All Posts by Brenelael

Originally posted by bleyzwun

Originally posted by Caldicot

It seems like the real question here is:  Why are westerners so prejudging towards Asians?

 

I'm asian and I hate to grind.  I know a bunch of other asians who also hate to grind.  In fact leveling up in WoW was way too much of a grind for them... LEVELING UP IN WOW WAS TOO MUCH OF A GRIND FOR ASIANS!? NO WAY!

 

Edit:  btw we are all Chinese, too.  Can you believe we don't farm for gold then sell it!?  We're such an anomaly that someone should do a documentary on us!

Are you an Asian living in Asian society or living in Western society? I only ask to find out where your experience is and not to put you down or anything so please don't take offense.

Bren

Originally posted by Caldicot

It seems like the real question here is:  Why are westerners so prejudging towards Asians?

I mean come on? A gene who supposedly makes Asians immune to boringness? Sounds like the zombie-joke in my first post.

I made this topic a while back in order to try and reach out to our fellow gaming comrades in the east.

www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/178097

I'm not prejudging Asians at all. In fact one of my favorite MMOs of all time is Lineage II. Most people can't see past the grind in that game to see what makes it really shine. It's the PvP that has real meaning to it. Also L2 had the most mature and helpful community of any game I've ever played. What made L2 so special to me had very much to do with my 2 points above and the community as someone else has pointed out. The asian games I've played have all been very social games which is something that is severely missing in most western market games. When you have open PvP there is security in numbers and that is what makes for relationships that far out-live the games themselves. Lineage II is only boring if you try to go it alone like most do in western type games. Asian games are NOT for soloers as a general rule. They are not boring if you play them correctly which means being part of a community and not a lone wolf so to speak.

Bren

Originally posted by arctarus

Because it builds up community. In order to level up faster you need to group, which in turns gives more exp per players, (most of the asian mmo). Unlike WoW , Lotr that makes you share your exp when in group, which makes players want to solo more unless you are in end-game raid.

And when you constently group with the same bunch of guys, you will becomes friends! This is how i know a couple of them and still get in touch till today even we are not playing the same mmo anymore!

This is another very good reason. Well said.

Bren

2 reasons come to mind right off the top of my head.....

1.) The Asian market seems to like games that have a higher emphasis on PvP than PvE questing. They like many Westerners think that battling other players is far more gratifying then killing AI mobs even though most of their games involve endless grinding on the AI to get to the good PvP. The main difference is the PvP in Asian market games usually has some world defining meaning to it, usually in the form of Clan/Guild territorial control.

2.) The Asian mentality that anything worth having is worth a lot of effort to achieve. This permiates Asian society on the whole and it reflects in their games. (This is meant as a complement to Asians so please don't start accusing me of stereotyping like some asshats on this forum like to do.)

These seem to be the main 2 reasons although there may be more.

Bren

Originally posted by Waterlily

Originally posted by Brenelael

Originally posted by Waterlily

Originally posted by Brenelael

Who says that if your playing any of these game that you have to play the card game too or even acknowledge it exists for that matter? No one not even SOE. This is a totally optional side activity apart from the games that they are in. If you don't like it simply don't play the card games.....It is really that simple. Oh Noes!! A major corporation is trying to make money from consumers!! Someone quick burn them at the stake!! You guys really crack me up sometimes with the totally pathetic things you come up with to take pot-shots at SOE. If you don't like SOE........don't play their games. Simple really.

 

Bren

 

IT's NOT that.

SoE makes games without RMT, and promises never to RMT the game but behind the back of their players they do it anyway.

If EQ/EQ2+SWG were RMT games from the start it would be acceptable. But that's not the way SoE does it.

Some of these items are full mana refresh clickies and stats items, it's disgusting.

GREED = SoE.

The best descision I ever made in regards to MMO was never toucing EQ/EQ2 or SWG ever again.

 

Sorry but your argument has absolutely 0% weight. These RMT addons are in no way manditory to play the games in question. They are in fact totally optional extra activities that a player can choose to ignore if they wish. This is in no way equal to RMT in other games that require you to buy from the game item stores in order to stay competetive in the game itself. This is a totally optional side activity that no one has to participate in. You don't have to buy the cards in order to remain competetive in any of these games. If SOE wants to make a few extra bucks on the side more power to them. If you don't like it don't play.

 

Bren

No.

A game that never agreed with RMT, a company that ALWAYS told their player there would be NO RMT in any form in the game, and now they make every game they have RMT?

That was not the deal you made with your players and it goes against what SoE said time and time again.

I say fuck you SoE.

 

And it's spelled "competitive" and  an argument "holds water" it doesn't have weight.

 

You can always tell when someone is getting desperate because they are losing an argument. You know how? They become the designated forum spell checker!!! OMGLOL!

Bren

Originally posted by Waterlily

Originally posted by Brenelael

Who says that if your playing any of these game that you have to play the card game too or even acknowledge it exists for that matter? No one not even SOE. This is a totally optional side activity apart from the games that they are in. If you don't like it simply don't play the card games.....It is really that simple. Oh Noes!! A major corporation is trying to make money from consumers!! Someone quick burn them at the stake!! You guys really crack me up sometimes with the totally pathetic things you come up with to take pot-shots at SOE. If you don't like SOE........don't play their games. Simple really.

 

Bren

 

IT's NOT that.

SoE makes games without RMT, and promises never to RMT the game but behind the back of their players they do it anyway.

If EQ/EQ2+SWG were RMT games from the start it would be acceptable. But that's not the way SoE does it.

Some of these items are full mana refresh clickies and stats items, it's disgusting.

GREED = SoE.

The best descision I ever made in regards to MMO was never toucing EQ/EQ2 or SWG ever again.

Sorry but your argument has absolutely 0% weight. These RMT addons are in no way manditory to play the games in question. They are in fact totally optional extra activities that a player can choose to ignore if they wish. This is in no way equal to RMT in other games that require you to buy from the game item stores in order to stay competetive in the game itself. This is a totally optional side activity that no one has to participate in. You don't have to buy the cards in order to remain competetive in any of these games. If SOE wants to make a few extra bucks on the side more power to them. If you don't like it don't play.

Bren

Who says that if your playing any of these game that you have to play the card game too or even acknowledge it exists for that matter? No one not even SOE. This is a totally optional side activity apart from the games that they are in. If you don't like it simply don't play the card games.....It is really that simple. Oh Noes!! A major corporation is trying to make money from consumers!! Someone quick burn them at the stake!! You guys really crack me up sometimes with the totally pathetic things you come up with to take pot-shots at SOE. If you don't like SOE........don't play their games. Simple really.

Bren

The answer is a simple one. This forum is populated with people who are searching the MMO wasteland for that one *Gem* of a game that will respark their love for the genre. WoW is seen by most of these people as all that is wrong with MMOs today. These are the same people who rate the games here so because most here see WoW as evil incarnate it has a low rating. So you ask yourself why don't the 10+ million people who love WoW come here to bump up the ratings? Simple, they are far to busy playing WoW to even know this site exists or even care for that matter. They have their game so why come here? There is your answer pure and simple.

Bren

MMORPG stands for Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game. What part of that is so hard to comprehend? If they allow Diablo 3 on this site than they will have to also include any other game that has any kind of multiplayer support. This would include all FPS titles and most Sports games. Ummmm.....as much as I have enjoyed the Diablo series of games....no thanks, it doesn't belong here.

Bren

Now I'd like to start this post with the fact that I do play WoW and enjoy it very much. That said I used to play Lineage 2 quite heavily and the WoW hate is very present in that game. Now you have to understand that L2 and WoW started at about the same time(L2 was a little prior to WoW but within the same year). This said L2 and WoW are polar opposites as far as MMOs go. The #1 reason why L2 players hated WoW was the fact that they felt it was too easy and that the game "Hand held" the players too much. This is the hardcore PvPers take on WoW. They also feel that the consentual nature of the PvP was very "Carebearish" and didn't have that same feeling of constant danger that a game like L2 provided. This said you also have to understand that WoW in no way hurt L2 at the time as L2's subscription rates still continued to climb in spite of WoW but as L2 is more of a nitch game it eventually leveled off and now is in decline. It did have over 4.5 million subs at it's peak which is something not many games can claim(other than WoW of course).

Now like I said I do enjoy WoW even though I was bombarded with WoW hate in L2 for over 3 years. I judge games on there own merits which seems to be a rare talent among gamers today. I enjoyed Lineage II for what it is just like I enjoy WoW for what it is. They are 2 seperate games and as long as you don't try to compare the two directly they can both be quite enjoyable. People need to just mello out a little and play the games they enjoy and just don't worry about the rest. So what if WoW is more popular than whatever game you may be playing......just enjoy your game and don't worry about it. You'll find that this approach will just make your game of choice that much more enjoyable.

Edit: Just to some up what I'm trying to say, you don't say you don't like apples because they don't taste like oranges. You judge apples and oranges differently as they may both be fruit but are very different in nature.

Bren

Originally posted by Urrelles

The game is absolutely loaded with quest.  You will never run into a grind moment, which is rare for any asian MMO.  The crafting system does a decent job at keeping you busy.  However, buying items from their auction house may be a pain, because the Cubizone website doesn't make it easy to purchase items with cash.

I agree with pretty much everything you've said except this. True the game is loaded with quests until level 35 or so then the quests become few and far between. After this the game becomes a huge grind that even puts Lineage II to shame. Not to mention that after level 30 the game becomes fully open PvP and the only way you can be even remotely competetive is to either buy stuff from the Item Shop or pay the extremely over inflated in game prices for the same items. Not to mention that on at least one server the Chinese guilds have pretty much taken over and if you're not Chinese you're pretty much a moving target.

I played for a while but these overtly unbalanced issues drove me away. I did unjoy the game until I hit the mid 30s or so but after that it became more of a job than a game. I played Lineage II for over 3 years and found this game to be too much of a grind just so you know where I'm coming from. I recommend PW if your just looking for something to play casually for a short while (2-3 months) but wouldn't recommend it if your looking for your next MMO home.

Bren

Yet another thread in this section trashed by vaporware trolls. About time for a Mod to lock this abysmal excuse for a thread isn't it? It started off nice with a new person just looking for a bit of extra info and now it's just the same ol' tired arguments. I suggest you Mods lock this thing before it gets any more out of hand as there are only about 100 other threads about these topics already.

Bren

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Originally posted by Catizone

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Originally posted by HolyCircle

I've been simply following the game and know that it's in fact in development and there's a game.

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Based on what?  A few crappy outdated looking Alpha videos with the most basic gameplay possible after 7 years of work?
Fact is , based on what is known , this game is NOT in any kind of serious development. It's a hobby project at best funded by hand outs.

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It's probably corrupt or it didn't get the whole file. Try redownloading it.

Bren

Originally posted by Force_Fire

Originally posted by salamander13

Ok so maybe that was rude if you Really dont know about Darkfall ... here is the scoop .. its not a real game and odds are it never will be.

 

Ok...

I'm new to MMORPG.COM and the reason I even signed up was to follow the new STAR WARS game (kotor3) . Anyhow, so what you are telling me is, this is a "FAKE GAME"? How is that possible? Why would this site post a game that is NOT REAL? I don't get it...could someone please explain how or why this is even legal?

No it's not fake at all. It does exist in some form and a few people have actually seen it in action. The problem is that because Aventurine has been so secretive for no foreseeable reason a lot of people have gotten suspicious about the true state of the game. They have proven that the game does exist in some form by releasing screenshots and videos and letting a few people actually see the game.....a VERY few people. Whether or not the game exists in a feature complete state as they claim remains to be seen as they have not proven this by any means. Only time will tell at this point but they have committed themselves to a release by the end of 2008. We have heard this before however so many people have chosen not to believe them also it doesn't help that they haven't given an actual release date at this point.

Me.....I'm taking a 'wait and see' approach to Darkfall. If it comes out I'll be playing it but if it doesn't.....oh well I've got other games to play. These are however the unbiased facts about the state of the game at this point in time. The truth is no one besides Aventurine knows for sure what state the game is in so don't believe the fanboys or the haters on this board because they simply don't know like the rest of us.

Bren

You can switch classes in 9 Dragons before level 50 or something like that. Been a while since I played and the level system in that game is rather unique(Its before the Five Dragons teir that you can switch). You just lose your aquired experience for your class skills if you switch but you need to pick new skills for your new class anyways so it's no big penelty.

Bren

Originally posted by earthhawk

Has anyone else noticed this? Why are the post son this site so negative? I completely understand when a game does not work like it's supposed to, but day after day people post and complain about the SAME topics. Seriously, how many times do I have to log on and see a post about Funcom, or SOE, or any other game/ company that failed to meet expectations. All of this negativity is starting to make me avoid this site altogether. I'm not asking that people stop voicing thier opinions, but GD, please balance the complaints with the kudos.

 

Earth

Quit being so negative about our negativity, will ya?

Bren

Originally posted by Rollotamasi

I don't get it.  Whats the problem here, you  don't like the card game?

I don't get it either. At least most of the SOE hate threads on this forum make some sort of sense but this one has nothing to do with the thread title that I can see. Even if they do have something similar to something in WoW it really couldn't be considered stealing since 90% of WoW came straight out of EQ 1 anyways (The game minus the Warcraft lore). WoW is just a highly refined and watered down version of EQ 1. Not saying that is a bad thing as I do enjoy WoW and still play it. It all pretty much got stolen from AD&D which was a rip off of Tolkken which was a rip off of ancient mythology. Accusing thieves of stealing from thieves that stole from thieves is pretty lame in my book.

Bren

Edit: This of course is assuming that the OP means plagurizes by 'plagizes' in his topic title.

Originally posted by mklinic

heh, now if we can get enough programmer types in here, we might have found a discussion that can get just as ugly as any DF discussion. C# fans vs Java fans!

C# and Java have fans? Who knew!!

Bren

Originally posted by mklinic

 

while(horse==dead)
{
beat();
}

Shows what you know! This is clearly C#!!

(just kiddding ;) )

lol.....C# = Microsoft Java ripoff. But you probably knew that already.

Bren