Originally posted by GhostKrook

Sure it's all game mechanics and all, but the whole mindset of who can screw who out of the most gear/isk is what killed eve for me. Use to love the game, but like it says, haters gonna hate, and I sure hate what eve evolved into after all these years. Its really a game of greed now, 1 effective spy can topple the biggest of corp's, one person can destroy years of work, it's the biggest thrill in eve anymore, who can be the biggest thief. So if you love back handed, deceptive type games, ignore the space flight part of the game like most do, and just try to be the friendliest/helpful person you can be, earn trust, and topple the big guys once they trust you. When you are bored, you can shoot stuff in your space ship.

 

If a someone is concerned with one person destroying years of work that someone needs to get a life.  what you do in EVE or any other game that you spend years playing is rob your real life of hours of productivity in order to achieve what? something that isn't real.  If one person can take it all away, all that does is help you see (I hope) what a fool you have been to devote so much energy for something that is in fact nothing.   If you are going to throw a significant portion of your life away on this particular form of entertainment, then acknowledge that that is all it is and that is all you are doing.  "I built an empire in an imaginary world and one person came and took it all away, boo hoo."  Call the waambulance.  Get out of games and build something real and meaningful. Then at least if someone comes and takes it all away you will have developed the skills to put it all back in place better, stronger and smarter, and it will still be real and meaningful.  And by the way, if you think being able to do this sort of mischief is "the biggest thrill in eve anymore" then you don't have a clue why most people play the game, you can only be talking about yourself.  Maybe someone beat you at your own game of spy vs spy and this is just sour grapes.

Originally posted by Xondar123

In real life there are laws against stuff like this. The fact that no such laws exist in the EVE universe means that EVE is actually lawless.

I can't see this as being anything other than a black mark against EVE, at least where the non-hardcore player is concerned.

 

 What some people don't want to acknowledge is that scamming, con-schemes, whatever separates you from your isk are as valid a form of PvP as gang bang gate camps or suicide ganks.   And I absolutely agree with someone who posted the remark that victims of scammers are usually greedy people and therefore deserve to be scammed.  The way I like to say it is that Every mark deserves his conman. 

I figured out in the market in old Everquest what the real meaning of greed is.  Some people think that if I invent something valuable or go out and kill some badass mob that drops something valuable and I set a price on it that you can't afford, that makes me greedy.  Those people are wrong.  If you want something that you don't have the skills to invent or the skills to defeat the mob that drops it but I do and you want me to sell it to you at a price that you set that I don't agree with, I being the one who invested the time to develop the necessary skills, it is you who are greedy, wanting something before you have a right (through earning) to possess it.

And once we agree on a price, if you find a way to get it cheaper later, don't cry to me about cheating you and I won't cry about being cheated by you if I find someone willing to pay even more than you did.  The fact that we agreed on a price when the item exchanged hands means the price was a fair price at that moment.

EVE lawless?  the laws of EVE are Darwinian.  Stupidity is injurious, extreme stupidity is fatal.  But if you are lucky , then you will discover what I have, That which kills us makes us stronger.

What does that phrase non-hardcore player mean?  if you aren't in EVE because you like what it offers to all level of player, then you should find some non-hardcore game to play instead.

I've never gotten into any of the Anime style games, Final fantasy or any of the others, but Compelling is a very good word for what I just saw.  Even without the mandatory abundance of breasts.

I have a feeling that most people are currently satisfied with the level of sophistication in animation, given that interaction has steadily improved.  You can now walk between and crouch under environmental obstacles you once had to walk around.  And as for jumping up on top of, what used to be Forget about it, is now taken for granted.

There is an image on the communities page of the new PvP MMO Darkfall that intrigues me.

http://www.darkfallonline.com/community/

An Ork female (I believe) is lifting a human female with her (the Ork) left hand around the throat of the smaller female.  She is poised to bash the human's brains in with a right cross to the skull with a fist as big the human's head.  Meanwhile the human has her right leg over the left shoulder of the Ork as her left hand grips the wrist of the Ork hand clutching her throat and her  (the Human) right hand is drawing back to strike at the Ork's unprotected head with a 1H sword.

Forget about better animation and the graphics capability needed for that, I wonder how long it will be before we are able to have this level of close quarters hand to hand combat in a game.  I mean, after ten years of hacking or bashing an enemy and watching a health meter drop with each succesful blow or strike, I want to see a sword glance off a piece of armor or have to be wrenched out of a deep wound.  I want to see the KIND and Quality of contact affect the health and stamina and agility of the opponent.  You hit me in the eye or chest with an arrow, and I will probably be incapacitated, not just lose 20 points of health.  But you hit me in the fleshy part of my shield arm with the same arrow as I am rushing towards you, and I may still be able to cut off your bow hand at the wrist.

Is there anyone else interested in this sort of combat realism?

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Originally posted by trogwolf

Originally posted by sadeyx

Ok, so ive not played the game.  But even if the reviews "opinion" is a bit distorted, I dont see anyone claiming that his description of the UI is incorrect!

Waiting to die for upto a minute?

No feedback on hits and misses?

No story line or lore?

No TUTORIAL ?

Lawl, I dont care if if the review was personal,  Darkfall is fail.

As much as I despise the following phrase, It fits you to a T.  Go back to WoW, carebear.

 First off, soon as you use "hater" in your posts you automatically label yourself as one of those posters who can't stand anyone who criticizes their games.  Pretty hard to have a discussion about a game when you want to label any critics as "haters".

Then you had to throw out the "carebear" label.  All I have to say is, learn to discuss a game without calling those that disagree names.  It just makes you look like a silly fanboy running around with blinders on. 

 

You use the phrase "discuss(ion about) a game" twice in defending Criticism of a game by someone who admittedly has NEVER played.  Someone who hasn't played a game has no right to express an opinion about it, since (s)he has no first-hand knowledge.  You can claim that everyone has a right to their opinion, but in fact, that so called "right" is a privilege earned by those with factual knowledge.  I make this claim because the one expressing the opinion does so in a forum with the expectation of being taken seriously.  No one can take such an opinion seriously when everything they have to say that matters, ie related to gameplay, is based on someone else's opinion.  I could respect their opinion if it was their own, instead of someone else's that they have regurgitated. 

I use the terms whiners and haters according to my own definition, which loosely is anyone who makes a decision to do one thing and then, when they decide they should have made a decision to do something else, they blame someone else for their bad decision.  Everyone goes out (or in) and throws their money and time away on a variety of diversioons.  Sometimes they do it blindly, taking a chance on satisfaction.  Sometimes they do it based on recommendations and other information.  Not everyone is going to be satisfied with what they spend their money on every time.  Get over it.  Make a better decision next time.  Better yet, stop throwing away your time and money on diversions and get a real life, instead.  No one who IS satisfied with the choice they made wants to listen to a bunch of whiners pissing and moaning about their dissatisfaction, or filling up forums with hateful remarks about the people responsible for the game (or whatever) that failed to satisfy.  You tried it and didn't like it?  Hey, better luck next time.  Please go one about your business.  

I don't much like the term carebear, or the phrase go back to WoW.  I don't even know what most people mean by carebear when they use the term, except what I can infer from context, and there's nothing wrong with WoW, it appeals to the masses.  But there seems to be a mindset which, when encountered, eveokes this reaction: the desire to banish the offending party - that would be Sadeyx, in this case - back to the masses from which he seems to have ventured.  The phrase that embodies that reaction is, "Go back to WoW, carebear".  Whatever carebear means, it seems to fit the context.  Your criticism would be just if the person who had earned the label carebear (within the phrase as used) had ever played the game.  Since he is not qualified to discuss the game due to lack of first hand experience, he is doubly disqualified to criticise it.  You don't have to be a fanboy with blinders on to see the injustice in coming onto a forum and puting down a game you never played. 

"Is this not the typical sales tactics of "exclusivity"?

Orthedos, what are you even talking about?  Do you imagine that I work for Aventurine?  You've got to be kidding me.  Saying something is not for everyone is almost trite.  even WoW is not for everyone.  Although it tries pretty hard.  But, somehow, people get the idea that everything new should appeal to everyone, and anyone who finds something less than satisfying must have been cheated.  That is simply ridiculous.  You take your chance, you spend a little money, you spend a little time, and if you discover that the experience doesn't suit you, you try again somewhere else.  that's how it is.  That's how it will be for your entire life.  If you haven't figured that out yet, whoever you are out there reading this, you might as well get used to it now.

Originally posted by sadeyx

Ok, so ive not played the game.  But even if the reviews "opinion" is a bit distorted, I dont see anyone claiming that his description of the UI is incorrect!

Waiting to die for upto a minute?

No feedback on hits and misses?

No story line or lore?

No TUTORIAL ?

Lawl, I dont care if if the review was personal,  Darkfall is fail.

So you think it is "Fail" to give your party up to a minute to find an opportunity to revive you?  I guess you are too fail to find out that you can terminate the clock yourself after a few seconds if you aren't in a party situation where someone is available to revive you.

You haven't played, which makes your comments fail by default, but who says their is no tutorial?  Like many games your beginner quests are the tutorial.

What do you even mean by feedback on hits and misses?  You hit, you see blood, you see the health meter go down, and the dialog box tells you EXACTLY how much health and stamina your target lost due to your hit.  What other feedback do you require?

Storyline and Lore?  I guess you haven't been to the website in addition to not having played.

Why did you even bother to post to this thread?

As much as I despise the following phrase, It fits you to a T.  Go back to WoW, carebear.

A couple of months ago I read a review of Darkfall on this website by Paragus Rants, a player in the game.  The review seemed to me to be very Objective.  More importantly to me, it included enough information for a fan of Asheron's Call, Shadowbane and EVE Online to buy the game and try it out. 

While waiting to buy the game I noticed that the forums for Darkfall itself were full of posts by Whiners and Haters, as I call them, most of which I ignored, since I am capable of reaching my own conclusions about whether I want to play a particular game.

I have played almost every day since I was able to purchase the game and I really enjoy it.  BUT IT ISN'T FOR EVERYONE.  The developers have a unique vision for what their game should be.  In many ways Darkfall is like a lot of games you may have already played, and in many other ways it differs.  If you play the game you will discover that if you liked playing Asheron's Call, Shadowbane, EVE Online and any other similar MMORPG on a PvP server, then you are likely to enjoy Darkfall. 

If you are a potential buyer who makes decisions based on reviews, then I recommend reading the excellent reviews by Paragus Rants.  I haven't bothered to look at the Eurogamer review, since I am already in game.  I recommend the game personally, but you may not like the very individual choices made by the developers.  They have a very firm idea of what they want their game to be.  So far I like their choices.

The only real problem in the game is the same problem a player faces in any game - new players on the server will have a bit of a challenge coping with players who were on since the first month.  But this is true in all of these games.  If and when there is a new server, whether Eropean or American, there will be a slightly better opportunity to play on a level field, but late comers to PvP games will always be behind the curve to veteran players, regardless of the game.  So, no problem.  Just get in a guild and get good at what you like to do best.

And remember, it may be PvP but it is still a game.  Enjoy yourself and have a good time.  And when you stop having fun, find a different way to spend your time.  If you keep doing something you don't enjoy, and become a Whiner and a Hater, you have also become a Fool, if you weren't one already.  See Dick play, see Dick lose interest.  See Dick keep playing and start whining.  Don't be a Dick.