Originally posted by mpking3

I saw the name " Guild Wars 2"  So long before a and wanted to try, then i found its still at develop process,  I always kept it touch with news on this game and waiting to see a DATE OF RELEASE.  

 

Now I feel Bullshit waiting for this, These people announced this  shit too early ,  

 I WANT TO PLAY THIS RIGHT NOW!!!!

Because rushing releases always turn out so well.  Do you know anything about game development or marketing?  I would much rather wait for a good game than get some instant gratification from a crap game release.

There used to do that with in-game voice chat.

Originally posted by The_Grump

Horusra, you seem to have a head on your shoulders and know something more than many of us do about the way add-ons work. Any idiot can post about add-ons not being able to do something because they are a particular type of file, really superficial information and seemingly given by rote. Conversely, most any player can say that add-ons have something to do with it and yet not know how. Since you seem to know a bit more about what's going on than many of us, why don't you open a thread and explain to us what you think is going on along with links to some helpful information? This would do us all a great service.

Just like any "idiot" can come on these boards and call other people idiots, when many of us are not.  With the evolution of malicious activity I am sure that there are probably people developing ways to take advantage of every opportunity, including Lua.  My point was that it is typically an included executable or DLL that is triggered by the user or the add-on to infect a system, rather than embedding a virus or Trojan in the mod code itself.  There is enough information and talk about this stuff everywhere you look if you play WoW that there is no reason whatsoever for someone not to know how to look in the add-on folder to see what is there.

Originally posted by Sauronas

There's two possible reasons.  #1 addons.  #2 wow players are newbs.

You can not get compromised by add-ons unless there is an executable included that you or the add-on runs.  If you install them manually and pay attention to what is in the file, this will never happen.  Lua files can not contain viruses or Trojans, and they can not steal your log-in information because they are initialized after you log into the game.

Originally posted by Regomar

Companies who want SERIOUS beta testers that arent just looking for a preview of the game will HIRE REAL beta testers.  Free testers like the people in this thread are more often used for testing server load and making sure things dont break in half when a moderate amount of people log in and start doing things. 

Lets face it, the public beta system is and has been a joke for a long time.  In the vast majority of games beta has become a way to interest new players, not a way to test the game.  If they actually get ANY testing out of the public beta other than load testing, thats great!  But expecting people to do quality work for free who arent just looking for a preview?  Thats asking an awful lot from the average player.

Unfortunately many developers are not going to pay mass amounts of beta testers in later stages.  I totally agree with you that the beta system is a joke.  It is sad too, because that makes it harder for those of us who take testing games seriously.

Originally posted by Raxeon

 dont know why your preaching your not going to change the fact people are saying it : )

I already admitted to realizing that point in an earlier post.  I started out by just wanting to point out the fact but it turned into more of an issue than I intended. 

Originally posted by Elidien

Funny...the person criticizing the discussion about download speeds links the NDA to discuss breaking the NDA.....hmm, isn't linking the NDA a declaration you are in beta and therefore a violation of the NDA? Just saying...

First, it is not necessarily the download links I am talking about, but the fact that people are talking about getting into beta, which is one of the capitalized sections in the agreement.  As for linking the Beta Tester Agreement, it is publicly available on the Square Enix website in the support center.

Originally posted by Ilvion

I'd say this is more about a disrigard of an insigificant rule. Still it is an agreement and if you break it you break it I guess, don't see any harsh punishment needed for it though xD

And most people do break small rules and agreements everyday, I mean some arn't just made for keeping ^^

The download is almost nonexistance anyways so I can't really say anything about it, since it's not there! ;)

I am not talking about trying to get people punished.  I am simply pointing out how much of this discussion is breaking the NDA even by talking about being in beta.  If anyone actually read the Beta Tester Agreement, which is the FIRST thing you need to do before applying for beta, they would know the rules.  The fact that people are then sitting here breaking one of SE's highlighted rules in the agreement goes to show that people either did not read it or they do not care about the rules.  In my experience, many people who fall into either of those categories are not truly interested in contributing to testing but just want a free preview of the game before anybody else.  This is a big point to those in game development and who are serious testers because it slows down the process.

It is called respect and integrity; you agree to do something and you do it.  I know it is a lot to ask of people in the online community but believe me, many people do feel this way about the things that they do with their lives.

Originally posted by Raxeon

Originally posted by teknician

Originally posted by Raxeon

Originally posted by teknician

Originally posted by fyerwall

Originally posted by Raxeon

Originally posted by teknician

Originally posted by Valdos

Originally posted by teknician

I am curious how a lot of this discussion is not breaking the NDA.  Unless I am reading it incorrectly, even mentioning that you are in beta is against the Beta Tester Agreement.

 

 

How would they know who you are anyway ?

First of all, you would be surprised at how many people use the same screen names.  Second, that is not the point.  It is about following the rules when you are given the opportunity to participate in testing.  Of course I do realize that it is probably a difficult task for many to actually do what they are supposed to.

My point here is not that individuals are breaking the NDA, but that there are NDA breaking discussions going on in general.

 so what there only discussing client download speeds

Also, depending on the company and the contect of the NDA, you can mention that you are in a beta as well as things such as download speeds without it being considered a breach of NDA. Some companies only care if you mention the actual in game experience or beta forum material.

But, even if the company allows it, some sites may have a strict 'No ANYTHING beta' policy in place, where they don't even want people to make mention of being in beta or alluding to it. 

Make what you will of it, but what I see is don't discuss beta outside of beta.

 

http://support.na.square-enix.com/rule.php?id=902&la=1&tag=memtester

2.6 Beta Tester's Confidentiality Obligations
"Confidential Information" shall mean (a) any and all information relating to or contained in the Products, Software, Documentation, or other materials supplied to Beta Tester by Company in connection with the Beta Testing, including, without limitation, information relating to the performance, conditions, capabilities, and contents of the Products and Software, methods of reporting and conducting, modification schedule, modification process and its progress in the Beta Testing, AND RECIPIENT'S FEEDBACK, OPINIONS, SUGGESTIONS, AND COMMENTS (POSITIVE AND/OR NEGATIVE) REGARDING THE PRODUCT AND THE SOFTWARE, (b) the existence and the terms of this Agreement, (c) the Square Enix ID and password used by Beta Tester, or by any other Beta Tester, (d) THE IDENTITY OF BETA TESTER AND THE FACT THAT BETA TESTER IS PARTICIPATING IN THE BETA TEST, and (e) any and all information relating to the future or proposed products, services, or business operations of Company. Confidential Information includes, without limitation, all such information disclosed to Beta Tester prior to the execution of this Agreement. Beta Tester acknowledges and agrees that the Confidential Information constitutes valuable trade secrets of Company and (subject to the other terms of this Section 2.6) agrees to keep Confidential all Confidential Information, and only use Confidential Information in connection with Beta Tester's participation in the Beta Test.
Beta Tester shall not disclose, publish, distribute, transmit, post, or otherwise make available, directly or indirectly, any Confidential Information to Others. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU MAY NOT POST OR PUBLISH IN ANY WAY YOUR EXPERIENCE IN THE BETA TEST OR YOUR OPINION OF THE NON-RETAIL VERSION OF FINAL FANTASY XIV ONLINE.

 

And as for the comments about the fact that the discussions are just about the download- if you are in beta, why not discuss this in the beta forums?

 i can downlaod the client with out being in the beta SO. meh it doesnt mean they are in the beta if there downloading it and saying it has crappy speeds. but who gives a F about if there in it or not

Sorry, I could have sworn that this thread was about being in beta.  Why would you need to download the beta client unless you are in beta?

 if you do get an invite then you dont have to worry about downloading it

I admit that I do see your point about the download.  But that still does not change the fact that the majority of this thread is people breaking the NDA by talking about being in beta.  I suppose it really does not matter much because people will do it regardless of the rules and most likely nothing will be done about it.  I just think it is interesting, that is all.

Originally posted by Raxeon

Originally posted by teknician

Originally posted by fyerwall

Originally posted by Raxeon

Originally posted by teknician

Originally posted by Valdos

Originally posted by teknician

I am curious how a lot of this discussion is not breaking the NDA.  Unless I am reading it incorrectly, even mentioning that you are in beta is against the Beta Tester Agreement.

 

 

How would they know who you are anyway ?

First of all, you would be surprised at how many people use the same screen names.  Second, that is not the point.  It is about following the rules when you are given the opportunity to participate in testing.  Of course I do realize that it is probably a difficult task for many to actually do what they are supposed to.

My point here is not that individuals are breaking the NDA, but that there are NDA breaking discussions going on in general.

 so what there only discussing client download speeds

Also, depending on the company and the contect of the NDA, you can mention that you are in a beta as well as things such as download speeds without it being considered a breach of NDA. Some companies only care if you mention the actual in game experience or beta forum material.

But, even if the company allows it, some sites may have a strict 'No ANYTHING beta' policy in place, where they don't even want people to make mention of being in beta or alluding to it. 

Make what you will of it, but what I see is don't discuss beta outside of beta.

 

http://support.na.square-enix.com/rule.php?id=902&la=1&tag=memtester

2.6 Beta Tester's Confidentiality Obligations
"Confidential Information" shall mean (a) any and all information relating to or contained in the Products, Software, Documentation, or other materials supplied to Beta Tester by Company in connection with the Beta Testing, including, without limitation, information relating to the performance, conditions, capabilities, and contents of the Products and Software, methods of reporting and conducting, modification schedule, modification process and its progress in the Beta Testing, AND RECIPIENT'S FEEDBACK, OPINIONS, SUGGESTIONS, AND COMMENTS (POSITIVE AND/OR NEGATIVE) REGARDING THE PRODUCT AND THE SOFTWARE, (b) the existence and the terms of this Agreement, (c) the Square Enix ID and password used by Beta Tester, or by any other Beta Tester, (d) THE IDENTITY OF BETA TESTER AND THE FACT THAT BETA TESTER IS PARTICIPATING IN THE BETA TEST, and (e) any and all information relating to the future or proposed products, services, or business operations of Company. Confidential Information includes, without limitation, all such information disclosed to Beta Tester prior to the execution of this Agreement. Beta Tester acknowledges and agrees that the Confidential Information constitutes valuable trade secrets of Company and (subject to the other terms of this Section 2.6) agrees to keep Confidential all Confidential Information, and only use Confidential Information in connection with Beta Tester's participation in the Beta Test.
Beta Tester shall not disclose, publish, distribute, transmit, post, or otherwise make available, directly or indirectly, any Confidential Information to Others. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU MAY NOT POST OR PUBLISH IN ANY WAY YOUR EXPERIENCE IN THE BETA TEST OR YOUR OPINION OF THE NON-RETAIL VERSION OF FINAL FANTASY XIV ONLINE.

 

And as for the comments about the fact that the discussions are just about the download- if you are in beta, why not discuss this in the beta forums?

 i can downlaod the client with out being in the beta SO. meh it doesnt mean they are in the beta if there downloading it and saying it has crappy speeds. but who gives a F about if there in it or not

Sorry, I could have sworn that this thread was about being in beta.  Why would you need to download the beta client unless you are in beta?

Originally posted by fyerwall

Originally posted by Raxeon

Originally posted by teknician

Originally posted by Valdos

Originally posted by teknician

I am curious how a lot of this discussion is not breaking the NDA.  Unless I am reading it incorrectly, even mentioning that you are in beta is against the Beta Tester Agreement.

 

 

How would they know who you are anyway ?

First of all, you would be surprised at how many people use the same screen names.  Second, that is not the point.  It is about following the rules when you are given the opportunity to participate in testing.  Of course I do realize that it is probably a difficult task for many to actually do what they are supposed to.

My point here is not that individuals are breaking the NDA, but that there are NDA breaking discussions going on in general.

 so what there only discussing client download speeds

Also, depending on the company and the contect of the NDA, you can mention that you are in a beta as well as things such as download speeds without it being considered a breach of NDA. Some companies only care if you mention the actual in game experience or beta forum material.

But, even if the company allows it, some sites may have a strict 'No ANYTHING beta' policy in place, where they don't even want people to make mention of being in beta or alluding to it. 

Make what you will of it, but what I see is don't discuss beta outside of beta.

http://support.na.square-enix.com/rule.php?id=902&la=1&tag=memtester

2.6 Beta Tester's Confidentiality Obligations
"Confidential Information" shall mean (a) any and all information relating to or contained in the Products, Software, Documentation, or other materials supplied to Beta Tester by Company in connection with the Beta Testing, including, without limitation, information relating to the performance, conditions, capabilities, and contents of the Products and Software, methods of reporting and conducting, modification schedule, modification process and its progress in the Beta Testing, AND RECIPIENT'S FEEDBACK, OPINIONS, SUGGESTIONS, AND COMMENTS (POSITIVE AND/OR NEGATIVE) REGARDING THE PRODUCT AND THE SOFTWARE, (b) the existence and the terms of this Agreement, (c) the Square Enix ID and password used by Beta Tester, or by any other Beta Tester, (d) THE IDENTITY OF BETA TESTER AND THE FACT THAT BETA TESTER IS PARTICIPATING IN THE BETA TEST, and (e) any and all information relating to the future or proposed products, services, or business operations of Company. Confidential Information includes, without limitation, all such information disclosed to Beta Tester prior to the execution of this Agreement. Beta Tester acknowledges and agrees that the Confidential Information constitutes valuable trade secrets of Company and (subject to the other terms of this Section 2.6) agrees to keep Confidential all Confidential Information, and only use Confidential Information in connection with Beta Tester's participation in the Beta Test.
Beta Tester shall not disclose, publish, distribute, transmit, post, or otherwise make available, directly or indirectly, any Confidential Information to Others. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU MAY NOT POST OR PUBLISH IN ANY WAY YOUR EXPERIENCE IN THE BETA TEST OR YOUR OPINION OF THE NON-RETAIL VERSION OF FINAL FANTASY XIV ONLINE.

And as for the comments about the fact that the discussions are just about the download- if you are in beta, why not discuss this in the beta forums?

Originally posted by Valdos

Originally posted by teknician

I am curious how a lot of this discussion is not breaking the NDA.  Unless I am reading it incorrectly, even mentioning that you are in beta is against the Beta Tester Agreement.

 

 

How would they know who you are anyway ?

First of all, you would be surprised at how many people use the same screen names.  Second, that is not the point.  It is about following the rules when you are given the opportunity to participate in testing.  Of course I do realize that it is probably a difficult task for many to actually do what they are supposed to.

My point here is not that individuals are breaking the NDA, but that there are NDA breaking discussions going on in general.

I am curious how a lot of this discussion is not breaking the NDA.  Unless I am reading it incorrectly, even mentioning that you are in beta is against the Beta Tester Agreement.

Originally posted by elocke

 

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Originally posted by SnarlingWolf
Ok, so you say you installed WoT, then the SAME DAY you go to resub to WoW. Considering you weren't subbed to WoW means you weren't logging in, that means there is no way for a program to grab your info. A phish gets your info when you type it in, the first time you went to type it in you found your account subbed by someone else, that means it wasn't anything that came from WoT.

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Well, technically you don't know that. First I went to battlenet.com to check my account and the status was active which made me go "What?!" and then I dug deeper and found the credit card info, etc. They had ALL day from when I installed WoT to when I checked the account on WoW to get the password and resub.

Anyway, I didn't say it WAS WoT just to be WARY as it possibly COULD be WoT. I still want to know what type of java code it might have been and which site I went to, which most probably was a video game site, since that's where I spend 90% of my online time.

OK...there are a few things to address in this thread.  First, SnarlingWolf was saying that if you were not subbed to WoW and the first time you used your login information was when you found out that it was subbed already, there is no way they could have gotten your information because you never used it between the time you installed the game and when you logged into Battle.net.  Unless of course you used the same information for both games.

Phishing is typically done via e-mail or messages, and usually involves the user volunteering his or her information to a fake employee or entering it on a dummy site.  I believe what you are referring to regarding malware is a keylogger.

WoW mods are coded in Lua.  They cannot contain viruses or keyloggers unless they come with some sort of executable that you or the mod runs.  If you install the mods by hand, you should know what is in the file and will be safe.  There are instances of mod updaters such as the Curse client possibly being infected, particularly if you do not download it from a reliable source.

It seems a period found its way into the Cataclysm site link.

Please don't cross-post.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25626184455&sid=1

If it is uploaded you should see it the option when you go to "Your Profile" in the Avatar section.  Highlight the name and save your profile.

Evony is a huge time and money sink if you get hooked.  I played for a while and had several account and admit to spending a few dollars.  I wound up rage quitting over an alliance fallout and I realized I didn't need the stress from a game that I was supposed to be playing on the side when I was taking breaks from raiding or other games.

I think this is applicable to any game, not just EVE.  I tend to be thematic when naming my toons to try to keep a bit of immersion into the game.  The only exception is in WoW where I do admit to having some odd or silly names for some of my alts, but not on my mains.

Granted I think that is a lot of money to pay for a game, but you did see all of the bonus stuff you get with the Champions Package, right?

-Head start access

-Beta access in the future

-Unlocked slots

-Exclusive weapons

-Champion badge

-Coins and item bundles

-T-shirt, hat, keychain, signed poster

-15% discount on any future purchases

And I guess the first 2,000 Champions get listed in the game credits.

Originally posted by acidgod

Am I Growing Out of MMO's? (28 yr. old)

Age has nothing to do with "growing out of MMO's."  You can be any age to play or get tired of games.