While I partially agree that it is splitting hais to seperate them into that many blocks, I can still give examples.

B2P - very much guild wars 1

Freemium - hmm probably FreeRealms would be the best example. Or the more collectiable style games like poxnora or league of legends

F2P - more like the all of these games that started out as P2P but then changed to save themselves such as Lord of the rings and DDO, while yes you can make the case that certain content is locked out making it appear more freemium that stuff is primarilly stuff found originally in expansions. Though I haven't had a chance to compare precentage of expansion to non expansion crap really so that would be subject to debate.

however one thing I agree on is

why in the bloody hell are you bring this up AGAIN?

It will simply devolve into a 5th grader level debate as to why each others form of MMO is nothing more then a big poopy head dummy face, as your immediate "troll" accusation so perfectly demonstrated..

The fact is because of the success of DDO and LOTRO F2P has proven profitable on some form, weather you agree with it from a gamer's perspective or no it showed itself profitable.

In addition microtransaction shops themselves have proven profitable, so everyone, WOW included(yes the celestial steeds and winged lions and lil'ragnos count) will start finding ways to integrate them, this also includes non MMOs as all the DLC debates show.

So in the end bringing this up for the 200th time does nothing but start an internet pissing contest and that is why when you posted this the person you are currently arguing with(and getting nowhere I might add) basically shouted "Oh no! Here we go again".

MMOs have existed since AOL, and MUDs their ancestors before it, hardly doubt this would kill it.

The game looks fun and pretty but I still have the same problems I had when they first announced stuff.....it follows the movies way to much for something taht took place 1000+ years before the movies.

So smugglers are issued wookies and millenium falcons

all bounty hunters are bad.

the republic troopers all where well clone wars era armor.

the sith troopers now look like dark grey storm troopers, when in KOTOR they always wore shiny almost mirrored armor.

we got droidekas and star destroyers in the trailer for heaven sake.

The very nature of trooper and smuggler good, bounty hunter and agent bad is just stupid worse yet they only went over as far as I can see the moral choice system for the good guys havent heard anything about the other sides morale choice system.

I'd love to be a bounty hunter, just not for the sith, they needed a third neutral faction as well but eh only so much game you can get for a 300 million dollar budget

been triyng to find one becuase I'm temtped to come back, I loved sailing in the old UO and if it does make it better then woot.

My only downside is when I quick I had everything in my house including alot of vet items and such, so depressing, but all the rpers I used to hang with moved to europa so I guess not much of a loss lol.

Cry....just out right cry.

That all bounty hunters are evil and dressed like jangoo fett, all smugglers get standard issue wookies and correlian corvettes?

that troopers can only be good and dress like clones, while the sith troopers from the kotor games seem to have vanished.

why we all fight over hoth because it's a major strategic point and not just a place where a desperate semi crushed rebellion hides?

the other main reason why she was sued and the gold sellers were not.

lets say there is a company involving 5 gold farmers. each gold farmer probably has 5 accounts.

that is 25 accounts each paying 15 a month which equals 375 a month, and that is just a small company.

that's if they are not banned of course, if they are banned they just use free trials(unless trading is disabled in free trials wouldn't know that part myself)

so now take a bigger company. Sure they make alot off of gold selling but blizzard also gets alot.

so it becomes a we'll bust you if we catch you but sueing yu means we lose ALOT of accounts.

One of my favorite things I liked about wow was battlegrounds.

how are they in EQ2 and what level can I start?

and semi unrelated how are rangers and assasins. ranged stealth appeals to me.

more specifically fury, mystic and defiler?

I like being ablt to play support in a group but melee when solo so was leanng towards a warden as my next charecter.

previous charecters I played were swashbuckler, dirge, troubadour, and coercer.

gorowyn being evil was always a thorn in my side. to  me it never made sense plot wise to have them joined with the iksar, their hated enemy.

but cest la vie.

if I do betray my cold blooded reptile do I have to take stuff out of my house first? lol

oh and hopefully last question for awhile... is sentinels keep worth it for new chars> er what level is best to get the expansion>?

pitty if I remember that bear from the last expansion was one time online not one per charecter

because I was leaning towards making a Warden isntead of playing as my sarnak coercer.

hmm here is a question. is halas neutral? aka can my sarnak go there without being slaughtered by guards cause he;s of thegorowyn faction?

If it is neutral I might just beable to make most of this work hah

When I return to a mmo after a long hiatus I tend to make a new charecter.

problem is alot of the neat little expansion things I got  that I had to claim are on another charecter.

has anything in regards to one time only preorder items been fixed to where i could transfer them to another charecter.

sorry for lack of info it was a long list of items so dont have specifics.

world of cardboard.

search for it on youtube it somes up superman in a Justice league setting like this.

in teh JLU cartoon superman fans were pissed because he was getting bloown back by simple machine guns.

the problem is certain heroes namely Supes and martian manhunters are deus ex machina, the break teh genre.

they can literally do whatever they want

sortof like why DR strange seems so weak in team ups with a word dr strange can unmake worlds. same with scarlet which.

it's sortof like an odd twist on the inverse ninja rule.

essentially Superman is holding back because if he used ALLL his power he'd utterly obliterate a town by punching one bank robber in the face.

but it's hard to hold back and not hold to much back just as it's hard to put power into what he is doing without to much power.

You do realize that you people who pay the monthly sub wont need to "pay to win"

your given points each month to spend on these hypotheitcal res pots and xp pots.

Originally posted by Rammur

I dont mind the free to pay scenario but only if they make premium or vip ONLY servers for those of us who have been loyal i for one dont care if its free its the assclowns f2p games tend too draw in and if you thing gold spam is bad in p2p games wait till it hits f2p. I want premium and vip only servers just too keep the communitys we have created intact especially landroval server the rp server great community loved it now its gonna go down hill.Not saying all f2p players are assclowns but there is a ton.

Proving that race is not required for racism.

I just love the "we don like yer type round 'ere" mentality

Originally posted by tige1

People assume that if game is F2P then players will swarm it. Here you are wrong. F2P crowd will ditch this game soon after realising that they can't fully enjoy it if they don't spend real money on it.

There are tons of F2P games with no limitations and everything there is possible to achieve without spending a single cent (all you have to do is invest more time than those who are spending real cash).

Sorry but from what I have seen here: http://www.lotro.com/betasignup/vipchart.html I can tell that no sain player will stay with this game for more than few weeks. Free players and even a Premium ones have way too many restrictions. Why would anyone want to invest their TIME into a game which offers unfair terms to different kind of players.

They are basing this decision off of the fact that with DDO people did swarm it. DDO was a success.

Heck tehy are using the same buisness model as free realms and they just had a celebration recnetly because they reach 2 million subscribers.

the hybrid model is working. so that is the direction they are going in

welcome to the future of MMOs and you know what it's not bad.

MMOs are doing willingly what cable companies were forced BY LAW to do

offer a la carte

basically all those monethly plans that cable companies offer can easily screw you over, aka how many of those 900 channels do you actually watch, so ther ewas a law passed that said that cable companies had to if asked offer single channel plans

so in my example I only watch science travel comedy discovery and nat geo.

I could pay a monthly fee for those channels individually in fact with just those 5 it would save a butt load of money.

now if I were to get all 900 channels individually it would cost a fortune. Now the law is funny they have to offer only if asked and noone thinks to ask.

So MMOs are just going the cable company route without being told.

But yea I cant believe they are going with evil cash shops you wouldn't see WOW doing anything like that, now if you'll excuse me I need to go get a wyvern plushie, a battle.net authenticator keychain, a constelation mount, then buy enough packs of their TCG game to get myself a spectral tiger mount.

HAHA I remember when SWG was failing in everyones eyes

and this game was announced and everyone said yay this shall be our salvation, no more iconic classes and all that crap.

So hoth just happened to be coincidentally a major battle between sith and the republic.(aka shoehorned in)

The leader of the sith happens to look like a helmetless darth vadar....

the troopers seem to be in stormtrooper and clone trooper armor not old republic trooper armor.

and classes are back....

and everyone that was complaining about such things in SWG are laping it up now when they are being given essentially the same crap from SWG

sigh

Originally posted by nakuma

Originally posted by Wraithone

Originally posted by nakuma

A Fool and his money are soon parted.

True. But some times its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open ones mouth and confirm it...

yeah,  if you say so bunky.

Thanks for proving his saying.

more to the point.  If  buying something brings one joy, what right does someone else have to piss on it.

You CANNOT after they just made 2 million dollars say very few people are interested. I'm sure Blizzard's pockets would like to disagree with you. Face it they tested ingame pet sales, it succeeded, then tehy tested a flying mount, it succeeded. They will test to see what does and does not sell, if it sells they will offer more, if not they wont. That is how buisness works. Someone doing things the opposite of that will fail as a buisness model.

If I remember correctly Sega was the company responsible fot a MMORTS called 10six.

and it was actually pretty good.