People who dont see ToR potential do not understand the MMO genre at all. Tor in its current state is much further along then WoW was at launch. It has more features and foundations set then any MMO to be released in the last 4 years.

People need to understand that MMOs need to be released in stages, first the foundation of the game has to be perfect, all the expected features should be in place and flawless, which is what Bioware has done, they have a solid foundation laid for them to add WHATEVER nexgen features they want. This time next year, SWTOR will be the one to beat, i will put money on that.

It is hilarious, The mmo genre has degraded the need for telling a story so much that people actually believe it is a hinderance when the game actually has one. I assure you all of oyu people who are against story in an MMO, forget that RPG is at the end of that acryonym. And you same people who would rather not have it because it "SLows you down" havent played the game or prefer to grind in game.

Ive done situatiations in game, where i have completely talked myself into a fight, out of a fight, talked other parties to fight each other, all netting the same xp, taking the time to enjoy the story doesnt slow you down, it adds. You start to give a shit about what happens in game, which no other MMO can claim to do.

But if you are deadset on hating the Voice overs, then, you reserve the right to smash spacebar, use it, you are only depriving yourself.

But just like how single player RPG like Skyrim are now 100% voice over, when in the past they used to be 100% text, MMOs will be walking the same road, you think blizzards next MMO wont be 100% voiced? Get used to the cutscenes.

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

Originally posted by Grotar89

I skipped 90% of VO while playing TOR, most of them are unnecessary...

Well story is only nessessary if you want to hear it, if you just want to grind mindlessly then obviously it will be a hinderance.

You realize that you can have wonderful story WITHOUT voice over?

You can also have great dialog without voice over or even without cutscenes...

 

 

I really don't like polarization saying "you're not amazed by VO then you're grinder and don't care about story" <-- this is NOT true, at least not in my case.

So you want to go back to the wall of texts? really? let me answer that for you, it is because you want to go back to fucking ignoring the story. Because lets face it, Books are awesome, audiobooks are better.  Quests are awesome, voiced quests are better.

Originally posted by Grotar89

I skipped 90% of VO while playing TOR, most of them are unnecessary...

Well story is only nessessary if you want to hear it, if you just want to grind mindlessly then obviously it will be a hinderance.

Originally posted by Kenze

just a gimmick. I doubt even Bioware will continue with full VO's in futre content.

Because their gaming track record has proved this right?

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

Originally posted by Krytycal

I beta tested Tabula Rasa, it was terrible from the start. SWTOR felt nothing like it.

The feeling i get is more like the feeling of my first 20 levels in the beta of AoC... Or the beta of WoW.

 

Good thing everyone bailed on WoW during its beta test eh... i mean we all know how that turned out....

The difference between this game and Tabula rasa is, Bioware/EA have the resources to make this game succeed. And this game is nowhere near Tabula rasa, the mere comparrision is offensive. The only glaring issue with the game is the lack of character customization, all the core elements are there, the UI thing is not gamebreaking especially since they said they will be allowing player mods post launch.

The people on these forums... seem to go out of their WoW spread negativity about thsi game, its as though they hope it fails.

Originally posted by Puuk

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

Those of you who are against mirriored classes, are the minority, plain and simple... 

 

Really? And how did you come to that factual conclusion? I'd venture to say that the majority of modern MMORPG players are looking for uniqueness - something different. Having mirrored classes is counter to uniqueness. Classes don't have to be so different that it requires an MBA to fully grok the class abiities, but some differentiation would be nice, especially in a Star Wars game.

How did i come to that conclusion, well by looking at every other MMO, the same way bioware did, or did you think they did zero research, actual research before creating thier game?

Those of you who are against mirriored classes, are the minority, plain and simple.  Mirrored classes,e specailly from the pvp side is a good thing, it means people can choose to play waht they want to play.

So every class is unique, i guess i can only play one faction,  i hope my friends are playing that faction, i hope my guild wants to play that faction.

I dont get all this sudden hate on mirriored classes, since when is it a bad thing? Name one mmo, just one, that doesnt have mirrored classes.

Originally posted by Svarcanum

Originally posted by CazNeerg

Originally posted by Svarcanum

I rather played without my companion. He was more a nuisance than anything. The horrid AI had me micro him all the time and he detracted from my own epicness by just being there!

What game were you playing?  The AI was the closest to flawless I have ever seen for a pet system.

That was quite far from my experience. My pet *always* broke CC unless I turned that ability off (so I had to micro that ability basically, was a high dmg cleave type attack). After I initiated combat he generally took some 4secs to even start moving towards the fray. And to add insult to injury it usually took him quite long (not as long) to find a new target after his old had gone down. Flawless? Well, not really.

If you cc the companion autmatically changes target, even if he is in mid cast. Ive never had my companion break cc.

Nonsense, if they made kotor 3 it wouldnt have anywhere near the depth of this game, do you think you could play 8 full story lines with kotor 3? Have a chance to interact with thousands of other people?

The fact of the matter is this, you can play the game on 8 different characters and experience 8 very fufiling stories, and you can do it all on your own. There is zero forced grouping when it comes to the main story line, absolutely none, you can go through the entire game not not speak to a single other person.

This complaint that they shouldve just done kotor 3 is the most asinine thing ive read on the swtor subject, the truth of the matter is, this is better, MMOs are the future, and i assure you, bioware wont be making another single player game for a long time to come. They want their game to be a living entity, and that is something you cannot achieve with a single player title.

Its only done in the noob zones, and it has to be done, do you understand how rdiclous it would be to have 5000 people in one zone all fighting for the same spawns as they fight their way to the real game?

Sharding is a tool to stave off player frustration, it has to be done. after launch i highly doubt you will see any sharding on any of the starter planets after people have had time to spread out.

So an rpg with voice acting doesnt qualify as an MMO... You wrote a lot of text but clearly you didnt  think about that statement before you made it.

THe problem with past MMORPGs are they took the RP out of the game, so it just became a massive online game, with no story and no purpuse besids pwning other players, not unlike a mindless fps game. Now that bioware has done this level of story telling it will change the genre, trust me.

Once you actually play the game, like i have you will see that this level of cinimatic story telling adds so much to the game, that you will miss not having it in past games. Or at the very least get you to shut the fuck up, because complaining about too much voice acting is ridiculous.

Took me 4 hours... time to get better internet.

I get that same feeling when playing, people may say theyw ill only do their class quest but when you see how they did every quest in this game, and how they all run into each other, you will feel  likw you are watching the movie of you, of hour your charcater lived in the universe of TOR, you dont feel like  acommo foot soldier thats for sure. Or some hired interchangable thug.

Originally posted by Distopia

TBH I think forum asshats should be banned from services be it the boards or the games. But that's just me.

So, i spend 200 bucks on games, and because i say a few harsh words to some weak willed person, maybe yourself, i should be banned from playing them, not just banned from the forums, something that is non essencial and optional but banned from the product i paid for?

That is a good business decision, im sure you will retain repeat customers with that policy.

Originally posted by Unlight

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

I dont get it, why is EA seen as the fucking devil for wanting to make more money off THEIR IP?

EA is a bigger company with much more resources then steam, why the fuck do they need to keep any of their product on steam? They only reason steam exists is because no other company felt it was nesssary to make a program like steam on pc, now they do, lets pull all the major devolopers away from steam and see which will survive the fall out.

I highly doubt Steam(valve) would be able to survive with just their games and in the grand scheme of things, origin might be buggy as fuck now, but i highly doubt this time next year it will have any trouble snuffing out steam, if that was their goal.

 

Their goal is to simply say, hey, you like this ea game, check out all of these ea games. And origin doesnt only sell pc games, it sells and ships xbox, and ps3 games, it uses the cloud system, the program itself is still in beta, it says that clearly, but whatever you think about it, EA is entitled to make their own program, its not greed its business.

 

I dont know why people think EA should pay steam to host their game when they can do it themselves.

Yeah, let's not, OK?  The last thing I want is two dozen portal programs on my computer with two dozen accounts and two dozen logins, just so I can play all my games.  The beauty of Steam is that it caters to all games, not just Valve's.  That's a positive, not a negative.  Now, if I wanted to play EA games, I'll need another Steam-like service, but one that carries only EA's garbage.  Luckily, I don't want any of their shoddy crap so it doesn't much affect me.  It would though, if others decided to do the same thing.

The most important thing for me is to have all my games in one place so that I always know where they are and I can always revisit them in the future.  I never need to worry about missing disks and CD keys and I never need to worry about making sure my games stay up-to-date, regardless of who made those games.  That goes to hell if everyone tries to do their own inferior version of Steam.  And that also means less money going to them because there are *many* titles out there that I would never have bought if they hadn't been advertised on Steam.  That includes the last EA product I ever bought.

 

Yeah but you are wrong and you dont.

I actually own battlfiedl 3, i dont even have origin open, i have battlelog as my homepage and i play the game from that. Ive been in the swtor beta test weekend and they have their own client, while it does put the game in origin, you dont need to open it at all, you can just you the seperate launcher.

All you people bitching about origin, like i siad, simply want something to be angry about, because unlike steam, origin does not force you to use it to play their games. Yeah you need to associate the cd key with origin, but you dont ned it to run the game after the game is installed.

Originally posted by zevni78

Originally posted by jpnz

How is making a platform for customers to buy their products 'milking us'?

Are all platform makers like STEAM or ITUNES milking us now?

That doesn't make any logical sense.

 

I already said, I love steam, I have a lot of games via it, and find that convenient, and it would be even more so if EA's games where allowed to run on it. The point is, both the deals you get and the fact that it's a lot of games through a single system is efficient. However, if every major publisher decided to pull their products off a common and popular system, so they could make a little bit extra by having their own, we'd all end up with dozens of steam-style systems forced on us, with often no more than 1 or 2 games on each one, and with all the ram and security issues that would cause.

 

That is a logical extrapolation.

 

No one asked for origin, EA didn't want Steam to get it's cut, and so we have an involuntary loyalty system that penalizes through its inconvenience, if this was about anti-piracy or curbing second hand games (another annoying issue) Steam would have been enough for that. This is about getting more money from us, ask anyone using Origin if they’d rather just have it all on Steam, which they would most likely have already anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

I dont get it, why is EA seen as the fucking devil for wanting to make more money off THEIR IP?

EA is a bigger company with much more resources then steam, why the fuck do they need to keep any of their product on steam? They only reason steam exists is because no other company felt it was nesssary to make a program like steam on pc, now they do, lets pull all the major devolopers away from steam and see which will survive the fall out.

I highly doubt Steam(valve) would be able to survive with just their games and in the grand scheme of things, origin might be buggy as fuck now, but i highly doubt this time next year it will have any trouble snuffing out steam, if that was their goal.

Their goal is to simply say, hey, you like this ea game, check out all of these ea games. And origin doesnt only sell pc games, it sells and ships xbox, and ps3 games, it uses the cloud system, the program itself is still in beta, it says that clearly, but whatever you think about it, EA is entitled to make their own program, its not greed its business.

I dont know why people think EA should pay steam to host their game when they can do it themselves.

You people really never visit the official forums eh...

{mod edit} because the devs already said you dont need origin to play the digital, retail, beta, or any version of swtor.

Lol i dont think any serious SWTOR follower is worried about this game retaining 17% of its players.

There is something fascinating about cheapskates who complain because they dont want to pay extra. Digital version is 79.99, the ce is 149.99 A difference of 70 bucks.

Now ask yourself, is it worth paying 70 bucks, yes, buy it, no? then dont. But if you choose no, dont bitch and call the company evil. I find it hard to believe that in the 6 month timeframe that the CE was announced you cant spare the extra 70 bucks.