As SE tends to point out, guild Leeves are going to be a big part of the game. If i remeber correctly they even said they would be occasionally switching up what guild leeves you can do from time to time, so people don't just grind the same ones and that there is always a fresh batch of new ones to try. Now that they are trying to appeal to more then just the more hardcore, i can bet it will defnitly be toned down from FFXI, it just makes sense. 

 I played from 05-09 and it's by far the best MMO ive played next to EQ1. They seems to have learned a great deal from FFXI and still want to cater to them first and formost, so it's very unlikely this will be another WoW-like game. Since this is not a level based game i think its going to be a very diffrent experience to FFXI, but no so unfimilar that it pushes the loyal fanbase away.

 To be honest a lot of FFXI fans (myself included) where actually more worried it would be too "questy" and WoW-like then it being too close to FFXI. I'd say we have to wait until Beta info starts rolling out  before we can make any solid assumptions.

 Also it's going to make it intresting how LFG itself will work. I'm guessing they will have to make it much deeper and give us a lot more info on the players becuase everything is skill based, and many people will have very diffrent set ups.

 Sony is planning on adding in cross game chat soon, but sadly they want to make it a feature of the "pay monthly" thing. I was kind of pissed something simple like that is not part of the normal game, not having group, and ingame/cross game chat is a huge reason a lot of my friends stick to X360 for MP stuff. Heck even when we play PS3 stuff, we use XBL to chat because its easyer and the sound quality isn't so different between all th different bluetooth headsets, on XBL there is 2 headsets to choose from and they all work the same way.

Originally posted by svann

If you are already playing with people in other languages that you cant communicate with by typing then I think that pretty much invalidates the point that headsets make you unable to communicate with people that wont buy headsets.  You already accepted the fact that it is ok for a game if not everyone can communicate effectively, and at least if there is a problem with the lack of a headset the players still have the option to type.  With different languages you dont even have that. 

like in FFXI, there is the auto-translate feature. It's not the most effective way to talk with people from other regions, but it does help to get basic points by. The fact that we are playing on mixed servers and the fact that its cross platform (one being a microsoft and the other Sony based product) doesn't make putting in voice communication easy to do. I think 80%+ people don't mind using outside means to talk, liek skype, vent, or private chat on PSN.

 did you even read my post? you can have 2 characters and still pay less then all the other MMOs, so basically unless you need more then 3 characters (which is unessicary)  then your actually spending less. Its like having the choice to save or pay the normal price and have 3 character slots. If its "LAME" then create another 2 characters and you'l pay JUST as much as every other game. Every game has a limit on how many characters you can make, but to play more then 1 class you need to have those extra slots, where as FFXI you were attached to that 1 character and can do everything on it. 

Originally posted by Sixpax

 

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Originally posted by Satimasu

 

Isn't it true that in other MMO's you get a bunch of character slots to make extra ones? How is that any different from XI, besides that fact that you have to pay for extra ones?

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The fact that you do have to pay is exactly the point though. In FFXI you could open your wallet and buy an advantage over someone will less characters than you paid for. Would it be any different if SE introduced a cash shop in FFXI that allowed you to have a 2nd mog house, mailbox, and increased auction house slots? Nope... well aside from the fact that some would go ballistic and slam SE for doing such a thing. The nerd rage would be legendary. Yet those same people think it's perfectly fine to buy mules.

you also don't realize that FFXI was CHEAPER then every other MMO. they only charged 12.95 per month where as others chared 15$, so you could pay 1$ extra, have the mule and still not pay as much as all of the other major MMOs. Also that fact that not everyone needed the mules, becuase they where more casual or did not hang onto as much as others, they could experience everything in the game (which includes every nations story (which a lot of games make you re-roll to do) without having to re-roll just to try another class. 

 I'm pretty sure they ment it in a different way, but we all know Wada and his crazy jibber jabber. Thought that would be possible if they could pump out major revamps all the time and change the graphics, but being made for the PS2 that was clearly not possible. To hold that against them is pointless, they were new to MMOs (as MMO's were pretty new in general) so some higher up probably said that without thinking. 

 Also they couldn't expect a "WoW" because WoW wasn't out until a couple years after. No game wil last last forever, we all know that and SE clearly knows that. Not sure why you are even bothering to bring up such a silly thing.

 from what ive played of FFXI's endgame (played since jan. 05) there is just as much of a WANT for headsets then there is on any MMO. FFXI has alot of difficult and time consuming endgame that takes quite a bit of pre-planning and learning to accomplish. Some events like say Dynamis are a bit slower and are much more doable (if set up before hand) without  everyone having headsets, but things like Salvage, where you need to decide what drops go to who quickly and things can get out of hand very easly, it feels almost nessicary to uses VC. 

 The thing is most games don't NEED built in communication, but it's defnitly a want amont the endgame crowd. Before then there is almost no need for it. Would i like for SE to add in VC that goes cross platforms (PS3 and PC) ...hell yes, but not as a required thing, just as an optional thing. Hopefully they actually listen and add somthing in, but i doubt it will happen right away (which we don;t need right away, since noone will be on endgame for a while) but if there is enough of an outcry for it later down the line, it seems much more possible nowadays with the technology we have (also not being restricted to 56k limit helps majorly) 

Originally posted by Damage99

Originally posted by PhelimReagh

** crosses out Final Fantasy 14 from the list of games under consideration **

 

Microtransactions are deal-breaker enough. Subscription fees PLUS microtransactions mean I won't ever take another look at this joke again.

 

Do you consider World of Warcraft to have micro-transactions?  Why not find out the FACTS before coming to such a conclusion?  Everything in this thread is conjecture as they have said nothing concrete other than that they are considering having some type.

let the ignorant think that, i personally don't need these people playing a game i want to get into. They seemed to be swayed by a simple forum post (and clearly don't read anything but 1 post) and not look up the facts or just read he full thread. i say good riddance.

 yah i wouldnt worry all that much. SE is a giant in the gaming industry so they an probably hire outside offical help to make sure their game works. Like he said FFXI didnt have many problems at all and it didnt show a lot of its game for beta, nor any with expansions. I would much rather have real testers go through the other content for 2 reasons. 1) they know what they are doing and are being paid, so they will be MUCH more  therow (and not whine or complain about features) 2) it saves a lot of suprise. so many people leak beta videos and whatnot these days because of technology and the internet that nothing is really a ...well suprise.

Originally posted by arctarus
Should also ask what they intend to offer for the rmt...

 They already stated in a couple older interviews that the special task force from FFXI (a team of people deticated to stopping RMT activity) would be on FF14 from the get go. They are also already about to sue the people (yah i know its a bit late in the game for ff11) who made a bunch of the bots for FFXI, basically warning anyone else who gets caught making/distributing bots will likely be sued. 

 It wont be perfect at first but i can bet they will put their foot down right away and stop a lot of RMT stuff and much faster for 14.

Originally posted by SaintViktor

Lots of good information. Certainly looking forward to playing. The best information I thought was this..

??Will there be seamless movement between dungeons and fields?
??Yes. Adventurers can travel seamlessly from bright, sun-bathed fields to the deepest and darkest of dungeons.
 

See that ? Travel seamlessly. I'm already sold.

well that was kind of already old news, they said a while ago they would have alot more seamless travel from towns to outside and such. They mentioned that the sections of seamless-ness would be as big as one full region of FFXI (which is quite big). 

 A lot of the info here is a bit vauge. you do get some small bits but SE is always very evasive when it comes to giving good details. This ends up bringing just as many new questions as they have answered.

Originally posted by Damage99

Originally posted by zanfire

Originally posted by tehikk

I'm glad it isn't going to the 360, and I wish it wasn't heading to the PS3.

If MMOs spread to those consoles it'd only be a matter of time before all MMOs did it and we'd start seeing computers become simple facebook and twitter hubs.

game consoles are basically just becoming PCs that have games in mind. MMOs will sooner or later be more and more prevalint on consoles, it just makes sense bussiness wise these days. And now that we know were heading to a digital age where eventually everything will be "cloud" gaming like Onlive, consoles wont be anything like they are.

 

PC's have the benefit of being constantly updated whereas consoles have an intended life of multiple years.  This gives PC's the that sustainable edge.

which is ture, but  consoles don't need to be updated half as much (and don't cost half as much) . Everything is built to work on it, there is no fidiling with things so it cant work with thousands of diffrent set ups, nor is it nearly as complicated to deal with for the more casual people. Of course with that being said a PC is used for quite a bit more then gaming. if your looking at it from a gaming prespective, then consoles win for sure, but as an all around thing, PCs obvoiusly come out on top. Like most things, they all have their ups and downs

 well for one we have no idea what that intales. They said they had micro tranactions in FFXI, but they were nothing like 99% of games with micro transactions. It was all either based on the RL items like the leviathan penent, add on senarios (mini expansions) security token and such. I can 99.9% garuntee that it wont be stupid game changing crap like exp potions or weapons or anything of that nature. For the people above that are giving up on the game based on that statment, don't. This is not 100% fact and its very very likely he ment MC's like the ones i posted above.

 If SE were to put tradional F2P stuff like exp items, weapons, gear, enhancemets, you would see the FFXI and ANYONE intrested in this gamethrow a giant hissy fit over it. SE would be out of their mind's stupid to do what most people think they are (as in the crappy micro transaction stuff) 

also take note of the underlined.

“We soon learnt that there are a lot of people who want that kind of model, so we would like to introduce more pay-as-you-use items into the game. But there were too few items in FFXI – however we don't want to take it to the other extreme entirely for FFXIV.

Originally posted by tehikk

I'm glad it isn't going to the 360, and I wish it wasn't heading to the PS3.

If MMOs spread to those consoles it'd only be a matter of time before all MMOs did it and we'd start seeing computers become simple facebook and twitter hubs.

game consoles are basically just becoming PCs that have games in mind. MMOs will sooner or later be more and more prevalint on consoles, it just makes sense bussiness wise these days. And now that we know were heading to a digital age where eventually everything will be "cloud" gaming like Onlive, consoles wont be anything like they are.

Originally posted by zartan5000

 what's so hard about paying a fee for xbox live? for a small cost, you get a far superior multiplayer experience. yes ps3 is free, but the proof is in the quality. they cant sustain a mmo with no upkeep fees. they can barely sustain modern warfare 2. as for square-enix dropping 360? no big deal, its their loss really. if you ask me, they are throwing sony a bone. most of their scripts will be PCers.

Like people said, its just more money to pay, and most people will end up going to either PC or PS3 when they hear they have to pay for Gold and the normal monthly fee. WHy M$ is being so greedy after being easy going enough to have FFXI on silver baffles me, they even said from the start of the system that all MMOs would be useable from silver. I understand why SE doesnt want to put time and resourses into a product that won't be used nearly as much by a majority of the consumer base is a waste. In the end most people who really want to play this MMO and want to save some money from XBLG will end up on one of the other platforms.

 There is still a chance they will budge and you will have a 360 version, but it would end up being at minimal 6+ months later. You also have to consider that if they make it for 360, they have to work with that systems limits. Though the X360 is great it's from a technical standpoint, not a powerful in some aspects to the PS3, putting even more limits on what they can do with it in the future.

 A real gamer who truely wants to play this game, will dish out for a PS3 or upgrade their PC rig. I lucky save up money and own all the current gen systems, i do't like missing out, especially on RPGs which has been in a drought on both systems, so the more i can get my hands on the better (im looking forward to White Knight Chronicals, which is a PS3 exclusive)

and as for them not being able to handel "upkeep fees" well that actually has nothing to do with sony. PS3 online is only free because they dont provide servers for their games, the Companys do. X360 makes you pay (and clearly uses advertisements on XBL) to pay for use of their personal servers, so the performance is superior. Having an MMO on either platform will have NO effect on how it runs connection wise, becuase its running soley on SE's servers (hence why you can play FFXI on silver)

Originally posted by Draco91

 I don't remember ever coming across anything mentioning at auto-translator tool for FFXIV as was used in FFXI. Are the servers going to be international the way FFXI's servers were? I've finally gotten around to learning Japanese and I think it would be fun to practice with the japanese players in FFXIV, using the translator whenever I fall short :)

i believe that they said at a press confrance that the auto tranlate that was in FFXI, would make a comback (and likely better).

the servers are going to be international just as they were in FFXI, so having that auto translator in there is kind of a must. Hopefully they make the database of words much bigger, or can even come up with a new and improved version, but it likely will stay the way FFXI had it. ATM i dont have a source but it would be a huge and stupid step back to not have it in 14. Why they could not copy/paste that program into the new game would baffle me, but im 99% sure it will be there. If i get the source il edit it in later.

Originally posted by kejj

aOriginally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Khrymson

No there isn't PvP in FFXI nor will there be any in FFXIV!

 

Wow, that will be a complete fail in the west. Even LotRO has PvP.

agree. Some kind of pvp is needed

they wont have PVP off the bat, and its for a good reason.  The main reason is class balancing. Trying to balance between the 2, and this being a heavy PVE game, they tend to end up messing with each other. once you change somthing for say PVP sake, it in turn effects the PVE game, same in reverse. Once they have the PVE, which is clearly the bigger thing by far, they will put some sort of arena like PVP or sports type games like FFXI.

Originally posted by kejj

Originally posted by Halo-Bump

 I'm kinda surprised they didn't go for an Xbox version as well considering they had the last MMO game on there as well.

I do think that they are doing an Xbox version too.

they are trying too, but M$ is being stingy with how the online service stuff will work. They seem to want to force people into using XBL gold to play, but SE wants it to be silver. There is also other legal mumbo jumbo they are fighting over, so dont expect an X360 version until mabey 6+ months after the game comes out, if at all if M$ wont budge.

Originally posted by Kaliber13

 

 

Im definitly gettin TERA. Im not even gonna play any other mmo until it comes out. Unless, dragon nest comes out sooner. The point is to forget about old school point n click mmo's like FF14, and enjoy some action in TERA. No targeting just run up in that biotch n start swingin my weapon(s). Plus its got giant lizards and bad-ass lookin demons and some "Immovable Tower" looking descendants of giants,  some crazy lil raccons runnin round in a forest. Prolly gonna be an Aman Warrior. Named Aumon... get your own name, ive already been compromised once...

you do realize ff14 is not point and click. like FF11 the game was built for PC and consoles, so point and click never did or will happen.

 He is right warrp, characters are saved and created on a server, thats 100% true. Its case by case that you can create a character when the game servers are down, more often then not you can't, but ive seen it happen. It seems unlikely that SE would leave a server  up if the game server is not going to be up for a while, it costs money one way or another, and SE is a large company, so that doesnt make much sense (they dont like wasting money.

 Its likely the beta has already started, which is good, that means the game is just that much more likely to come out as early as we hope. To say that the couple people posting on here are in, well....i doubt it, especially the first guys post. The format and the gramatical errors made that obvious. Others...well who knows, they already broke the NDA, so why they dont just show proof with a link, or a simple picture is beyond me, it just shows its likely they are faking.