from a marketing perspective.

Then they called it "Ambulation" which fit, sounded good even if it was a bit long. The problem was too many people don't know what ambulation means and just kept calling it Walking in Stations.

Well they changed the talking points again and now its incarna... which makes me think that you might be getting temp clones to walk in a station. 

Finally a full browser... I guess the old explination that there wern't any affordable free render engines out there hasn't been true for quite a while now.

For a businessman like me Cosmos is sounding better all the time.

I am just wondering when they will finally put in this jukebox that can play your own music/stream your own internet radio stations in game? They have been promising it for several years now... 

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The Illuminati are the most secretive of the Secret Societies, yet they believe that power is the cornerstone in the fight against the darkness. The entrance to their underground headquarters is in an old abandoned warehouse somewhere in New York City. They are ruthless, ambitions and their organization runs like a Corporation. "Sex, Drugs and Rockefellar," is their motto and they believe in survival of the fittest. "Do or get done," is a favorite quote. They are the bad boys of the occult world and they make sure everyone knows it. Their signature weapon is the automatic assault rifle.

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Why pick Illuminati, when the designers anyway chose to ignore pretty much everything about the historical counterpart. Just stealing the name is quite lame. Yeah, you can make them an occultist corporation, since they were seen somewhat as enemies of the church and yeah, there are some conspiracy theories which connect them somehow with the USA but overall the whole idea here sounds like a lost opportunity to make something cool.
Illuminati originate in Bavaria, Germany. They are based on the idea of enlightenment (hence the name, see illuminate) and their known members were anything but low-life criminals. In fact, one of the reasons why this secret order gathered this attention was because their members were part of the elite of the German society of that time (most famous poets, composers etc.). The idea of an occult elitist organisation pulling the strings behind the scenes is what makes them interesting, not that they are a gang of punks, drug dealers and pimps.

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 First of all ALL of The Secret World is the Occult in the games eyes (as in fighting the occult, knowing about its secret existence, etc.) and to quote Ragnar Tormquist "there is no religion tied to any of the Secret Societies".

Secondly most of the histories about the Iluminatae were that they started off with good intentions, then got corrupted by power, greed, and wealth. At a certain point they supposedly shattered into subfactions.

Thirdly, while based on allot of history, some of it is fictional and rewritten as needed. Take Dragon for example. It was started in Japan, fought Russia and then China, and then allied with the Germans because of common beliefs involving Tibetan Supermen. That is if you believe they exist at all.

Before you trash it, wait and see if they make it work first, mmmkay?

I have been playing the associated ARG all the way back to when the viral campaign started online with a planted story in a European gaming mag.

I have seen the HUGE depth of research and connections they have found not just for the ARG but from the things they were finding while researching the making of this game.

I am dismayed that you are forced to join one of the Secret Societies right off the bat, as it probably would have been alot more compelling if you had to earn or be invited to join, and furthermore had the choice to buck the system and go independant.

You may have noticed that the first two Societies you have heard of from conspiracies and history, but the third one looks made up. Actually, this is not the case.  Its full name is The Green Dragon Society and it is legendary in the far east and reaches from the far past all the way through Hitler's Germany and beyond. Search for Green Dragon Society, The man in the Green Gloves, Tibet, Shambala,  and superhuman.

Also I would like to quash the rumours that there is actually a fourth faction you can join Clockwork or The Clockwork Society.  This was just created by a bunch of trolls who thought that the game had so many conspiracies in it that nobody would notice a joke one, and no one would just let it die.  It doesn't exist, There is no conspiracy... just move along.

Don't pay attention to the Sherpas an the Smothies, and for gods sake DONT FEED THE TROLLS! 

Originally posted by jiveturkey12

Originally posted by miagisan

Originally posted by HackerZC

*yawn* 

Wake me up when/if ambulation happens.

 

wake me up when you have an original response to something relevant

Wake me up when you stop buying Toby Keith CD's.

 

-Jive

Wake me up if I am dreaming but hasn't this patch been live for a week and how is it I am the first to mention this  ;-)

I am stil thuroughly hosed that they said that first we would have Ambulation, then maybe ship internals, then atmospheric flight leading to landing on planets  and having an expirience typical to most MMOs.... now they stab us in the back, change the gameplay and then give it to consolers.

I feel like I was just shived by the guy who you just spent 4 years watching out for each other, then to have him ask you "isn't that GREAT!?!?"

If you look at the video on the german site, Overur explains that it is meant to be FOR CONSOLES ONLY, DESIGNED WITH THE LIVINGROOM PLAYERS IN MIND!!!

Even as they described it they reinforced the idea that they were going to be kept seperate.

I am not only Pissed at DEAD (Dust 514[or EAD]) being only on PS3 and XBox, but that during fanfests it was suggested that after Ambulation (Walking in Stations) was finnished (and their secret WoD MMO was mostly done) that they would move the game towards more traditional MMOs on planetside and that pilots could land and do planetside Role Play type gameing, that could include conflicts and war....

It now looks like they have trown the idea of the R in RPG on planets right out the window.

As many posters have said CCP owes us nothing, but when they go against their word and lie (this game was in dev during the last fanfest of which I am talking) bold facedly to us does not bode well and makes my opinion of the company and my level of trust with them fall significantly. 

You mean I might finally get out of my NDA agreement (The second most strict I have ever seen)!!!

Under its terms I am still playing the "beta".

Oh the tales I could tell if I could tell... 

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Originally posted by wlvnspectre 

Actually UELAs are binding contracts and in North America and Europe there are acutally laws that state that if you buy a software product, open the shrink wrap/break the seal you have agreed to the Eula without even being able to see it.
Also like all contract law you can face civil proceedings including everything from being sued to fined and in some rare instances even have the hardware involved siezed and auctioned off which can include a gaming rig and all perhipherals and associated software not neccisary for employment.
Also there are laws already inplace that were intended for other things like protecting intelectual property and not interfearing with the distribution of copyrighted materials, and depending whrere you are, virtual objects and currency qualify. 

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EULA are not contracts between you and the game company, they are an agreement between you and that company. It doesn't fall under contractual law. 

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_license_agreement
http://pcworld.about.com/news/Apr092001id46764.htm
http://www.hcplive.com/mdnglive/articles/Tech_Talk_Contract_Never_Read 

Actually UELAs are binding contracts and in North America and Europe there are acutally laws that state that if you buy a software product, open the shrink wrap/break the seal you have agreed to the Eula without even being able to see it.

Also like all contract law you can face civil proceedings including everything from being sued to fined and in some rare instances even have the hardware involved siezed and auctioned off which can include a gaming rig and all perhipherals and associated software not neccisary for employment.

Also there are laws already inplace that were intended for other things like protecting intelectual property and not interfearing with the distribution of copyrighted materials, and depending whrere you are, virtual objects and currency qualify. 

This does nothing to stop gold farming, they can still amass the virtual goods in china and then just trade them out of country through a foriegn office or a middleman like a gold and item market...

Oh wait... they already do that to avoid other regulations.

This isn't to stop goldfarming, it is to stop unauthorized resale and trading of game cards and RMT credits.

MMORPG.com should change the title! 

you can just use this Contest Link  because it is easier (if you want)

To be honest, I have played the game non stop for 3 years taking no extended breaks.  The ammount of overt social manipulation I have seen in the game the way I play it has been minimal to non existant to they point I would not dignify it with the name of Social Engineering.

Oh it takes place, I know that, and some players see it more than others, and in some places in the game it is more de regure than elsewhere.  Its just like this "bleak harsh heartless cuthroat" yada yada that everybody I hear describing this game to other people when describing EVE.  I know its there but if its so pervasive why is it I and most of the players I know just don't ever see it unless they actively go looking for it or start doing things that they know will as a part of what they are doing will lead to it?

I have been in small corp wars and commercial rivalries, and even have a little black book of "Oh yes they will pay!" but I have never had the expierience of this drowning in the bile of inhuman viciousness that everyone keeps going on about.

Then again almost all of the people I see talk about this stuff fit into 2 catagories

1)Hardcore Lo/No Sec PVPrs or Corp PVPrs

2)The people who initate or take part in the acts themselves.

Now many people may say that that is the majority of the players in EVE but thats not what the QRs say.  Sizable portion, yes, but no where near the majority or players. 

HERE, HERE!!! 

Once again I find myself in the contrarian position. I couldn't disagree more with jlan26 and Stradden's one sided point of view.  I am not saying they are incorrect that that is the way the game is for them, but it isn't that way for everybody.

As a businessman in EVE I find that the more people screw other people over and try to one up over others, especially their friends and allies, the worse they do in the long run.  Don't get me wrong it does happen, and I have had to turn on people, but never with plans and malice of forethought.  I have been the victim of it and in all but one occasion I have seen them lose out on magnatudes more than they have gained.

EVE is a game that is complex and diffrent from one place in the EVE Universe to the next.

I have friends who ran in Mining Ops in Lo-Sec Space and if they left their drones out all the time their own fellow fleet members would destroy them and then shoot the miners ship into its hull leaving an expensive or time consuming result.  Having never done one with me, he took his character to a place a group of players that I would often chat with started forming pick up mining ops.  I left my drones out after a pirate attack, and when he blew up the first drone every gun in the op shot him until he was floating in his pod, even though they lost several ships.  Later they all moved to other areas, and so did I.  In the new place I was mining I had to watch the chat because they would ask a funny question every 20 minutes and if you didn't answer they would come in and mine all the nearby asteroids around you and steal from your jetisoned can as a test to locate macro miners in secure space.

Some places are hostle and some places are benign. I once was given a 2-3 million ISK Blueprint Original just because I was friendly and they never used it for anything.  I was given 2 ships for basicly runing a shuttle 2 systems over. I have also had war declared on my corp because I shot at an ore thief before he blew me up when I got stuck on a station

I agree with the broad strokes of this article, but I for one strongly disagree that staying in Empire Space Hi-Sec is a boring waste of my money.  I think there are alot of Industrialists and Mission Runners that would argue that point.  Also if it is so great in low and no sec space why do 80% of the players online usually are in high-sec?
 

I am also a little tired of people saying you can't solo in EVE.  If you are willing to go and learn the game on your own as you go it may take longer, but it is very do able.  I started playing with a group of friends, but we chose to go it without joining other corps.  We did learn from each other, but a couple of us, including me, were doing such the oposite of what everyone else was doing, that was almost no help at all.  We were so seaperated by playtimes and locations in game, were were esentially soloing it... and wee had a ball.

Its now 3 years later and we are still playing and often we help new players as we go, and for some of them, a corp is the thing they need, but we help them out... I even helped a certain gaming podcatester with a loose guide and some advice now and then.  He is taking the EVE University route and sounds like he wants to solo untill he finds fellow players he fits in with fairly later on in his gaming.

Then again I wanted to start manufacturing and researching right away, that didn't work out so well.

Oh there is something I could say about the Stargate Worlds Beta and the chance about it coming back, but the EULA prevents me..... but oh do i have something to say.

I just cant.

 I wasn't a TR player, but am I the only one who finds this final message a little patronizing with a sprinkle of marketing damage control?

I understand that If they invest $1 doing what they normally do they are used to getting X% profit back and that TR came NOWHERE near the X% profit on investment they are used to making in their market, so I can see the buisness end of it, but if it wasn't working for you SELL IT and get your money back!

The IP needed work and it was developing new MMO markets as it expanded old ones, and there are game developers that would kill for that.

Just my 2 cents