Originally posted by Wraithone

Originally posted by smut

Originally posted by Shohadaku

 People really need to get out of this thought that Government should control everything. Government has no cash of it's own. All cash Govenment uses comes out of OUR pocket.

Your cash is the law. If you are unhappy with service, STOP paying them and gather others to resist.

We stopped it in Rochester NY when Time Warner tried to put the limited bandwidth usage on our accounts. We had mass protests, and all threatened to switch to another service even if it ment slower access. Time Warner/AOL caved, and recanted. Our service stands in our victory of RESISTANCE of what we do not agree with.

Socilist Government control is NEVER the answer we want in America.

WE THE PEOPLE have the power. Let free markets work.

Government control is SOCIALISM. Government has no Constitutional authority other then to protect our RIGHTS and our land.

O and for those who don't realize, America is not EVER intended to be a Democracy. Democracy is a scam as it is easy to fool 50% of population.

America is a Constitutional REPUBLIC. A representative Government. Meaning we vote for people to represent us. Our Constitution garantees us our Rights. Even if 51% of the people want to take your rights, they can't as your rights are protected by the Constitution.

Well, atm our Constitution is being raped by criminals twisting this country into the next Fascist Reich.

 

More hyperbole. Name one freedom you have lost? You can't though, not one of you doom and gloomers and fear mongers have been able to.

 

You picked the wrong forum for that tactic. Lets start with due process shall we?  American citizens have been "detained" without charge, without access to legal advise, without regard to habeas corpus(one of the most basic rights in western law).  Wholesale violation of the 4th Amendment(warrant requirements), 5th Amendment(due process and various others) , 6th Amendment(trial by jury(not a kangaroo military tribunal), right to confront those who accuse, right to legal advise...). 8th Amendment(cruel and unusual punishment(torture...)). The very existence of the Department of Home Land Security is an affront to the principles upon which this country was founded.  But this is neither the time, nor the place to continue this debate.  I suggest we get back to games.

I should have clarified and said what freedom have you lost since the "socialist criminal regime" has taken over. That is what the guy was railing against in case you did not read the reply I quoted. You brought up a whole different argument then what the guy was railing against. The PATRIOT act was passed under the Bush administration so it is a moot point since he was specifically talking about the new administration.

The biggest affront to the Constitution WAS the Patriot Act. Where was the outrage then from these same people? To me, it shows these people only care about the Constitution when their party isn't in power. Or they would have been outraged about the PATRIOT act 7 years ago. I am specifically talking about the critics who keep bringing up the "Constitution being RAPED" (which IS hyperbole) but had no outrage when the Patriot Act passed.

Originally posted by Shohadaku

 People really need to get out of this thought that Government should control everything. Government has no cash of it's own. All cash Govenment uses comes out of OUR pocket.

Your cash is the law. If you are unhappy with service, STOP paying them and gather others to resist.

We stopped it in Rochester NY when Time Warner tried to put the limited bandwidth usage on our accounts. We had mass protests, and all threatened to switch to another service even if it ment slower access. Time Warner/AOL caved, and recanted. Our service stands in our victory of RESISTANCE of what we do not agree with.

Socilist Government control is NEVER the answer we want in America.

WE THE PEOPLE have the power. Let free markets work.

Government control is SOCIALISM. Government has no Constitutional authority other then to protect our RIGHTS and our land.

O and for those who don't realize, America is not EVER intended to be a Democracy. Democracy is a scam as it is easy to fool 50% of population.

America is a Constitutional REPUBLIC. A representative Government. Meaning we vote for people to represent us. Our Constitution garantees us our Rights. Even if 51% of the people want to take your rights, they can't as your rights are protected by the Constitution.

Well, atm our Constitution is being raped by criminals twisting this country into the next Fascist Reich.

More hyperbole. Name one freedom you have lost? You can't though, not one of you doom and gloomers and fear mongers have been able to. Once you realize both parties are corrupt then you will see the light. They both take from us, just in different ways.

Originally posted by Kasmos

Originally posted by Zorvan01

 

How little faith you have. They can damage it much, much further. Just keep watching.

 

You really have a problem with Darkfall, don't you? I haven't seen one post by you that was anyway positive towards the game.

 

So we get it, you hate it, you want to troll it, cool. What are you going to say when the second expansion releases next week and we see a large increase in the player base? That they're ruining their reputation?

And what happens when the expansion comes out and the playerbase stays the same? Thinking that an already niche game is going to see a "large increase" because of an expansion no one really knows about sounds like delusions. This is just my opinion, don't attack me for it.

Originally posted by M1sf1t

Anyone else think they should get rid of t1-t3 zones for the DE's, Greenskins, Dwarfs and Elf's and instead focus the player leveling in the Empire/Chaos zones? Very few people level up in these zones and the content goes to waste, especially the RVR and Public Quest content which very few people do in non-Chaos/Empire zones.

After removing these zones they can work on giving reasons as to why these races have appeared in these zones. After all they already butchered Warhammer lore to begin with so why not go further and actually do so in order to enhance the player experience?? Hell they already have players starting off in these 2 zones (Empire/Chaos) to begin with anyways now. Might as well go full blast and ensure people are playing together and not further spread out and that they are not wasting content and server bandwidth keeping dead zones alive.

Are you being sarcastic? Because they already did that, new players all start in the E vs C zones.

A solid year? C'mon, man - words mean things. A game that went from 50+ NA servers down to 6 medium and low pop servers is a "solid year"? Only in the Bizarro-world of Mythic's reality, perhaps....

And a few of those last remaining servers are ghost towns. I also loved the excellent customer service comment which is blatantly untrue. One of the biggest complains with WAR was the nonexistant CSRs, plus they had no power to do anything really. This is the THIRD round of layoffs for WAR and the word is WAR will be going into "maitenance mode".

Originally posted by Wraithone

Originally posted by greymann

Originally posted by Wraithone

Originally posted by smut

Originally posted by pojung

@ smut

Perhaps you should do a study on gang populations and militia populations that threaten national security. There are healthy doses of demographics within the US who are actively trying to secede. A civil war of national size might be laughable, but internal unrest is very much alive and growing.

OP: Best of luck for all former Mythic employees hit by these layoffs. Your most recent patch brought me back to the title and have been enjoying it casually each weekend with coworkers. I do hope you find employment during these tough times.

 

Whatever...I find it hilarious people bring up civil war because they do not like the democratically elected POTUS. We live in a democracy, things are changed within the system, not by going outside of it and threatening or talking about civil wars. Regardless, this is a gaming forum. So not sure why anyone brought up politics to begin with so I will drop it.

 

Again, my sympathies to the Mythic employees, especially in this tough world we are living in.

 

In an age of Home Land Security, such discussions are most unwise in a public forum any way...

Its too bad about the people who lost their jobs. But its all too predictable, knowing EA's past history.  Hopefully, they can find other employment soon.

 

Democracy... wonder who gave him the idea we were in a democracy?  George Lucas?  That people think this now is even more hilarious than the original idea itself.

 

Blame the public "educational" system. Most people have no clue about the difference between a Democracy(which the Founders/Framers rightly feared and despised) and  a Constitutional Republic.

Come on, now you two are just playing semantics. Also, you do not know me so let's not assume what I have or don't have a clue about. This is a game forum so I used the popular term democracy. No need to act like I do not have a proper education because I used the word "democracy". And if you really wanna define it, we are a Federal Republic and a Constitutional Representative Democracy.

As Lincoln said, we are a government of the people (res publica), by the people (dimokratia).

Originally posted by pojung

@ smut

Perhaps you should do a study on gang populations and militia populations that threaten national security. There are healthy doses of demographics within the US who are actively trying to secede. A civil war of national size might be laughable, but internal unrest is very much alive and growing.

OP: Best of luck for all former Mythic employees hit by these layoffs. Your most recent patch brought me back to the title and have been enjoying it casually each weekend with coworkers. I do hope you find employment during these tough times.

Whatever...I find it hilarious people bring up civil war because they do not like the democratically elected POTUS. We live in a democracy, things are changed within the system, not by going outside of it and threatening or talking about civil wars. Regardless, this is a gaming forum. So not sure why anyone brought up politics to begin with so I will drop it.

Again, my sympathies to the Mythic employees, especially in this tough world we are living in.

Originally posted by AmbushMartyr

You forgot to mention the $500,000+ vacation and extravagant parties those executives have had after receiving our bailout money, but that's a story for another thread.

 

 

Your a gentleman and a scholar!  And No, I didnt forget, nor did the millions of other Americans who paid for it! Our day is coming where our constitution and American way of life will be restored as our forefathers intended it to be! Prepare for civil war my friend its on the way, but thats another thread entirely!

Anywho, hope you caught my drift on how I think possibly MMO comps are "teaming" up with big corps to split the bill sorta speak. I still could be wrong on my theory as I dont have solid and complete insight on this part of the industry at hand. Still, a pretty good theory considering!

Civil War? Hahahahahahhahahahahhahahaha............hahahhahahahahah. Not gonna happen, keep believing in delusional fantasies my friend! No one has the balls to start a civil war. And if they did, they will be defeated quickly! And then they would be tried for treason/sedition as the Constitution dictates!

I feel bad for the Mythic employees who got laid off, but WAR was a huge flop. The game is on life support and I don't see it ever coming out of the ICU.

Loving Dragon Age so far.

Great idea. One of my biggest pet peeves that I had with this game is never being able to do most story quests because I could never find a party who wanted to do them. No one cared enough to even help or group up.

LOTRO is actually a very well made game. The graphics are very good, it runs great as well. It also has DX10 graphics for those of with higher end PCs. I also love the fact that they offer high resolution textures for those with faster PCs. I don't think any other MMO does that do they?

LOTRO has something for everyone which is why it does so well I think. Of course it doesn't have millions of subscribers but it is a success and Turbine is a great developer.

Originally posted by dscar23

mmorpg.com's review of wow they gave it an 8.0

aion gets an 8.7?

aion is wow with...less content...

 

make sense

WoW has been out for how long and had 2 pretty big expansions?

Makes sense.

Originally posted by laephis

Originally posted by Erazor01

For those who have played and quit WAR, what do you play now and why is it better than WAR?

 

Aion.  It has the epic battles and fluid PVP that WAR should have had.  Aion might not become the mythical WoW killer, but it is definitely a WAR killer.

QFT! And I am not some guy who never played WAR. I was in the Beta and bought my copy on launch day. I played straight for 9 months. I dealt with all the BS and gave more then enough time, effort and money into WAR. My clan was the best on the server on Destro side but the game was just so boring. Land of the Dead was the final nail in the coffin for my Clan and the server died a few weeks later. I went through 4 server transfers, first was because of launch queues, the other 3 were because the server died and they moved us to a new one. That was the worst, getting moved to a new server all the time losing all sense of community and losing friends.

Grinding reknown ranks was the most boring thing ever as well. Running around from BO to keep to gain more RP. And getting new reknown ranks felt pointless. Horrid performance in large scale RVR, getting stuck on small bushes, rocks and other things. Overpowered classes that stayed that way for months at a time. I still read the WAR patch notes every time they come out and some of the changes they have made since my clan quit have been good. Such as toning down all the CC, adding a second ramp to keeps and some other things. But it was too little too late. Those changes were promised for 6 months or more. They announced 2nd ramps in keeps a few months after launch and they were only just recently added.

If you've just started WAR and think it is great, I thought the same too when in the early game. Then you get to end game and there is nothing to do. So get to end game before you claim it is the best game ever. Also when someone buys a game they almost force themselves to like it. They don't want to feel that they wasted their money. There is only a few servers left as US population is barely there and friends from EU servers report populations there have dropped dramatically as well. WAR is on life support, too bad as it could have been great.

Originally posted by danison

Originally posted by Lathander81

Originally posted by danison

Originally posted by smut

Originally posted by danison

For anyone that came here wanting to know about headstart, the game is indeed fun...when you can actually play it. A LOT of the server had queues that had players wait in excess of 3 hours, on some servers i hear the wait times were as high as 8 hours. So there were very many people that were promised early access that did not even get to play. NCSoft has not said anything to the people that were misled into paying early, nor have they said anything about situation other than acknowledging that there is a problem.  Also the bonus items that were promised for preorders to be available during headstart are not.

So not only did they fail to deliver on the headstart due to their own ineptitude, they also blatantly lied about the bonus item availability.

I have not given up on the game yet, but the article makes it sounds like it's all roses and this point with the current server status I would not consider the game anything but beta quality. Hopefully they will remedy this soon.

 

It is because so many people are trying to play. It happens with every "big" MMO launch.

 

That is not an excuse, they knew how many people preordered. I udnerstand there are certain growing pains with a new launch, which is why I am willing to give them a chance still, but there is valid excuse for the thorough lack and understanding scalability. It's like they did no capacity planning AT ALL.

 

Unfortunately you are wrong Smut.  The planning had nothing to do with it. If you check out the server status at the time you would have known that the issue was too many people trying to get on the same servers. There were plenty of servers that had low-meduim wait times to get  in.  I  like how everyone always has the perfect solution to how a company should be run or what they did or didn't do. If you don't have first hand knowlegde how can you assume that they didn't plan?  Think seem so easy when your on a forum gripping about something you have no experience with.  Think before you type.

 

Actually you have no clue what YOU are talking about. I write software that is massively scalable, there is no excuse. They knew  the preorder numbers, they could have prevented these terribly disruptive issues but they did not. I have over 10 years of experience in this problem domain, how about you? Think before you type.

I responded to your post much farther back in the thread. Your 10 years of writing software means nothing to me when we are talking about games. We are talking about servers, not scalable software. So your problem domain is NOT MMO GAMES LOL. Since you did not respond to my post, here it is again.

I never said it was an excuse. A lot of gamers do not pre order so just going by pre-orders isn't enough. It is clearly not easy to approximately figure out how many gamers are going to play on launch day. There is alot of variables to deal with. It is way better to start with less rather then too many in my opinion. I have come to this conclusion after watching other MMO launches in my 10 yr MMO history. It is much better PR to add more servers after knowing the exact demand rather then guess before launch and have too many. Over guessing can lead to closing some empty servers a few months later. This happened with WAR.

There was a lot of complaining for WAR to add more servers right before launch based on how popular WAR's Open Beta was. Mythic didn't want to as they already had a lot but they caved in. This ended up being a huge mistake for WAR as it backfired a few months later. There was too many servers which led to populations being spread thin and etc. This led to server merges and closures which, regardless of the reason, is always bad PR for MMO's. The same people who wanted more servers were now crying that some servers were dead!

Originally posted by Lathander81

Originally posted by danison

Originally posted by smut

Originally posted by danison

For anyone that came here wanting to know about headstart, the game is indeed fun...when you can actually play it. A LOT of the server had queues that had players wait in excess of 3 hours, on some servers i hear the wait times were as high as 8 hours. So there were very many people that were promised early access that did not even get to play. NCSoft has not said anything to the people that were misled into paying early, nor have they said anything about situation other than acknowledging that there is a problem.  Also the bonus items that were promised for preorders to be available during headstart are not.

So not only did they fail to deliver on the headstart due to their own ineptitude, they also blatantly lied about the bonus item availability.

I have not given up on the game yet, but the article makes it sounds like it's all roses and this point with the current server status I would not consider the game anything but beta quality. Hopefully they will remedy this soon.

 

It is because so many people are trying to play. It happens with every "big" MMO launch.

 

That is not an excuse, they knew how many people preordered. I udnerstand there are certain growing pains with a new launch, which is why I am willing to give them a chance still, but there is valid excuse for the thorough lack and understanding scalability. It's like they did no capacity planning AT ALL.

 

Unfortunately you are wrong Smut.  The planning had nothing to do with it. If you check out the server status at the time you would have known that the issue was too many people trying to get on the same servers. There were plenty of servers that had low-meduim wait times to get  in.  I  like how everyone always has the perfect solution to how a company should be run or what they did or didn't do. If you don't have first hand knowlegde how can you assume that they didn't plan?  Think seem so easy when your on a forum gripping about something you have no experience with.  Think before you type.

Sorry man, you put my name in there when it wasn't even my post. You were quoting danison, not me.

Originally posted by danison

Originally posted by smut

Originally posted by danison

For anyone that came here wanting to know about headstart, the game is indeed fun...when you can actually play it. A LOT of the server had queues that had players wait in excess of 3 hours, on some servers i hear the wait times were as high as 8 hours. So there were very many people that were promised early access that did not even get to play. NCSoft has not said anything to the people that were misled into paying early, nor have they said anything about situation other than acknowledging that there is a problem.  Also the bonus items that were promised for preorders to be available during headstart are not.

So not only did they fail to deliver on the headstart due to their own ineptitude, they also blatantly lied about the bonus item availability.

I have not given up on the game yet, but the article makes it sounds like it's all roses and this point with the current server status I would not consider the game anything but beta quality. Hopefully they will remedy this soon.

 

It is because so many people are trying to play. It happens with every "big" MMO launch.

 

That is not an excuse, they knew how many people preordered. I udnerstand there are certain growing pains with a new launch, which is why I am willing to give them a chance still, but there is valid excuse for the thorough lack and understanding scalability. It's like they did no capacity planning AT ALL.

I never said it was an excuse. A lot of gamers do not pre order so just going by pre-orders isn't enough. It is clearly not easy to approximately figure out how many gamers are going to play on launch day. There is alot of variables to deal with. It is way better to start with less rather then too many in my opinion. I have come to this conclusion after watching other MMO launches in my 10 yr MMO history. It is much better PR to add more servers after knowing the exact demand rather then guess before launch and have too many. Over guessing can lead to closing some empty servers a few months later. This happened with WAR.

There was a lot of complaining for WAR to add more servers right before launch based on how popular WAR's Open Beta was. Mythic didn't want to as they already had a lot but they caved in. This ended up being a huge mistake for WAR as it backfired a few months later. There was too many servers which led to populations being spread thin and etc. This led to server merges and closures which, regardless of the reason, is always bad PR for MMO's. The same people who wanted more servers were now crying that some servers were dead!

Q's have typically went away after the first few days or so. I did not experience any Q's today. The biggest Q for 1 of my friends last night was a little over a hour on Zikel server after his internet disconnected.

Originally posted by danison

For anyone that came here wanting to know about headstart, the game is indeed fun...when you can actually play it. A LOT of the server had queues that had players wait in excess of 3 hours, on some servers i hear the wait times were as high as 8 hours. So there were very many people that were promised early access that did not even get to play. NCSoft has not said anything to the people that were misled into paying early, nor have they said anything about situation other than acknowledging that there is a problem.  Also the bonus items that were promised for preorders to be available during headstart are not.

So not only did they fail to deliver on the headstart due to their own ineptitude, they also blatantly lied about the bonus item availability.

I have not given up on the game yet, but the article makes it sounds like it's all roses and this point with the current server status I would not consider the game anything but beta quality. Hopefully they will remedy this soon.

 

It is because so many people are trying to play. It happens with every "big" MMO launch.

I played WAR since beta and up until Land of the Dead launched (epic failure that was). My whole hardcore PVP clan quit after LoTD and are now waiting on the next MMO. I was on 4 servers total, none were my choice. We had to leave dead server after dead server, Mythic would keep merging us into new servers. The game was laggy and it had nothing to do with the PCs. I have a high end PC and so did my clan and they all got lag problems in large scale PVP. Large scale PVP is what WAR is about. But not when it runs like crap and you get 1 spell off every 10 seconds in fortresses. They had to scale back forts and put a population cap on them. Nothing like "yay time to take a fort" and getting kicked back to your warcamp, 10 minutes away from the fort.

Too many crowd control abilities, tanks felt worthless. Too many class imbalances. City sieges were boring and all about stupid PQs. PQs sucked while leveling because no one did them. You can't have a Public Quest without the public! Low populations, adding new scenarios or dungeons for a week then taking them out of game again. Too many stupid Live Events...i'll stop there. I had high hopes for WAR and spent lots of money on it in subscription fees. But we gave up, it was too little too late and LoTD was horrible.

Originally posted by vala2008

I never had one lag issue or DC problem or anything like that in my entire WAR experience and I played on both of the high population servers'; order on one and desto on the other and had two lvl 40s on each side so i put some time in. People that complain must be running the game on old laptops or something...the graphics were not so great so its very nice to see the improvements here. But the reason I left the game still hasnt changed, people at end game will still rather fortress farm than have some decent pvp combat. The only reason i left the game was because of the farm trains and that is it....nothing to do with lag and i dont believe i remember anyone complaining about lag either.

Then you must have not heard them because the biggest complaint about this game is lag. Lag in fortresses, lag in mass scale pvp, getting stuck on bushes and rocks. And it goes on and on.

And I have a top end PC and still got 5FPS in fortresses with 1 spell going off every 10 seconds.

Originally posted by Admin

Ok, those that got the false hope generating email should have just got a private link to get a AoC download key.

Thank you for your patience and have fun! 

awesome, thanks for making it up even though you did not have to! Really bumps my respect level for mmorpg.com way up! I just hope this didn't cost you guys money or anything! Thanks to MMORPG.com and Funcom! You guys earned alot of goodwill in my book.