Thank you Moaky07, I could not have said anything you posted better.  Very good post.  You said it all.

RMT = will not play regardless....simple solution really.

Starcraft Worlds Online....nuff said.

I don't play wow.  Try again.

Originally posted by Vinterkrig

 I will tell you 100% why this never works (pve/pvp server)

it fails every time, because to balance the classes out for pve/pvp is near impossible ... its gotta lean towards one or the other, no matter what (and they aren't going to do two patches (1 for each server) its not worth their time and effort

so you are either going to have OP pvp skills, or OP pve skills.... or just uneven in the way where people are unhappy with the results

Then you try to make the most people happy that you can, and my original point in my first post was that the PVE players outnumber the PVP players.  Clucking is much louder by the PVP players so they tend to get more attention.  Most carebears simply wont play past the first free month if the game sucks and the developers wont discover this until they put out a worthless piece of garbage and fail miserably. 

I'm just explaining the situation before that happens because I'm tired of games sucking and wasting money on them. 

From what I've heard about this game, unless they do a 180 turn around I have no interest in their POS pvp centric console game for pc.  

Originally posted by neonwire

Newsflash! We dont have ANY decent PvP games at all except for EVE and even thats not particularly brilliant. How can you say that most people prefer PvE games to PvP games when PvE games are the ONLY things we have to choose from? Oh thats right your making a giant assumption based completely non existant logic.

If you offer people cheese sandwiches and extremely mouldy ham sandwiches then obviously everyone is going to eat the cheese sandwiches. It doesnt mean that everyone likes cheese. It means that cheese is the only thing on offer.

 

 

I will assume by the tone of your last few paragraphs that your part of the loudmouthed minority I mentioned earlier.

I agree with you that we do not have decent PVP in any games that exist currently.  Frankly I am looking forward to Jumpgate Evolution which I think will take PVP where it should be in the first place.  Twitch based faction based combat on a massive scale.  They get that right and PVP will be revolutionized by what they have.  

I don't even consider EvE to be pvp, that's point and click garbage.  I've said this before, been flamed plenty for it.  I have my opinion they have their's and they are simply wrong...moving on

My point was that with the games we see right now, it's obvious that the population prefers the PVE aspects of gameplay.  Purely consensual pvp is very possible through pve and pvp servers.  Grant the carebears the use of a server where the PVP works exactly as you stated so viciously and the problem is solved for everyone.  Carebears are happy if the PVE doesn't suck, and PVPer's are happy with their gank-fests.

The alternative is to "fix" pvp so that gankfests CAN NOT HAPPEN.  They do not intend on doing this.  They intend on implementing "eventually...what a joke this word makes the whole concept" the use of anti-griefing code that will make high level NPC's protect you from griefers.  We all know what this means...you still get griefed by the toon that doesn't give 2 shits about the high level NPC coming to stop them while they continue to grief you.  It wont cost them anything because making it cost too much breaks realism and makes it not fun for so many people....ie the griefers.

This is what all the other games have done.  I expect it to be the same for anything SOE touches.

Xia did you read the article or are you being purposely obtuse?  I'm going to assume you did NOT read the article because the alternative is that you are an idiot and I'd like to assume otherwise.

The articles stated quite clearly that the PVE aspects of the game are secondary at best.  This means that all the people who have zero interest in PVP can move on to another game if we take that statement literally.

This is the part I commented on with reference to WAR.  This is the part the discussion continued on for the several posts before yours.

Now again are you simply a troll making yourself look like a tard or did you not read the article and all of our posts before commenting?  I know which I think, but wanted to confirm with you before continuing.

Xbox live led me to sell my xbox.  I know exactly what you mean and this directly relates to my feelings in my earlier post.  I do NOT want console and PC gamers together.

Frankly these developers are idiots for wanting it.  Makes me wonder if they have ever played on Xbox Live.  If they had, they would insure that no way in hell could those people get in their game.

If pc and console share a server I don't see me playing this.  If they are not, most likely I'll play it.

Originally posted by Alverant

Originally posted by Nadia

there will be both PVE and PVP servers

dcuosource.com/index.php/topic,29.15.html

My impression of the article is that they're going to focus a lot more on PvP with PvE being thrown in as an afterthought so they can say "PvP or PvE action" on the box. It's only going to get worse with micropayments. Mark my words, those of us who don't like being ganked by teenagers with Daddy's credit card are going to get the short end of the stick.

This is exactly what Warhammer Online intended.  It failed.  Lets see how well Sony does with it.  They have such a good reputation of making hits...

The lack of PVE content is going to disappoint a lot of people.  If they haven't made PVE as exciting and fun as the PVP aspects, they will fail utterly.  If PVP is not completely consensual, they will fail utterly.  I know a lot of chickens on this site cluck about pvp vs pve being a 50 vs 50 thing.  AoC and WAR have both shown that is NOT TRUE in the slightest.  PVE FAR OUTSCALES the number of people interested in playing PVP oriented games.  I hope the development team appreciates this and doesn't listen to the loudmouthed minority like the morons before them.

Wanted to throw a positive in here as well.  You should have access to the single player game and please understand the first time you play through the game it really is quite fun.

The classes are very unique and some of them are really a blast to play, literally.   This game was just a nice campy shooter when it was live, it's a shame you can't experience the multiplayer aspect of it.  Several friends and I loved to pick a mission and just blow up the badguys in neat ways, was great.

Give the Single Player a try, it has a great story and some really nice areas to hunt in.  I was sad to see the game go, regardless of the problems mentioned by the other posters here.

I liked AC2 and I like Vanguard.  I don't care that I'm in the minority.  If you don't like the games don't play them.

I know novel concept huh? 

Oh and trolling this forum was old news ages ago, try the wow forums, lots of people here hate it and lots play it so you get better responses for your efforts.

Check out Black Prophecy as well.  It's from the developers who made the Neocron series of mmo's.

It's still in beta but looks very nice so far.

Sci-Fi mmo's are hard to come by.

I so miss earth and beyond.  Here's hoping Jumpgate Evolution is what I've been waiting on.

Eve left me meh, it just was not fun.

After AoC and WAR being the craptastic games they are, there is no way in hell I would pay another 50+ bucks to play a game without a free trial.

Game developers should thanks Failcom and Mythic for destroying so many peoples belief in a good game after beta mentality.  So much crap has been pushed on the public nobody trusts developers to do anything but produce garbage until the first few content patches have come out.

They offer a free trial they "might" get my business.  My friend asked me about pre-ordering and I laughed.  No way in HELL I'll ever pre-order another MMO.  Screw that been burned too much.

This would be a good interview if statements were not that are just simply false.

JGC has had features for almost a decade that the other games implemented later.  JGC has made many innovations that today's MMO's hope to achieve or lie about and fail to deliver.

I'm hoping Jumpgate Evolution does as good of a job as Jump Gate or JGC as it's now called did when it came out.

Rogue has it right on the head.  JGC has had medals for in game achievements for years and years.  They aren't taking anything from other games, they had this in their game years before the ones mentioned.

Would be nice to see credit given where deserved.

If the first 2 weeks are boring as hell, you don't want to 'get' EvE because you've realized that EvE sucks.

I sure as hell didn't want to pay for it after being that bored.

If you want instant gratification, then you will not like this game.

If you like paying money to be sub-par for extremely long periods of time.  If you want a game that will let you NEVER EVER catch up to the folks who've been playing prior to you, regardless of how much effort you put in, EvE may be for you.

The community was why I left EvE.  You folks keep saying how great everyone is.  I spent 2 weeks in game and saw one asshole after another in chat.  Evidently none of you were playing and all of them were...or this is all just bs pushed by fanbois.

The game is beautiful.  But that's the only thing I can say good about it.  Gameplay was boring as hell.  Travel times were longer than was fun.  Missions / PVE content =- boring as hell.

If you like PVE don't bother with EvE

Reasons to Buy

1. Combat is FUN...i know novel concept but they got it right.
2. First 20 levels of the game are a really well laid out, fun experience.

Reasons Not to Buy

1.  After lvl 20, pointless grind and not fun.
2. Rediculous number of bugs
3. Itemization....they still don't have it right.  This should be done before beta...not 6 months after production...idiots.
4. Company that lies to your face should not be paid
5. ZERO CUSTOMER SERVICE
6. ABUSIVE forum staff
7. ZERO CUSTOMER SERVICE
8. ZERO CUSTOMER SERVICE

If you group with another person it cuts your experience points on everything you do by more than half.  There is not bonus your just lose half the xp for doing whatever.  It's more efficient to solo everything.  Much faster too.

It's not really a group oriented game.  You can solo to 80 more than twice as fast as you could duo to 80 because your losing so much XP by grouping.

Rav that is why my wife and I left the game.  It penalizes you for grouping.  Dumbest thing I've ever seen in an MMO.