Nice that Terror From the Deep made the list. X-COM what a great series, but damn that game was hard.

#1 Funcom (AoC hype and lies...and continued lying)

#2 Obsidian (NWN2 - it makes AoC bugs look like a polished game)

#3 Sony (They just don't seem to be a company that cares)

Great and interesting read. It's these little things that really stand out for me. It also shows the care and passion that is put in, and it all adds up in the end. I hope the people at NCSOFT NA continue their great work.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by metalhead980

Originally posted by Gameloading

Why is this in the news section? Big clans/alliances/guilds get Disbanded all the time

 

You don't get much bigger then BoB.

this is one of those historic gaming moments.

 

Hardly, it's a game with about 250k subscribers or so its far from a "hisoric gaming moment". Guilds backstab each other all the time, the only reason this gets posted here is because part of the EVE community is known for being a bunch of drama queens.

You sound like a complete idiot. And it's obvious you don't or haven't played Eve very long (active 1 year or more). Yes, 250k subscribers....oh yeah all on ONE server.

There is no mmo game that even comes close. WoW is like maybe 20k per server, and maybe 5k concurrent connetions. Eve has sometimes up to 30-40k people playing at the same time.

Furthermore, add to the sandbox of Eve and how the players shape the world and is Eve...there is no comparison in MMO history. You thinking it's not that big deal shows me how little knowledge you actually have of Eve and MMOs in general...

ah a '04 login...great another WoW player who thinks he "knows" MMOs.

Edit: Shadowbane had such things, but not on such a global scale. They were server specific guilds and they didn't rule the server since almost the game conception till now (around 5 years). BoB directly and indirectly influenced how Eve was played by thousands if not 10s of thousands of players.

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Had this been any other MMO, Id have agreed that it was epic, but since were talking about Eve, not so much...

I guess you are puting your opinion about Eve over the fact and impact of the situation. If you claim it isn't epic, then please state other things in other MMOs (in game) that can compare?

Basically, an alliance (i.e. guild of guilds) that has dictated the world of a sandbox MMO for like 5 years has now finally been put to rest (at least for now). Please, give me another example of such a guild/alliance in any other MMO with as much impact and influence as BoB held over a game world.

There are a few incidents in MMOs that I will personally remember. One is Lord British getting PK-ed in UO, and this. And I have played MMOs for a long ass time.

Wow, epic.

Thanks for the heads up, I haven't played Eve in a while so I haven't been keeping track of all the drama. This will go down in the MMO history books. It's literally an end of an era in Eve.

Well with regards to DFO, I think it will be a much better game, regardless if they deliver everything they are promising. The devs seem to be gamers first, and marketers second. They want to create a game that they themselves want to play, which seems to be much closer to home for a lot of the old UO fans...about openness to the player.

Furthermore, they are creating this game around PvP, not as an after thought like so many MMOs, which eventually butcher classes and spells in the name of "balance."

Their ideology of what an MMO should be and their idea of PvP is just so right that even if it is subpar, I feel it will be much better than things like AoC (and really, I had such high hopes for this game).

I gave the game 5/10, which is not enough for me to continue to play. So I have unsubscribed even though I preordered and was part of Early Access.

The game had great potential, but really lack of understanding some of the fundamentals of MMO messed up this game.

- chat, friends, and party system, general UI is horrible. It is clunky, annoying, and I feel I am constantly fighting with it (this is a fundamental flaw, this is an MMO chatting, partys, and friends and guilds, etc should be one of the easiest things to be able to do!)

- bugs (ok, it's a new game, but it shouldn't be out yet. I feel it's still in beta. The bugs in the interface and video are horrible and just annoying

- PvP on the PvP servers are ok, but the devs have no real clue about PvP. They initially had zones and rez spawns with no immunity timer so people would insta die upon rez (hehe). Other on going changes to classes, feats, and spells and "balance" to PvP shows that this was barely tested. They are making some horrible changes, and show they have no clue what they are doing

- graphics = great->amazing? (I wouldn't know I play on lowest-lowest settings with 5-10 fps)

- quests: repeative. For example the Ruins quest, i think you have to run to the Ruins, to the very far end and back to town about 5 times to actually finish some of the quests

- quest UI: I think it's great, here they did a good job

- Terrain: beautiful looking but some what linear...as someone has said I don't feel the "openess" of the MMO world. This is just my opinion.

Currently, I recommend save your money.

Originally posted by lillin

How is your account over three years old?  I mean the game will be out three full years once November 9th 2007 hits?

I hate to defend sony but i also hate people who dont think about something before they post it, its ok though your mad and mad people dont think clearly.

Thing about the warping, its not easy to prosecute.  When i first bought this dual core pc and put all the goodies on the comp, my toon would have moments of normal play, super slow play, and times i could run across commonlands in a snap literally.  This went on for a couple weeks and i thought it was just sonys servers since new expansion came and it was just lag spikes.  Well it kept happening and i did some research on the forums to find sony's prefered way to patch it.  It works fine now but this can happen to many others who may not even read the forums to find out what is going on.

Your first screw up was posting information bout the toon, ie name, guild, server.  When you add a supposed violation with that name its now considered an attempt to black list that player.

Ok so you back up your blacklisting with a fraps video, good for you but not on soe forums.  A video can be altered, and we all know there are alot of mmo players with alot of free time on thier hands that doing something, like editing a picture or fraps video to ban someone, is not far past them.  Also what you percieve as warping may be your own bad video lag or connection lag.

To sum it all up, use your /petition and let the cs/gm team investigate it ......................... trust me they do ban people they find guilty of said accusation.  When say a 100 people actually use the petition system on one person then they really know something is up ............ or maybe some guy just black listed this guys name in the forums cuase he stole his node ?

You will see this kinda crap in every mmo you play sadly so ill look for the copy paste job of this post in age of conan forums soon lol.

PS sony make your petition system more user friendly.

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First of all you say you "hate people who post before  they think" that is a bit harsh, but then again you hate yourself by your own definition. Let me clarify.

1) How can I have played this game for 3 years, if you claim that the game will be 3 years in Nov 2007, then why does my account have a veternan 3 year reward? And even if it hasn't been exactly 3 years, my point was I have been playing this game a long time. Let's not get too picky, ok. Perhaps it's been 2.5 years, is that good for you? You are really pulling at straws.

2) yes, it could have been video lag or connection lag, but again in my last post I specifically said that I talked to the rest of my party the first time we saw him and they all saw it too. Furthermore he was a _known_ warper, meaning they have seen him before and did the same thing in the past. Again, I know warping between lag, I thought I made that crystal clear, but I guess not for the slow witted.

3) and yes, I put his character info on the forum, because I wanted the GMs to investigate and furthermore for other people to see it and if they also saw it or saw him doing it before would also post "yes I saw him do it too." You said they might do something after 100 people petition. That is a joke. If that is the kind of response you think is worthy then I can see why you might defend Sony.

Look at their petition system is sucks, all one can do is really do /petition <name> no description or much of it. Do you really think this is a system designed to give feedback from the players or a system designed to be as easily ignorable as possible? Your expectations are quite low, thus I can see why Sony does what they do. The bottom feeders just accept things the way they are.

4) it's true there are people to do have a lot of time and distort videos and such for some kind of lame revenge thing (I guess). Thus, again, and I will state it again for the third time, I did not expect the ban of this person or black list, I wanted the GMs to investigate. I posted the thread with his info so that other posters could have a chance to also say "yes, I have seen it too" to confirm what I say..and perhaps make up that magic 100 people number that you think is required for any action at all on Sony's part.

If a video fraps and all the information about the character and the situation should not be given, how do you suggest one should then go about it? I guess it must look like a post stating  'some guy which I can't state the name, guild or server was doing something, which I can't show any video of, but hey take my word for it." I did the exact opposite and used evidence and specific information to help the investigation.

5) so you expect to see this copy and paste on the AoC forums? I hope so, if people care about a game and want to help the company find holes in their game. Though I really don't blame anyone but Sony. They are the ones that have not patched this exploit, and the game has been out for a long time. They are the ones that seem to not really take direct or active action against said exploit, since people still do it and openly do it. From my experience, nothing really will happen. Frapping the cheater obviously does nothing. One can't give the information (as per what you state and against the Forum rules), and one has to wait till many people report just for an investigate (100 petitions?).

You see, the problem with such a high number of petitions is as people petition and see nothing gets done, and evidence doesn't seem to matter (ie video) less people will report. For example, I won't bother reporting warpers anymore, because...what's the point.

Many people feel the same way as me that I have talked to. In fact, no one I have talked to about this has had a positive thing to say and all have gone to "don't bother Sony does nothing." You are in fact the first person that has said different, which makes me wonder...Sony employee? j/k.

Originally posted by Xanrn

So you did something any other company would react the same to, that makes SOE bad.

You don't accuse people on Public Forums, try it on any other Game Forum and see how long the thread lasts.

There are official channels for this /petition /report which actually get to the people who are in charge.

Also yes a Video is an accusation and yes its a one sided story. You know there is this thing called lag.

Newsflash Age of Conan will have hackers, it will have hackers from the time it launches to the time the plug is pulled.

Like every other game on the internet, infested with scumbag hackers.

Interesting responses, and I agree with most from what was written. I am only going to respond to this poster, since he really doesn't make any real point. This isn't lag. I have played enough to know what lag is. It was warping. Why?

I have probably killed about over 3000 people in Nag with my characters, so I have pvped enough to know what lag is. But when you and your party look fine as well as everything else and you see a guy jumping all over your screen that is warping. Again, that was just one video, but we saw him before doing the exact same thing, which is why I was ready for him for fraps. Also, I was discussing what I saw with my group members and some knew this guy to be a warper and all saw the same thing I did.

Furthermore, warping is a very real issue in EQ2, and if you played it enough and saw the video you would know it wasn't a case of lag.

Anyways, yes I have talked to a few people about the issue and the concensus is about the same. Just don't bother since Sony does nothing. This evidence stands because people still do it. I saw another 70 champion FP warping today. People do it because they know the reprecussions are minimal if any. Any other respectable game would hunt down hackers and ban their account, not care about doing nothing so those cheaters keep paying subscription fees.

You mention AoC that they will have cheaters,etc. The real issue isn't that these problems exist (nothing is perfect), it's how the company response to these issues. From what I have heard from many other players (and unfortunately a positive response story can be counted on 1 hand and perhaps 1 finger) is that Sony does nothing.

Anyways, this post was more of a heads up to players thinking about playing EQ2 and other or future Sony games (fyi, this is my first and last Sony game)

Again, I didn't state that action should be made by my video (like banning) only that they should take note of this player and keep an eye on him. The fact that they completely rejected it and dismissed it is another thing.

And if a video of a person cheating isn't evidence...then what is?

Well this game is pretty old. I mean my account is over 3 years old, yet hacking and cheating still exist in this game and everyone knows about it. So the question is, how is this possible? Is Sony to lazy to fix it, care?

A common way to cheat is by warping. So a group of us are pvping as usual on the Nagafen server and we come across a warper. He obviously gets away by warping off our screen in a matter of seconds, even though we all have 45% sow. We report him (not sure what that will do really), so I get my fraps ready for the next time we see him. Sure enough to come across him and I turn it on.

I then make this post on the forums, hoping some sort of action will be taken and that more action would be taken on cheaters by Sony (which doesn't seem to be the case from everyone that I have heard...hence the open cheating).

I post the name, guild, server, and faction of the cheater and just suggest that the GMs keep an eye on him, since he is an known cheater. Here is the vid I made.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvqMOF2qV3s

So then I get the respose:

I removed your "warper frapped" thread.

If you believe another player is behaving inappropriately in-game, please use /petition to report this.  Making accusations such as this on the forums is inappropriate as it is only a single side of the story.  Please do not make accusations regarding other players misconduct on the official forums as it amounts to blacklisting.

So yes, Sony believes a video recording of a cheater is an "accusation" and only "one side of the story" (bahahaha) yet they know that warping exists, and that people do it. Furthermore, my account is over 3 years old, and I have made about 2 posts total on the forums, so it's not like I have ever made such a post before.

It's a good game, but my last Sony game...waiting till Age of Conan and then be rid of Sony forever. The lack of caring really is a downer. Too bad really.

Originally posted by Moobkrad

Originally posted by MrTumN3s

Dont bother,

I got the game, installed, played for about 10 minutes, got bored so fast, quit, uninstalled. End of story.

That's not even considered a try. A try would be, to at least go through the tutorial.